• [OT] Did you know that blacks built Stonehenge?

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 11:16:43 2025
    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 18:35:34 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to 'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could understand if they were protesting in India or some African country that was colonized by Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people? They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the wealth of Africa.

    Nevertheless, I posted about all this back in January:

    From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
    Subject: The Extent of Anti-White Propaganda in British Schools
    Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 18:54:37 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Message-ID: <vmgtdd$12eos$1@dont-email.me>

    This book claims that black people built Stonehenge.

    https://ibb.co/Kzx6gMp

    This might be amusing, were it not an award-winning book recommended for every classroom across the UK.

    Other claims made by the book:

    --Black people have inhabited Britain (and all of Europe, for that matter, to include Scandinavia) for longer than whites and it was barbaric whites who stole it from them.

    --It was a black Roman that introduced Christianity to Britain.

    --Most Europeans, even its kings and queens, were devout Muslims. ("We wuz kangs and shit!")

    --The Vikings worshipped Allah, not Odin or any of the other Norse gods.

    --The book claims Africa at the time was a wonderland of various Wakanda-like societies with gleaming cities that were technologically far ahead of white Europeans. Yet despite being so advanced and powerful, they were somehow
    unable to keep the rapacious and barbaric whites from overrunning them, taking everything the black Africans had, and leaving them all in poverty.

    It cites "Cheddar Man", a 10,000-year-old skeleton found at the turn of the century in a cave in the Cheddar Gorge near Bristol, as proof that black
    people were native to Britain long before whites. Recently, scientists at the Natural History Museum in London ran DNA tests on the skeleton and announced that in life, the guy had blue eyes, curly black hair and "skin as dark as can be".

    However, when questioned as to how these determinations were made, the scientists involved in the testing and reconstruction of Cheddar Man admitted that their findings were directed by the administrative staff at the museum
    "to prevent native Britons from identifying with ancestral populations". In other words, they didn't want to give any scientific validation that nativist anti-immigration groups could use to support their cause. So they made up the 'fact' that this ancient man was black. The museum staff were quoted as
    saying, "Regardless of refutations of his black ancestry, once black Britons adopt Cheddar Man as part of their cultural identity, he will remain black thereafter, regardless of the actual science."

    The book ends with a celebration of George Floyd and his sacrifice for the
    good of black people everywhere.

    I guess it's true what they say: When a people are conquered, the victors get to rewrite history.

    "Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth." --George Orwell

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 15:45:56 2025
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to 'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could understand if they were protesting in India or some African country that was colonized by Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. But how do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people? They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the wealth of Africa.

    Nevertheless, I posted about all this back in January:

    From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
    Subject: The Extent of Anti-White Propaganda in British Schools
    Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 18:54:37 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Message-ID: <vmgtdd$12eos$1@dont-email.me>

    This book claims that black people built Stonehenge.

    https://ibb.co/Kzx6gMp

    This might be amusing, were it not an award-winning book recommended for every
    classroom across the UK.

    Other claims made by the book:

    --Black people have inhabited Britain (and all of Europe, for that matter, to include Scandinavia) for longer than whites and it was barbaric whites who stole it from them.

    --It was a black Roman that introduced Christianity to Britain.

    --Most Europeans, even its kings and queens, were devout Muslims. ("We wuz kangs and shit!")

    --The Vikings worshipped Allah, not Odin or any of the other Norse gods.

    --The book claims Africa at the time was a wonderland of various Wakanda-like societies with gleaming cities that were technologically far ahead of white Europeans. Yet despite being so advanced and powerful, they were somehow unable to keep the rapacious and barbaric whites from overrunning them, taking
    everything the black Africans had, and leaving them all in poverty.

    It cites "Cheddar Man", a 10,000-year-old skeleton found at the turn of the century in a cave in the Cheddar Gorge near Bristol, as proof that black people were native to Britain long before whites. Recently, scientists at the Natural History Museum in London ran DNA tests on the skeleton and announced that in life, the guy had blue eyes, curly black hair and "skin as dark as can
    be".

    However, when questioned as to how these determinations were made, the scientists involved in the testing and reconstruction of Cheddar Man admitted that their findings were directed by the administrative staff at the museum "to prevent native Britons from identifying with ancestral populations". In other words, they didn't want to give any scientific validation that nativist anti-immigration groups could use to support their cause. So they made up the 'fact' that this ancient man was black. The museum staff were quoted as saying, "Regardless of refutations of his black ancestry, once black Britons adopt Cheddar Man as part of their cultural identity, he will remain black thereafter, regardless of the actual science."

    The book ends with a celebration of George Floyd and his sacrifice for the good of black people everywhere.

    I guess it's true what they say: When a people are conquered, the victors get to rewrite history.

    "Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth." --George Orwell


    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies.
    As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are
    NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing
    it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There
    will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact
    forever more.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun May 25 15:56:44 2025
    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >>> blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
    'decolonize'
    academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was
    colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies.
    But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first
    place.
    It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people?
    They
    should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the wealth of
    Africa.

    Nevertheless, I posted about all this back in January:

    From: BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
    Subject: The Extent of Anti-White Propaganda in British Schools
    Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2025 18:54:37 -0000 (UTC)
    Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
    Message-ID: <vmgtdd$12eos$1@dont-email.me>

    This book claims that black people built Stonehenge.

    https://ibb.co/Kzx6gMp

    This might be amusing, were it not an award-winning book recommended
    for every
    classroom across the UK.

