• Re: OT: It ain't science, Rocket...

    From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Apr 25 20:05:32 2025
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science". That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to
    combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and
    that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely
    to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 16:00:01 2025
    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the
    science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than right-leaning ones."

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01311-9 (paywalled)

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Apr 25 20:18:46 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing >>counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the >>science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than >>right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science". >That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to >combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and >that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    Hey! There were merely 86 genders pre-COVID. I know you're sneeking this
    in to test if anyone reads your followups.

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely >to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 17:39:44 2025
    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:


    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the
    science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than
    right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science". That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"? Nature magazine? I'm largely unfamiliar with them.

    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a
    magic border that germs dare not cross. (And anyone *without* that
    basic grasp is best served by believing in the magic border.)

    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on faith.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Apr 25 21:57:12 2025
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the >>> science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than >>> right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science".
    That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to
    combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and >> that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely
    to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"? Nature magazine? I'm largely unfamiliar with them.

    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years later, have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on faith.

    If you believe men can get pregnant, faith is all you're taking it on.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Apr 25 22:42:01 2025
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 3:19:52 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 5:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks >>>>> [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the
    science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than
    right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the
    science".
    That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to
    combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and
    that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting). >>>>
    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more >>>> likely
    to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"? Nature magazine? I'm largely unfamiliar with them.

    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a >>> magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years later, >> have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They
    literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As I illustrated, different people have different degrees of
    understanding about what "It's the science!" actually means.

    Which was my original point. Claiming that the Left cites the science more often than the Right depends on the science being cited and whether it's actually something that has been subjected to the rigors of the scientific method or something that's just being called "the science" to further an agenda.

    Public announcements, otoh, have to be one-size-fits-all formulations.

    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's
    credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on faith. >>
    If you believe men can get pregnant, faith is all you're taking it on.

    Did you know that, with modern aviation, pigs can, in fact, fly?

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 18:19:52 2025
    On 4/25/2025 5:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>
    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the >>>> science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than >>>> right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science".
    That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to >>> combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and
    that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely
    to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"? Nature magazine? I'm largely unfamiliar with them.

    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a
    magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years later, have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As I illustrated, different people have different degrees of
    understanding about what "It's the science!" actually means. Public announcements, otoh, have to be one-size-fits-all formulations.


    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's
    credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on faith.

    If you believe men can get pregnant, faith is all you're taking it on.

    Did you know that, with modern aviation, pigs can, in fact, fly?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Apr 25 21:10:51 2025
    On 2025-04-25 6:19 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 5:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

      "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks >>>>>   [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
      counterparts."

      "There are striking differences in amount, content and character
    of the
      science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

      "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite
    science than
      right-leaning ones."
      Depends on what they consider science.
      Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the
    science".
      That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was
    necessary to
      combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were
    vaccinated, and
      that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting). >>>>   This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're
    more likely
      to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"?  Nature magazine?  I'm largely unfamiliar with them. >>>
    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a >>> magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years
    later,
    have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They
    literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As I illustrated, different people have different degrees of
    understanding about what "It's the science!" actually means.  Public announcements, otoh, have to be one-size-fits-all formulations.


    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's
    credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on faith.

    If you believe men can get pregnant, faith is all you're taking it on.

    Did you know that, with modern aviation, pigs can, in fact, fly?


    Pigs have been able to fly for centuries; it has nothing to do with
    modern aviation. Pigs could have been (and maybe were) carried aloft in
    hot air balloons in centuries past. Gunpowder is believed to have first
    been discovered in China many centuries ago when a pig sty containing
    all the ingredients in gunpowder was somehow ignited. (I'm picturing a
    Chinese farmer hearing a strange noise from his pig sty one night going
    to check it out; since it's dark, he lights a torch so that he can see.
    A spark from his torch ignites the gunpowder and KABOOM.) I feel sure
    any pigs in the pig sty went flying at that moment.

    But men still can't get pregnant and never have been. (I won't say they
    never will because science may find a way to do it someday.) Merely
    redefining women as men, calling them "trans-men" and then noting that
    these "men" are pregnant is mere sophistry.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 25 22:20:22 2025
    On 4/25/2025 6:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 3:19:52 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 5:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks >>>>>> [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing >>>>>> counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the
    science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than
    right-leaning ones."

