• Why I have so much trouble hearing dialogue

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 06:34:32 2025
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

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  • From suzeeq@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Apr 24 07:13:42 2025
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Thu Apr 24 07:54:12 2025
    On 4/24/2025 7:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.


    I rarely have issues with the captions syncing unless it's a live show.
    Then things can get very interesting especially when you notice the
    person doing the captions in real time are captioning what they *think*
    the person is saying, instead of what they are actually saying.

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  • From Ian J. Ball@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Thu Apr 24 08:03:03 2025
    On 4/24/25 7:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:

    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.

    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I had to turn those off on my main TV - too dangerous a risk as captions
    can lead to 'burn in' on an OLED. But I still leave them on in my
    bedroom TV!!

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Thu Apr 24 14:57:30 2025
    On 2025-04-24 10:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I'll put captions on sometimes too but it amuses (and concerns) me
    sometimes how mistaken they are. Whoever writes them seems to just be
    listening to them in real time and then writing down what they think
    they heard rather than consulting the script or even using common sense.

    I wish I could think of a concrete example but I'm drawing a blank at
    the moment. Nevertheless, the captions ARE wrong sometimes. Mind you,
    the ones done by the studio for a streamed show or theatrical movie are
    pretty much always right; it's more a case of AI-based captioning, like
    what YouTube uses, that's pretty iffy.

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    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to suzeeq on Thu Apr 24 19:00:48 2025
    On Apr 24, 2025 at 7:13:42 AM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.

    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I mainly use CC for shows that involve people with accents (I have to use them for MOBLAND) and shows with hyper-technical language, i.e., BILLIONS and INDUSTRY.

    I've started turning them on if I'm eating while watching. The sound of
    chewing in my own head-- particularly anything crunchy, like Doritos-- makes hearing the dialogue difficult.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 15:22:46 2025
    On 2025-04-24 3:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 24, 2025 at 7:13:42 AM PDT, "suzeeq" <suzeeq@imbris.com> wrote:

    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.

    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I mainly use CC for shows that involve people with accents (I have to use them
    for MOBLAND) and shows with hyper-technical language, i.e., BILLIONS and INDUSTRY.

    I've started turning them on if I'm eating while watching. The sound of chewing in my own head-- particularly anything crunchy, like Doritos-- makes hearing the dialogue difficult.


    Homer Simpson has the answer: donuts! ;-)

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    Rhino

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Apr 24 13:42:25 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-24 10:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I'll put captions on sometimes too but it amuses (and concerns) me
    sometimes how mistaken they are. Whoever writes them seems to just be listening to them in real time and then writing down what they think
    they heard rather than consulting the script or even using common sense.

    I wish I could think of a concrete example but I'm drawing a blank at
    the moment. Nevertheless, the captions ARE wrong sometimes. Mind you,
    the ones done by the studio for a streamed show or theatrical movie are pretty much always right; it's more a case of AI-based captioning, like
    what YouTube uses, that's pretty iffy.


    I routinely see captions that are based on the original script. What
    surprising to me is it this happens with 50-year-old western TV series.

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 24 21:44:56 2025
    On 4/24/2025 1:42 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-24 10:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for
    those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I'll put captions on sometimes too but it amuses (and concerns) me
    sometimes how mistaken they are. Whoever writes them seems to just be
    listening to them in real time and then writing down what they think
    they heard rather than consulting the script or even using common sense.

    I wish I could think of a concrete example but I'm drawing a blank at
    the moment. Nevertheless, the captions ARE wrong sometimes. Mind you,
    the ones done by the studio for a streamed show or theatrical movie are
    pretty much always right; it's more a case of AI-based captioning, like
    what YouTube uses, that's pretty iffy.


    I routinely see captions that are based on the original script. What surprising to me is it this happens with 50-year-old western TV series.


    I distinctly remember watching the pilot of "Kindred: The Embraced"
    which was a shot lived vampire series in the mid 90s. At the end of the
    pilot the lead actor was talking on the phone with another character
    about a vampire encounter. I don't recall exactly what they were saying
    in the audio version, but the closed captions were totally different.
    In the captions the character was being taunted that due to being bit he
    was going to turn into a vampire himself. That must have been a dropped
    plot line they had originally planned so they ADR the phone call, but
    forgot to change the captions.

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  • From Eddie Grove@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Apr 24 22:20:31 2025
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.

    Here's something in text about the same problem.

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-is-everyone-watching-tv-with-the-subtitles-on

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Eddie Grove on Fri Apr 25 18:21:56 2025
    On 2025-04-25 05:20:31 +0000, Eddie Grove said:
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.

    Here's something in text about the same problem.

    https://getpocket.com/explore/item/why-is-everyone-watching-tv-with-the-subtitles-on


    The simple fact is that the supposed "background" musak is usually far
    too loud. There are also too many actors these days who haven't been
    taught to perform properly and so often they mumble their way through
    their lines or zoom through at high speed like they've got somewhere
    else they're meant to be.

    Another problem with modern movies and TV shows is that they have a fad
    of filming scenes in the dark, which is plain idiotic for a visual
    medium when the viewer can't see anything!

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Arthur Lipscomb on Fri Apr 25 01:51:05 2025
    Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:
    On 4/24/2025 1:42 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-04-24 10:13 AM, suzeeq wrote:
    On 4/23/2025 11:34 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYJtb2YXae8

    It's complicated! Hear from a professional editor.


    I've taken to leaving the close captions on for everything. Except for >>>> those shows where it doesn't sync.

    I'll put captions on sometimes too but it amuses (and concerns) me
    sometimes how mistaken they are. Whoever writes them seems to just be
    listening to them in real time and then writing down what they think
    they heard rather than consulting the script or even using common sense. >>>
    I wish I could think of a concrete example but I'm drawing a blank at
    the moment. Nevertheless, the captions ARE wrong sometimes. Mind you,
    the ones done by the studio for a streamed show or theatrical movie are
    pretty much always right; it's more a case of AI-based captioning, like
    what YouTube uses, that's pretty iffy.


    I routinely see captions that are based on the original script. What
    surprising to me is it this happens with 50-year-old western TV series.


    I distinctly remember watching the pilot of "Kindred: The Embraced"
    which was a shot lived vampire series in the mid 90s. At the end of the pilot the lead actor was talking on the phone with another character
    about a vampire encounter. I don't recall exactly what they were saying
    in the audio version, but the closed captions were totally different.
    In the captions the character was being taunted that due to being bit he
    was going to turn into a vampire himself. That must have been a dropped
    plot line they had originally planned so they ADR the phone call, but
    forgot to change the captions.

    Good example.



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