    Other claims made by the book:

    --Black people have inhabited Britain (and all of Europe, for that
    matter, to
    include Scandinavia) for longer than whites and it was barbaric whites
    who
    stole it from them.

    --It was a black Roman that introduced Christianity to Britain.

    --Most Europeans, even its kings and queens, were devout Muslims. ("We
    wuz
    kangs and shit!")

    --The Vikings worshipped Allah, not Odin or any of the other Norse gods.

    --The book claims Africa at the time was a wonderland of various
    Wakanda-like
    societies with gleaming cities that were technologically far ahead of
    white
    Europeans. Yet despite being so advanced and powerful, they were somehow
    unable to keep the rapacious and barbaric whites from overrunning
    them, taking
    everything the black Africans had, and leaving them all in poverty.

    It cites "Cheddar Man", a 10,000-year-old skeleton found at the turn
    of the
    century in a cave in the Cheddar Gorge near Bristol, as proof that black
    people were native to Britain long before whites. Recently, scientists
    at the
    Natural History Museum in London ran DNA tests on the skeleton and
    announced
    that in life, the guy had blue eyes, curly black hair and "skin as
    dark as can
    be".

    However, when questioned as to how these determinations were made, the
    scientists involved in the testing and reconstruction of Cheddar Man
    admitted
    that their findings were directed by the administrative staff at the
    museum
    "to prevent native Britons from identifying with ancestral
    populations". In
    other words, they didn't want to give any scientific validation that
    nativist
    anti-immigration groups could use to support their cause. So they made
    up the
    'fact' that this ancient man was black. The museum staff were quoted as
    saying, "Regardless of refutations of his black ancestry, once black
    Britons
    adopt Cheddar Man as part of their cultural identity, he will remain
    black
    thereafter, regardless of the actual science."

    The book ends with a celebration of George Floyd and his sacrifice for
    the
    good of black people everywhere.

    I guess it's true what they say: When a people are conquered, the
    victors get
    to rewrite history.

    "Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was
    forgotten,
    the lie became truth." --George Orwell


    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies.
    As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are
    NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing
    it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There
    will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact
    forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth. E.g., maybe the moon landing *was* faked...

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun May 25 20:52:00 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >>>> blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
    'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was
    colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies.
    But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first
    place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people?
    They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the
    wealth of
    Africa.

    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies.
    As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are
    NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing
    it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There
    will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact
    forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 17:32:07 2025
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>> Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
    'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was
    colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>> But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first >>>> place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people? >>>> They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>> wealth of
    Africa.

    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies. >>> As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are >>> NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing >>> it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There >>> will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact
    forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a *predominant*
    view of past events, then they could rationally reject any absurdities.
    But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are never sustainable.
    E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have documents, too...

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 17:24:03 2025
    On 2025-05-25 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>> Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
    'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was
    colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>> But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first >>>> place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people? >>>> They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>> wealth of
    Africa.

    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies. >>> As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are >>> NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing >>> it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There >>> will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact
    forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.


    Not in moviePig's world. On that planet, anything anyone says is at
    least possibly true and, apparently, nothing can be disproved because
    any evidence you can produce is always disputable.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun May 25 17:38:09 2025
    On 5/25/2025 5:24 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>>>   Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous >>>>>> lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
      'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
      understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was
      colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>>>   But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the
    first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white
    people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>>> wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out
    lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that
    kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation.
    There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>   forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.


    Not in moviePig's world. On that planet, anything anyone says is at
    least possibly true and, apparently, nothing can be disproved because
    any evidence you can produce is always disputable.

    Whereas, in Rhino World, "facts" are decided by 'plain common sense'?

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun May 25 17:44:47 2025
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>>>   Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous >>>>>> lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
      'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
      understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was
      colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>>>   But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the
    first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white
    people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>>> wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out
    lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that
    kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation.
    There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>   forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a *predominant*
    view of past events, then they could rationally reject any absurdities.
    But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are never sustainable.
    E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
    Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
    you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun May 25 17:48:33 2025
    On 2025-05-25 5:38 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:24 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous >>>>>>> lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
      understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was
      colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the >>>>>> first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white
    people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole >>>>>> the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out >>>>> lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that
    kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. >>>>> There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>>   forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.


    Not in moviePig's world. On that planet, anything anyone says is at
    least possibly true and, apparently, nothing can be disproved because
    any evidence you can produce is always disputable.

    Whereas, in Rhino World, "facts" are decided by 'plain common sense'?


    A world view based on common sense is a hell of a lot better than the
    absurdist world you create when you base everything on wishful thinking.

    We've seen that all around us for the last decade or two as men decided
    that they were women - or cats or spirit creatures - just because they
    wanted to be and our legislators enshrined that in law with criminal
    penalties for disputing the claims of these fantasists.

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun May 25 18:15:56 2025
    On 5/25/2025 5:48 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:38 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:24 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in
    the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that
    stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-
    out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>>

    Not in moviePig's world. On that planet, anything anyone says is at
    least possibly true and, apparently, nothing can be disproved because
    any evidence you can produce is always disputable.

    Whereas, in Rhino World, "facts" are decided by 'plain common sense'?


    A world view based on common sense is a hell of a lot better than the absurdist world you create when you base everything on wishful thinking.

