• [OT] Can Trump come to Canada

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 25 17:35:07 2025
    Apparently someone at CP24 (a cable news station which used to be local
    to Toronto but now seems to be national) got to wondering if Trump would
    have any obstacles in coming to Canada as a convicted felon and asked
    around. He's expected to come to the G7 meeting in Alberta next month.

    In a nutshell, felons are NOT normally allowed into Canada but there is
    an exception for people travelling under a diplomatic passport.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/canada/2025/05/23/can-trump-visit-canada-for-the-g7-if-hes-a-convicted-felon/

    However, once he is no longer president and is travelling under a normal passport, he will likely be barred from entering the country.

    This seems like a plausible answer to the question. Nelson Mandela spent
    27 years in prison for crimes he admitted during his trial yet I seem to
    recall he made a visit here as President of South Africa. I don't know
    if he ever visited privately after his presidency; I don't recall any
    such visit.

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    Rhino

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Sun May 25 20:18:23 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:35:07 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Apparently someone at CP24 (a cable news station which used to be local
    to Toronto but now seems to be national) got to wondering if Trump would
    have any obstacles in coming to Canada as a convicted felon and asked
    around. He's expected to come to the G7 meeting in Alberta next month.

    In a nutshell, felons are NOT normally allowed into Canada but there is
    an exception for people travelling under a diplomatic passport.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/canada/2025/05/23/can-trump-visit-canada-for-the-g7-if-hes-a-convicted-felon/

    However, once he is no longer president and is travelling under a normal >passport, he will likely be barred from entering the country.

    This seems like a plausible answer to the question. Nelson Mandela spent
    27 years in prison for crimes he admitted during his trial yet I seem to >recall he made a visit here as President of South Africa. I don't know
    if he ever visited privately after his presidency; I don't recall any
    such visit.

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Mon May 26 00:26:38 2025
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:35:07 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Apparently someone at CP24 (a cable news station which used to be local
    to Toronto but now seems to be national) got to wondering if Trump would >>have any obstacles in coming to Canada as a convicted felon and asked >>around. He's expected to come to the G7 meeting in Alberta next month.

    In a nutshell, felons are NOT normally allowed into Canada but there is
    an exception for people travelling under a diplomatic passport.
    https://www.cp24.com/news/canada/2025/05/23/can-trump-visit-canada-for-the-g7-if-hes-a-convicted-felon/

    However, once he is no longer president and is travelling under a normal >>passport, he will likely be barred from entering the country.

    This seems like a plausible answer to the question. Nelson Mandela spent
    27 years in prison for crimes he admitted during his trial yet I seem to >>recall he made a visit here as President of South Africa. I don't know
    if he ever visited privately after his presidency; I don't recall any
    such visit.

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

    He had his name on hotels in Vancouver and Toronto, so he must have
    visited when they opened.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to shawn on Sun May 25 20:49:21 2025
    On 2025-05-25 8:18 PM, shawn wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:35:07 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Apparently someone at CP24 (a cable news station which used to be local
    to Toronto but now seems to be national) got to wondering if Trump would
    have any obstacles in coming to Canada as a convicted felon and asked
    around. He's expected to come to the G7 meeting in Alberta next month.

    In a nutshell, felons are NOT normally allowed into Canada but there is
    an exception for people travelling under a diplomatic passport.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/canada/2025/05/23/can-trump-visit-canada-for-the-g7-if-hes-a-convicted-felon/

    However, once he is no longer president and is travelling under a normal
    passport, he will likely be barred from entering the country.

    This seems like a plausible answer to the question. Nelson Mandela spent
    27 years in prison for crimes he admitted during his trial yet I seem to
    recall he made a visit here as President of South Africa. I don't know
    if he ever visited privately after his presidency; I don't recall any
    such visit.

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

    I really don't know. If he did, I don't think it made the news.

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    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Sun May 25 20:50:12 2025
    On 2025-05-25 8:26 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 17:35:07 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Apparently someone at CP24 (a cable news station which used to be local
    to Toronto but now seems to be national) got to wondering if Trump would >>> have any obstacles in coming to Canada as a convicted felon and asked
    around. He's expected to come to the G7 meeting in Alberta next month.