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the >>>>> science".
    That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to
    combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and
    that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting). >>>>>
    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more >>>>> likely
    to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"? Nature magazine? I'm largely unfamiliar with them. >>>>
    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and not a >>>> magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years later,
    have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They >>> literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As I illustrated, different people have different degrees of
    understanding about what "It's the science!" actually means.

    Which was my original point. Claiming that the Left cites the science more often than the Right depends on the science being cited and whether it's actually something that has been subjected to the rigors of the scientific method or something that's just being called "the science" to further an agenda.
    ...

    I'm satisfied that the majority of published science is "above board".
    When -- and how -- it's cited by politicians is what's at issue here
    ...and if you think pols on the Right actually distrust science more
    than those on the Left do, I think you're grasping at straws.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri Apr 25 22:28:33 2025
    On 4/25/2025 9:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-04-25 6:19 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 4/25/2025 5:57 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 2:39:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 4/25/2025 4:05 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig"
    <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

      "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks >>>>>>   [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing >>>>>>   counterparts."

      "There are striking differences in amount, content and character >>>>>> of the
      science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

      "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite
    science than
      right-leaning ones."
      Depends on what they consider science.
      Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was
    "the science".
      That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was
    necessary to
      combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were
    vaccinated, and
      that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and
    counting).
      This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're
    more likely
      to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    Who is "the crew"?  Nature magazine?  I'm largely unfamiliar with them. >>>>
    Meanwhile, anyone with a basic grasp of science will know that "six
    feet' is a threshold for an arbitrary likelihood of contagion, and
    not a
    magic border that germs dare not cross.

    Not the point. We were told it was "the science" and only now, years
    later,
    have the officials who told us that admitted that they made it up. They
    literally just pulled the number out of their asses.

    As I illustrated, different people have different degrees of
    understanding about what "It's the science!" actually means.  Public
    announcements, otoh, have to be one-size-fits-all formulations.


    As for this being an "own", what *I* take from it (and I do think it's >>>> credible) is that the Left public is less prone to take things on
    faith.

    If you believe men can get pregnant, faith is all you're taking it on.

    Did you know that, with modern aviation, pigs can, in fact, fly?


    Pigs have been able to fly for centuries; it has nothing to do with
    modern aviation. Pigs could have been (and maybe were) carried aloft in
    hot air balloons in centuries past. Gunpowder is believed to have first
    been discovered in China many centuries ago when a pig sty containing
    all the ingredients in gunpowder was somehow ignited. (I'm picturing a Chinese farmer hearing a strange noise from his pig sty one night going
    to check it out; since it's dark, he lights a torch so that he can see.
    A spark from his torch ignites the gunpowder and KABOOM.) I feel sure
    any pigs in the pig sty went flying at that moment.

    But men still can't get pregnant and never have been. (I won't say they
    never will because science may find a way to do it someday.) Merely redefining women as men, calling them "trans-men" and then noting that
    these "men" are pregnant is mere sophistry.

    Can a hermaphrodite get pregnant?

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri May 2 04:32:44 2025
    In article <vugpuc$nq67$1@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Apr 25, 2025 at 1:00:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Democratic-led congressional committees and left-wing think tanks
    [were] more likely to cite research papers than their right-wing
    counterparts."

    "There are striking differences in amount, content and character of the
    science cited by partisan policymakers ..."

    "Left-leaning think tanks were 5 times more likely to cite science than
    right-leaning ones."

    I've seen the opposite.

    Depends on what they consider science.

    Remember, this is the crew that told us 6 feet distancing was "the science". >That closing outdoor geography, like beaches and oceans was necessary to >combat the Wuhan Flu, that you couldn't get it if you were vaccinated, and >that men can become pregnant and there are 87 genders (and counting).

    Not to mention "global warming"...

    This is what the Left considers "the science", so saying they're more likely >to cite science isn't really the own you think it is.

    But he sure tries!

    --
    "I am the science!"
    - Anthony Fauci

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