    We've seen that all around us for the last decade or two as men decided
    that they were women - or cats or spirit creatures - just because they
    wanted to be and our legislators enshrined that in law with criminal penalties for disputing the claims of these fantasists.

    But you're not talking about a *personal* world view, you're writing legislation. In your example, you're drawing a clear line between males
    and females ...though Nature herself doesn't. Moreover, you're doing it
    with animosity, to punish some people who are already quite fucked up.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun May 25 18:29:32 2025
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous >>>>>>> lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
      understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was
      colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the >>>>>> first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white
    people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole >>>>>> the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out >>>>> lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that
    kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. >>>>> There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>>   forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
    Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
    you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Sun May 25 15:31:05 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]


    We don’t know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the color of the skin of the builders.

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 18:59:27 2025
    On 5/25/2025 6:31 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]


    We don’t know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the color of the skin of the builders.

    I expected that to end with question mark...

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 20:17:36 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:31:05 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]


    We don’t know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the >color of the skin of the builders.
    Gray.

    We know that Stonehenge was built by the little gray aliens.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun May 25 20:55:18 2025
    On 2025-05-25 6:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:48 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:38 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:24 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in >>>>>>>> the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that
    stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat- >>>>>>> out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute
    arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge',
    FFS.


    Not in moviePig's world. On that planet, anything anyone says is at
    least possibly true and, apparently, nothing can be disproved
    because any evidence you can produce is always disputable.

    Whereas, in Rhino World, "facts" are decided by 'plain common sense'?


    A world view based on common sense is a hell of a lot better than the
    absurdist world you create when you base everything on wishful thinking.

    We've seen that all around us for the last decade or two as men
    decided that they were women - or cats or spirit creatures - just
    because they wanted to be and our legislators enshrined that in law
    with criminal penalties for disputing the claims of these fantasists.

    But you're not talking about a *personal* world view, you're writing legislation.

    I didn't write the legislation that says I can go to prison for
    "misgendering" someone. That was an act of our parliament. I am not and
    have never been a member of parliament.

    In your example, you're drawing a clear line between males
    and females ...though Nature herself doesn't.  Moreover, you're doing it with animosity, to punish some people who are already quite fucked up.



    I am not punishing ANYONE. I merely object to being required to treat
    men as women - or women as men - merely because they don't consider
    themselves what they actually are. They can believe whatever they want
    about themselves BUT LEAVE ME OUT OF IT!!

    --
    Rhino

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun May 25 21:02:32 2025
    On 2025-05-25 6:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in
    the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that
    stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-
    out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create
    documents? Did they even have a written language that long ago? And
    that's assuming they had paper and ink to make records in the first
    place. Or are you of the mind that they chiseled these records into
    clay tablets? If so, do you have any reason to believe they knew how
    to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation
    by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going
    back to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to
    have been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge

    You're not? Then why did you suggest the possibility of documentary
    evidence supporting the idea that Stonehenge was built by blacks at a
    time and place when it was extremely unlikely that a written language
    even existed, let alone the means to record that written language?

    ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect.  I'm suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history".

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?


    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    --
    Rhino

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun May 25 18:22:41 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:31:05 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >>> blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]


    We don’t know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the >> color of the skin of the builders.
    Gray.

    We know that Stonehenge was built by the little gray aliens.


    Heh

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Mon May 26 01:24:05 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 6:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in >>>>>>>> the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that
    stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat- >>>>>>> out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create
    documents? Did they even have a written language that long ago? And
    that's assuming they had paper and ink to make records in the first
    place. Or are you of the mind that they chiseled these records into
    clay tablets? If so, do you have any reason to believe they knew how
    to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation
    by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going
    back to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to
    have been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge

    You're not? Then why did you suggest the possibility of documentary
    evidence supporting the idea that Stonehenge was built by blacks at a
    time and place when it was extremely unlikely that a written language
    even existed, let alone the means to record that written language?

    ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect.  I'm
    suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history".

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?


    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable >argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    Moses brought 15 commandments down from Mount Sinai.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon May 26 01:28:42 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 2:32:07 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>>> Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to
    'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was
    colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>>> But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first >>>>> place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people? >>>>> They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>>> wealth of Africa.

    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies. >>>> As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are
    NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing >>>> it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There >>>> will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>> forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a *predominant*
    view of past events, then they could rationally reject any absurdities.
    But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are never sustainable.
    E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have documents, too...

    Or they just made up the documents to suit a political agenda, like they did with the Cheddar Man example in my original post.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 01:32:10 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 2:44:47 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>>>>   Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous >>>>>>> lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
      understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>>>>   But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the >>>>>> first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>>>> wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out >>>>> lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that
    kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. >>>>> There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>>   forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a *predominant*
    view of past events, then they could rationally reject any absurdities.
    But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are never sustainable.
    E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
    Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
    you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    It's also done so blacks and other bipocs don't have to explain their
    hypocrisy when they come to 'colonize' a native land that doesn't belong to them. They condemn it when whites went to brown countries but now that all the brown people are flooding into white native lands, the bipocs have become the colonizers so they have to figure out a way around having take responsibility for that. The easiest way is to claim Britain isn't really natively white;
    that blacks have been there from the beginning.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon May 26 01:58:53 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
    Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
    you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by
    "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy, forcing the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 02:00:50 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 6:02:32 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-25 6:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British >>>>>>>> colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in >>>>>>>> the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that >>>>>>>> stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat- >>>>>>> out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually >>>>>>> believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create
    documents? Did they even have a written language that long ago? And
    that's assuming they had paper and ink to make records in the first
    place. Or are you of the mind that they chiseled these records into
    clay tablets? If so, do you have any reason to believe they knew how
    to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation
    by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going
    back to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to
    have been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge

    You're not? Then why did you suggest the possibility of documentary
    evidence supporting the idea that Stonehenge was built by blacks at a
    time and place when it was extremely unlikely that a written language
    even existed, let alone the means to record that written language?

    ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect.  I'm
    suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history".

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?


    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    It's ironic and somewhat legally inexplicable that the Supreme Court ruled the 10 Commandments to be an unacceptable violation of the 1st Amendment in government buildings (schools), when the 10 Commandments are inscribed on the walls of the Supreme Court itself.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon May 26 02:16:05 2025
    On May 25, 2025 at 6:24:05 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable
    argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    Moses brought 15 commandments down from Mount Sinai.

    Yes, the lost five commandments are:

    (1) Thou shalt not pee in the pool.

    (2) He who smelt it, dealt it.

    (3) Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

    (4) Thou shalt not honestly answer thy spouse when asked, "Dost this make me look fat?"

    (5) Thou shalt not take the last piece of pie.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to shawn on Mon May 26 14:19:31 2025
    On 2025-05-26 00:17:36 +0000, shawn said:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:31:05 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >>> blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    We don't know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the >> color of the skin of the builders.

    Gray.

    We know that Stonehenge was built by the little gray aliens.

    Well ... grey is a tone / tint of black. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to shawn on Mon May 26 14:20:04 2025
    On 2025-05-26 00:17:36 +0000, shawn said:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:31:05 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
    wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >>> blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    We don't know for sure when or how or why it was built, but we do know the >> color of the skin of the builders.

    Gray.

    We know that Stonehenge was built by the little gray aliens.

    That's racist ... the little green men will be throwing temper tantrums
    about you saying such things. ;-)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon May 26 04:09:09 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    May 25, 2025 at 6:24:05 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments >>>being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable >>>argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and >>>the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the >>>thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    Moses brought 15 commandments down from Mount Sinai.

    Yes, the lost five commandments are:

    (1) Thou shalt not pee in the pool.

    (2) He who smelt it, dealt it.

    (3) Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

    (4) Thou shalt not honestly answer thy spouse when asked, "Dost this make me >look fat?"

    (5) Thou shalt not take the last piece of pie.

    I like it!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Rhino on Mon May 26 11:33:35 2025
    On 5/25/2025 9:02 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 6:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British
    colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in >>>>>>>> the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that
    stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat- >>>>>>> out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually
    believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute
    arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge',
    FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject
    any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create
    documents? Did they even have a written language that long ago? And
    that's assuming they had paper and ink to make records in the first
    place. Or are you of the mind that they chiseled these records into
    clay tablets? If so, do you have any reason to believe they knew how
    to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation
    by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going
    back to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming
    to have been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge

    You're not? Then why did you suggest the possibility of documentary
    evidence supporting the idea that Stonehenge was built by blacks at a
    time and place when it was extremely unlikely that a written language
    even existed, let alone the means to record that written language?

    To show that a basis for discounting, e.g., "absurd history" is hard to articulate, and thus, to legislate.


    ...especially since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant
    p.c. aspect.  I'm suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance
    of "history".

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    Did you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten
    Commandments, justified because they're an historical part of our
    democracy?


    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    Because it flouts "freedom from religion", and that scares some of us.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 11:38:52 2025
    On 5/25/2025 10:00 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 6:02:32 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-25 6:29 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
      On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
      On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
      <no_offline_contact@example.com>
      wrote:

      Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that
    schoolchildren in
      Britain are being taught these days, including the
    preposterous lie that
      blacks built Stonehenge.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes] >>>>>>>>>
      I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>>>>>   'decolonize' academic curriculum.

      Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could >>>>>>>>>   understand if
      they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>>>>>   colonized by
      Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British >>>>>>>>> colonies.
      But how
      do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in >>>>>>>>> the first
      place. It's a logical oxymoron.

      And how do they claim at the same time that:

      (1) Historical Britons were black, and

      (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

      If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white >>>>>>>>> people?
      They should be bitching about all those black Britons that >>>>>>>>> stole the
    wealth of
      Africa.

      Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat- >>>>>>>> out lies.
      As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that >>>>>>>> kids are
      NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually >>>>>>>> believing
      it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future
    generation. There
      will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as >>>>>>>> fact
      forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are >>>>> never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...


    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many >>>> people in that time and place were literate enough to create
    documents? Did they even have a written language that long ago? And
    that's assuming they had paper and ink to make records in the first
    place. Or are you of the mind that they chiseled these records into
    clay tablets? If so, do you have any reason to believe they knew how >>>> to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of >>>> black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation >>>> by "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going >>>> back to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to >>>> have been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge

    You're not? Then why did you suggest the possibility of documentary
    evidence supporting the idea that Stonehenge was built by blacks at a
    time and place when it was extremely unlikely that a written language
    even existed, let alone the means to record that written language?

    ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect.  I'm >>> suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history".

    I have no idea what you are saying.

    Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?


