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    From danny burstein@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri May 23 02:08:57 2025
    In <100okul$3oppn$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I think you fail to see the obvious answer. If your country were truly
    to move away from the F-35 then there's no reason to keep them. Just
    sell them to another country that is using the fighters. I'm sure
    there will be many willing buyers.

    Weapons sales tend to come with a "you can't sell this stuff to anyone else" >clause in the contract. We only want those things going to certain countries.

    Certainly true, but if Lower Slobovia decides to
    transfer some of their US sourced tanks to Freedonia,
    what can the US do (within reason...) to stop them?

    Yes, the US can refuse to sell any more tanks, and
    can end replacement parts/repairs, but that's not
    going to physically stop the handover today...



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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Fri May 23 02:20:27 2025
    On May 22, 2025 at 7:08:57 PM PDT, "danny burstein" <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

    In <100okul$3oppn$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I think you fail to see the obvious answer. If your country were truly
    to move away from the F-35 then there's no reason to keep them. Just
    sell them to another country that is using the fighters. I'm sure
    there will be many willing buyers.

    Weapons sales tend to come with a "you can't sell this stuff to anyone else" >> clause in the contract. We only want those things going to certain countries.

    Certainly true, but if Lower Slobovia decides to
    transfer some of their US sourced tanks to Freedonia,
    what can the US do (within reason...) to stop them?

    Yes, the US can refuse to sell any more tanks, and
    can end replacement parts/repairs, but that's not
    going to physically stop the handover today...

    Sanctions, visa revocations for its citizens, ban on U.S. travel, tariffs, all sorts of economic pressure. Usually works just fine when some little country gets too big for its britches.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Thu May 22 22:49:47 2025
    On 2025-05-22 10:08 PM, danny burstein wrote:
    In <100okul$3oppn$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I think you fail to see the obvious answer. If your country were truly
    to move away from the F-35 then there's no reason to keep them. Just
    sell them to another country that is using the fighters. I'm sure
    there will be many willing buyers.

    Weapons sales tend to come with a "you can't sell this stuff to anyone else" >> clause in the contract. We only want those things going to certain countries.

    Certainly true, but if Lower Slobovia decides to
    transfer some of their US sourced tanks to Freedonia,
    what can the US do (within reason...) to stop them?

    Yes, the US can refuse to sell any more tanks, and
    can end replacement parts/repairs, but that's not
    going to physically stop the handover today...


    Most of Iran's air force was acquired when the Shah was still in power
    and they still have most of it but they're only a notch above WWII
    surplus aircraft at this stage after decades without parts.

    They have a few Soviet aircraft that they obtained after the Islamic
    Revolution but I'm not sure they're a lot more up-to-date.


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    Rhino

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to dannyb@panix.com on Fri May 23 00:08:20 2025
    On Fri, 23 May 2025 02:08:57 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
    <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

    In <100okul$3oppn$1@dont-email.me> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> writes:

    [snip]

    I think you fail to see the obvious answer. If your country were truly
    to move away from the F-35 then there's no reason to keep them. Just
    sell them to another country that is using the fighters. I'm sure
    there will be many willing buyers.

    Weapons sales tend to come with a "you can't sell this stuff to anyone else" >>clause in the contract. We only want those things going to certain countries.

    That may be but my idea isn't that you put it up for general auction,
    but that it gets sold to a nation that already has them. Also if
    Canada or some other country has decided not to get weapons from the
    USA in the future then worrying about some "not for resale" option in
    the original contract isn't going to be a concern.

    Certainly true, but if Lower Slobovia decides to
    transfer some of their US sourced tanks to Freedonia,
    what can the US do (within reason...) to stop them?

    Yes, the US can refuse to sell any more tanks, and
    can end replacement parts/repairs, but that's not
    going to physically stop the handover today...

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