    Yes, I saw a headline to that effect. As far as the Ten Commandments
    being part of history, that is obviously true. There's also a reasonable
    argument that the Ten Commandments were a basic set of laws that
    informed later laws like the ones governing our respective countries and
    the state of Texas. You're apparently clutching your pearls at the
    thought of them being on the wall. Why?

    It's ironic and somewhat legally inexplicable that the Supreme Court ruled the
    10 Commandments to be an unacceptable violation of the 1st Amendment in government buildings (schools), when the 10 Commandments are inscribed on the walls of the Supreme Court itself.

    Grandfathered.

    And Grandfather is occasionally senile.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 11:40:58 2025
    On 5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>> wrote:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>>>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are
    never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many
    people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents? >>> Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming >>> they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of >>> the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do >>> you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by >>> "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back >>> to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have >>> been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm
    suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy, forcing
    the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 11:46:48 2025
    On 5/25/2025 9:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 2:32:07 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 3:45 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 2:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 8:16:43 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in >>>>>>> Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that
    blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    I have no idea what they mean when they protest *in* Britain to >>>>>> 'decolonize' academic curriculum.

    Britain was never a colony. They were the colonizers. I could
    understand if
    they were protesting in India or some African country that was >>>>>> colonized by
    Britain, or even here in America, which used to be British colonies. >>>>>> But how
    do you 'decolonize' Britain itself? It was never a colony in the first
    place. It's a logical oxymoron.

    And how do they claim at the same time that:

    (1) Historical Britons were black, and

    (2) Britain stole all the wealth from Africa and India

    If the second part is true, then what's their gripe with white people?
    They should be bitching about all those black Britons that stole the >>>>>> wealth of Africa.

    Agreed: all of the claims made by the anti-whites are an flat-out lies.
    As such, they need to be removed from the history books so that kids are
    NOT taught this nonsense, otherwise they'll grow up actually believing
    it, making it that much harder to expunge in a future generation. There
    will be a genuine danger that this nonsense will be accepted as fact >>>>> forever more.

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter >>>> of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS. >>
    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a *predominant*
    view of past events, then they could rationally reject any absurdities.
    But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are never sustainable.
    E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have documents, too...

    Or they just made up the documents to suit a political agenda, like they did with the Cheddar Man example in my original post.

    "Or *probably*", even. But the point is that legislation needs a
    qualitative abstract basis for dismissing such cockamamie stuff.
    "That's obviously retarded!" doesn't cut it.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Mon May 26 18:08:16 2025
    On May 26, 2025 at 8:40:58 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are >>>>> never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many >>>> people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents? >>>> Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do >>>> you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of >>>> black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by
    "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back >>>> to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have >>>> been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm
    suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did
    you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run
    California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any >> religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian. >>
    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into
    the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to >> Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian
    god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
    forcing
    the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and
    wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...

    "Whataboutism" is a concept invented to prevent people from holding the inventors accountable for their hypocrisy.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon May 26 19:11:31 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    May 26, 2025 at 8:40:58 AM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute >>>>>>>>arbiter of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', >>>>>>>FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a >>>>>>*predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>>>>any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are >>>>>>never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have >>>>>>documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many >>>>>people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents? >>>>>Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming >>>>>they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of >>>>>the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do >>>>>you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of >>>>>black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by >>>>>"activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back >>>>>to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have >>>>>been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially >>>>since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm >>>>suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did >>>>you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments, >>>>justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run >>>California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any >>>religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into >>>the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to >>>Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are >>>supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian >>>god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy, >>>forcing the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit >>>itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...

    "Whataboutism" is a concept invented to prevent people from holding the >inventors accountable for their hypocrisy.

    I looked it up at Wikipedia. Lexicograph Ben Zimmer finds this to be the original use:

    I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the
    Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation
    of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater
    immorality of the "enemy", and therefore the justice of the
    Provisionals' cause: "What about Bloody Sunday, internment,
    torture, force-feeding, army intimidation?". Every call to stop
    is answered in the same way: "What about the Treaty of Limerick;
    the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921; Lenadoon?". Neither is the Church
    immune: "The Catholic Church has never supported the national
    cause. What about Papal sanction for the Norman invasion;
    condemnation of the Fenians by Moriarty; Parnell?"

    -- Sean O'Conaill, "Letter to Editor", The Irish Times, 30 Jan 1974

    But I'm sure he was Black Irish.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Mon May 26 15:22:08 2025
    On 5/26/2025 3:11 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    May 26, 2025 at 8:40:58 AM PDT, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute >>>>>>>>> arbiter of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', >>>>>>>> FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>>>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are >>>>>>> never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have
    documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many >>>>>> people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents? >>>>>> Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming >>>>>> they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of >>>>>> the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do >>>>>> you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of >>>>>> black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by >>>>>> "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back >>>>>> to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have >>>>>> been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm >>>>> suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did >>>>> you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run >>>> California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any >>>> religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into
    the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to
    Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian
    god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
    forcing the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit
    itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...

    "Whataboutism" is a concept invented to prevent people from holding the
    inventors accountable for their hypocrisy.

    I looked it up at Wikipedia. Lexicograph Ben Zimmer finds this to be the original use:

    I would not suggest such a thing were it not for the
    Whatabouts. These are the people who answer every condemnation
    of the Provisional I.R.A. with an argument to prove the greater
    immorality of the "enemy", and therefore the justice of the
    Provisionals' cause: "What about Bloody Sunday, internment,
    torture, force-feeding, army intimidation?". Every call to stop
    is answered in the same way: "What about the Treaty of Limerick;
    the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921; Lenadoon?". Neither is the Church
    immune: "The Catholic Church has never supported the national
    cause. What about Papal sanction for the Norman invasion;
    condemnation of the Fenians by Moriarty; Parnell?"

    -- Sean O'Conaill, "Letter to Editor", The Irish Times, 30 Jan 1974

    But I'm sure he was Black Irish.

    Then he probably built Blarney-Stonehenge...

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon May 26 19:42:07 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into >the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to >Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are >supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian >god".

    There have been parents suing school boards for the forced recitation of
    the pledge with "under God" in it making exactly that claim.

    Why was that wrong?

    The last I read about such a lawsuit, it was filed in a district court
    in the Ninth Circuit in which the merits of the argument could not be considered in court, requiring an en banc decision of the entire circuit
    to reverse precedent. It's widely assumed that if the merits were ever considered, the plaintiff would prevail.

    Seems to me that forcing students to pray or to recite "under God" in
    the Pledge of Allegiance is an obvious infringement upon free exercise.
    A student, not being a wise ass, could consider how he prays to be a
    private matter, or that he's religious but it's not applicable to his perception of God, or that religious or not, school must remain a
    secular activity, or that he's an atheist.

    Too bad the Ninth has refused to take such a case about reciting the
    Pledge for it would have made the Muslim prayer unconstitutional without
    the need for another appellate court ruling.

    It's not a good analogy given that "under God" was added to the Pledge as
    a loyalty test during anti-Commie hysteria forcing children to profess
    some sort of religious sentiment to demonstrate that they aren't being
    raised as ghodless Commies. That's why the argument has been made that
    it refers to a Christian God, as it was generally Christians claiming to
    be the main fighters against Communism for the right to worship freely.

    It's actually the perfect example of why Jefferson's desire for there to
    be a "wall of separation between church and state" was correct, what a bureaucrat might think is an innocuous form of a state-sponsored
    religious acknowledgement that is likely to offend both religious and non-religious people.

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy, forcing >the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and >wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    If Islam is favored at the expense of other religions, then that's an unconstitutional Establishment of religion. If it were being done as a comparison of religions without favoritism, then it wouldn't have been unconstitutional.

    Do you know for a fact that ACLU of California was asked, but refused,
    to seek an injunction on Islam being favored in public schools? I've
    never heard of this type of thing.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 15:27:21 2025
    On 5/26/2025 2:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 26, 2025 at 8:40:58 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 5/25/2025 9:58 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 3:29:32 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 5/25/2025 5:44 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-05-25 5:32 PM, moviePig wrote:
    On 5/25/2025 4:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 25, 2025 at 12:56:44 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>>> wrote:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth.

    There is with regard to the claim 'black people built Stonehenge', FFS.

    If 'history books' were acknowledged to comprise merely a
    *predominant* view of past events, then they could rationally reject >>>>>> any absurdities. But real-world claims of 'unassailable truth' are >>>>>> never sustainable. E.g,, I'm guessing the blackHenge crowd have >>>>>> documents, too...

    Do you know when Stonehenge was built? Do you have any idea how many >>>>> people in that time and place were literate enough to create documents?
    Did they even have a written language that long ago? And that's assuming
    they had paper and ink to make records in the first place. Or are you of
    the mind that they chiseled these records into clay tablets? If so, do
    you have any reason to believe they knew how to do that?

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of >>>>> black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by
    "activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    I'm not disputing longstanding accounts of Stonehenge ...especially
    since the recent challenges do have a rather blatant p.c. aspect. I'm >>>> suggesting we should question our blithe acceptance of "history". Did >>>> you know that Texas classrooms are to display the Ten Commandments,
    justified because they're an historical part of our democracy?

    On the other hand, if you're one of the 'progressive' Marxists who run >>> California schools, you're allowed to force the kids to participate in any
    religious ceremony or prayer you like, just so long as it's not Christian.

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into
    the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to
    Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian
    god".

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
    forcing
    the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and >>> wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    This is "whataboutism" being preached to the choir...

    "Whataboutism" is a concept invented to prevent people from holding the inventors accountable for their hypocrisy.

    Then it would first own up to the initial claim. (It never does.)



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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 19:55:33 2025
    On May 26, 2025 at 12:42:07 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into >> the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to >> Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian >> god".

    There have been parents suing school boards for the forced recitation of
    the pledge with "under God" in it making exactly that claim.

    Why was that wrong?

    The last I read about such a lawsuit, it was filed in a district court
    in the Ninth Circuit in which the merits of the argument could not be considered in court, requiring an en banc decision of the entire circuit
    to reverse precedent. It's widely assumed that if the merits were ever considered, the plaintiff would prevail.

    Seems to me that forcing students to pray or to recite "under God" in
    the Pledge of Allegiance is an obvious infringement upon free exercise.
    A student, not being a wise ass, could consider how he prays to be a
    private matter, or that he's religious but it's not applicable to his perception of God, or that religious or not, school must remain a
    secular activity, or that he's an atheist.

    Too bad the Ninth has refused to take such a case about reciting the
    Pledge for it would have made the Muslim prayer unconstitutional without
    the need for another appellate court ruling.

    It's not a good analogy given that "under God" was added to the Pledge as
    a loyalty test during anti-Commie hysteria forcing children to profess
    some sort of religious sentiment to demonstrate that they aren't being
    raised as ghodless Commies. That's why the argument has been made that
    it refers to a Christian God, as it was generally Christians claiming to
    be the main fighters against Communism for the right to worship freely.

    It's actually the perfect example of why Jefferson's desire for there to
    be a "wall of separation between church and state" was correct, what a bureaucrat might think is an innocuous form of a state-sponsored
    religious acknowledgement that is likely to offend both religious and non-religious people.

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
    forcing
    the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and
    wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    If Islam is favored at the expense of other religions, then that's an unconstitutional Establishment of religion. If it were being done as a comparison of religions without favoritism, then it wouldn't have been unconstitutional.

    Comparing religions in the classroom does not require bringing in a holy man (from only one of the religions being discussed, mind you) and having the students recite prayers. There's absolutely no legal defense for any of that.

    Do you know for a fact that ACLU of California was asked, but refused,
    to seek an injunction on Islam being favored in public schools? I've
    never heard of this type of thing.

    The public outcry was enough to have SF schools back off.

    It's also interesting to note that under Islam, merely saying the words to the Shahada, the Muslim prayer of conversion, automatically makes one a Muslim, so as far as the Muslim community is concerned, all the school kids who recited that prayer at the behest of their teachers are now Muslims and if they subsequently rejected Islam by continuing to practice Christianity or Judaism or any other religion (or no religion at all), they are considered apostates and can be legally killed under Sharia law. Given the number of radical Islamists out there that our government has happily imported into America over the last half-decade, that's no inconsequential concern for the parents of those children.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Mon May 26 21:02:34 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    May 26, 2025 at 12:42:07 PM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing
    imams into the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer
    of conversion to Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge
    of allegiance are supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know
    they refer to the Christian god". . . .

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy, >>>forcing the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit >>>itself and wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    If Islam is favored at the expense of other religions, then that's an >>unconstitutional Establishment of religion. If it were being done as a >>comparison of religions without favoritism, then it wouldn't have been >>unconstitutional.

    Comparing religions in the classroom does not require bringing in a holy man >(from only one of the religions being discussed, mind you) and having the >students recite prayers. There's absolutely no legal defense for any of that.

    I agree that the public school cannot have students participate in
    a religious ceremony of any kind.

    Do you know for a fact that ACLU of California was asked, but refused,
    to seek an injunction on Islam being favored in public schools? I've
    never heard of this type of thing.

    The public outcry was enough to have SF schools back off.

    I'm glad to hear that they hadn't refused.

    It's also interesting to note that under Islam, merely saying the words to the >Shahada, the Muslim prayer of conversion, automatically makes one a Muslim, so >as far as the Muslim community is concerned, all the school kids who recited >that prayer at the behest of their teachers are now Muslims and if they >subsequently rejected Islam by continuing to practice Christianity or Judaism >or any other religion (or no religion at all), they are considered apostates >and can be legally killed under Sharia law. Given the number of radical >Islamists out there that our government has happily imported into America over >the last half-decade, that's no inconsequential concern for the parents of >those children.

    I agree with this, too.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 26 19:36:42 2025
    On 2025-05-26 3:55 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 26, 2025 at 12:42:07 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    . . .

    Several years ago, the San Francisco schools were caught bringing imams into
    the classroom and having the kids recite the Muslim prayer of conversion to >>> Islam. Yet the two words "under god" in the pledge of allegiance are
    supposedly unconstitutional because "we all know they refer to the Christian
    god".

    There have been parents suing school boards for the forced recitation of
    the pledge with "under God" in it making exactly that claim.

    Why was that wrong?

    The last I read about such a lawsuit, it was filed in a district court
    in the Ninth Circuit in which the merits of the argument could not be
    considered in court, requiring an en banc decision of the entire circuit
    to reverse precedent. It's widely assumed that if the merits were ever
    considered, the plaintiff would prevail.

    Seems to me that forcing students to pray or to recite "under God" in
    the Pledge of Allegiance is an obvious infringement upon free exercise.
    A student, not being a wise ass, could consider how he prays to be a
    private matter, or that he's religious but it's not applicable to his
    perception of God, or that religious or not, school must remain a
    secular activity, or that he's an atheist.

    Too bad the Ninth has refused to take such a case about reciting the
    Pledge for it would have made the Muslim prayer unconstitutional without
    the need for another appellate court ruling.

    It's not a good analogy given that "under God" was added to the Pledge as
    a loyalty test during anti-Commie hysteria forcing children to profess
    some sort of religious sentiment to demonstrate that they aren't being
    raised as ghodless Commies. That's why the argument has been made that
    it refers to a Christian God, as it was generally Christians claiming to
    be the main fighters against Communism for the right to worship freely.

    It's actually the perfect example of why Jefferson's desire for there to
    be a "wall of separation between church and state" was correct, what a
    bureaucrat might think is an innocuous form of a state-sponsored
    religious acknowledgement that is likely to offend both religious and
    non-religious people.

    Of course, if they'd brought in a Catholic priest to say the Liturgy,
    forcing
    the children to participate no less, the ACLU would have shit itself and >>> wouldn't have been able to file lawsuits fast enough.

    If Islam is favored at the expense of other religions, then that's an
    unconstitutional Establishment of religion. If it were being done as a
    comparison of religions without favoritism, then it wouldn't have been
    unconstitutional.

    Comparing religions in the classroom does not require bringing in a holy man (from only one of the religions being discussed, mind you) and having the students recite prayers. There's absolutely no legal defense for any of that.

    Do you know for a fact that ACLU of California was asked, but refused,
    to seek an injunction on Islam being favored in public schools? I've
    never heard of this type of thing.

    The public outcry was enough to have SF schools back off.

    It's also interesting to note that under Islam, merely saying the words to the
    Shahada, the Muslim prayer of conversion, automatically makes one a Muslim, so
    as far as the Muslim community is concerned, all the school kids who recited that prayer at the behest of their teachers are now Muslims and if they subsequently rejected Islam by continuing to practice Christianity or Judaism or any other religion (or no religion at all), they are considered apostates and can be legally killed under Sharia law. Given the number of radical Islamists out there that our government has happily imported into America over
    the last half-decade, that's no inconsequential concern for the parents of those children.


    It would also make former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau an apostate
    because he said the Shahada during a visit to a mosque while he was PM.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to Rhino on Wed May 28 04:30:43 2025
    Rhino wrote:

    Leo Kearse provides examples of the nonsense that schoolchildren in
    Britain are being taught these days, including the preposterous lie that >blacks built Stonehenge.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_59qWR2xLnA [8 minutes]

    What, do people think slavery was invented by America?

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 10:42:03 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 15:56:44 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    As usual, the flaw in the ointment is that there's no absolute arbiter
    of Truth. E.g., maybe the moon landing *was* faked...

    Two comments:
    (1) Only on "For All Mankind" (alt history series where NASA cancels
    Apollo 11 after the Soviets land the week before)

    (2) Given how many people watched the landing in 1969 before video
    recording was common that's doubtful. Plus the fact that Armstrong and
    Aldrin didn't climb down to the Moon for several hours after they
    landed which certainly made it easier for more people to watch the
    coverage (my parents took my brother and I to a local restaurant
    during that period to be with the crowd of people there who got up
    from their tables to watch it - by age 13 I was certainly remembering
    big events like that)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 10:55:05 2025
    On Mon, 26 May 2025 15:22:08 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    But I'm sure he was Black Irish.

    Then he probably built Blarney-Stonehenge...

    My mother was considered "Black Irish" mostly on the grounds that (a)
    both her parents were born in Ireland, (b) she was dark-skinned by
    Caucasian standards and had black hair. (Which in later life when it
    greyed she dyed) I'm fortunate all three of my children remember her
    well as she was killed in a car crash when all of them were in their
    teens.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Wed May 28 10:48:50 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:44:47 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Are you COMPLETELY clueless? Don't you understand that this claim of
    black builders of Stonehenge is just a game of cultural appropriation by >"activists"? They want to feel like blacks were significant going back
    to the earliest days of the country so they're simply claiming to have
    been a major part of things all the way along.

    According to the BBC (https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zb84cmn)
    there are at least 200 black people records exist of in England in the
    Tudor era. It is suggested most of them were captured Spanish slaves.

    As you probably know, there were quite a few naval engagements between
    England and Spain in the Tudor era - far more than just Francis Drake.

    I would recommend "Black Tudors" by Miranda Kaufman https://nvdplib.ca.iiivega.com/search/card?id=ee9753d8-5451-5bcf-8643-236180514525&entityType=FormatGroup
    which I've read and learned from.

    Obviously that's long after the building of Stonehenge.....

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Wed May 28 11:00:49 2025
    On Mon, 26 May 2025 19:42:07 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Too bad the Ninth has refused to take such a case about reciting the
    Pledge for it would have made the Muslim prayer unconstitutional without
    the need for another appellate court ruling.

    That said, fraudulently getting someone to say the Shahada (the Muslim conversion prayer) SHOULD be a criminal offence. Because to Muslims
    those who have said it are apostates if they "leave Islam" and that
    can be hazardous to one's health particularly if they visit a Muslim
    majority country.

    It's a LOT more serious than singing a Christian hymn like "Just as I
    am without one plea" which ends "oh Lamb of God I come" and was sung
    by a lot more Christians than Billy Graham,

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Wed May 28 11:02:29 2025
    On Mon, 26 May 2025 19:36:42 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    It would also make former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau an apostate
    because he said the Shahada during a visit to a mosque while he was PM.

    Got a cite for that?

    (Mind you there are photos of Trudeau's parents in Havana playing
    extra nice with Fidel Castro too)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 11:06:04 2025
    On Mon, 26 May 2025 01:32:10 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    It's also done so blacks and other bipocs don't have to explain their >hypocrisy when they come to 'colonize' a native land that doesn't belong to >them. They condemn it when whites went to brown countries but now that all the >brown people are flooding into white native lands, the bipocs have become the >colonizers so they have to figure out a way around having take responsibility >for that. The easiest way is to claim Britain isn't really natively white; >that blacks have been there from the beginning.

    "From the beginning" isn't true though it's documented from the early
    middle ages and there are skeletons of Roman gladiators in England
    that are believed to have been black. (As well as Roman murals in
    southern England showing gladiators - one of which I've seen when we
    visited my daughter's boyfriend's parents in Dorcester when we were
    there in 2016)

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