    In a nutshell, felons are NOT normally allowed into Canada but there is
    an exception for people travelling under a diplomatic passport.

    https://www.cp24.com/news/canada/2025/05/23/can-trump-visit-canada-for-the-g7-if-hes-a-convicted-felon/

    However, once he is no longer president and is travelling under a normal >>> passport, he will likely be barred from entering the country.

    This seems like a plausible answer to the question. Nelson Mandela spent >>> 27 years in prison for crimes he admitted during his trial yet I seem to >>> recall he made a visit here as President of South Africa. I don't know
    if he ever visited privately after his presidency; I don't recall any
    such visit.

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

    He had his name on hotels in Vancouver and Toronto, so he must have
    visited when they opened.

    Does he always attend openings of his hotels?

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    Rhino

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Wed May 28 09:29:37 2025
    On Sun, 25 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

    I really don't know. If he did, I don't think it made the news.

    I don't think he attended Trump hotel openings.

    Note that in recent years he sold the name to independent hotel owners
    - and I know for a fact that sometime since 2016 the Trump hotel in
    Vancouver changed the name of their hotel to remove the name.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Wed May 28 20:04:20 2025
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    Sun, 25 May 2025 20:49:21 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>:

    Did Trump ever visit Canada before he first became President?

    I really don't know. If he did, I don't think it made the news.

    I don't think he attended Trump hotel openings.

    My understanding is that Trump largely makes money, not as a developer,
    but by franchising his name. Part of the franchise comes with a Trump
    visit to open the development. If the developer didn't expect Trump to
    attend, then why franchise the name? If Trump wouldn't be expected to
    attend, then franchising his name is a lot less valuable.

    Note that in recent years he sold the name to independent hotel owners
    - and I know for a fact that sometime since 2016 the Trump hotel in
    Vancouver changed the name of their hotel to remove the name.

    I think the franchise to use Trump's name is limited and must be
    renewed.

    I'm so tired of the idiots who bought condos in Trump Tower here in
    Chicago who every so often demand that his name be removed. Because of
    the bend in the main channel of the Chicago River (it's on the north
    bank over a former railroad, replacing the low-rise Sun-Times/Daily News building), the Trump name is well visible from the "L" and traffic on
    Lake Shore Drive and various local streets, obviously deliberate.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Jun 2 21:51:56 2025
    On Wed, 28 May 2025 20:04:20 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Note that in recent years he sold the name to independent hotel owners
    - and I know for a fact that sometime since 2016 the Trump hotel in >>Vancouver changed the name of their hotel to remove the name.

    I think the franchise to use Trump's name is limited and must be
    renewed.

    While you may be right, the franchisees made it clear that it was
    THEIR CHOICE (e.g. not Trump's) to remove the name.

    I'm so tired of the idiots who bought condos in Trump Tower here in
    Chicago who every so often demand that his name be removed. Because of
    the bend in the main channel of the Chicago River (it's on the north
    bank over a former railroad, replacing the low-rise Sun-Times/Daily News >building), the Trump name is well visible from the "L" and traffic on
    Lake Shore Drive and various local streets, obviously deliberate.

    That does betray a reading disability - surely they themselves knew
    when they bought their units. Presumably they agreed to pay a premium
    for it.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Tue Jun 3 05:10:35 2025
    The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
    Wed, 28 May 2025 20:04:20 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Note that in recent years he sold the name to independent hotel owners
    - and I know for a fact that sometime since 2016 the Trump hotel in >>>Vancouver changed the name of their hotel to remove the name.

    I think the franchise to use Trump's name is limited and must be
    renewed.

    While you may be right, the franchisees made it clear that it was
    THEIR CHOICE (e.g. not Trump's) to remove the name.

    Wouldn't both parties to a contract have to agree to terminate the
    contract early?

    I'm so tired of the idiots who bought condos in Trump Tower here in
    Chicago who every so often demand that his name be removed. Because of
    the bend in the main channel of the Chicago River (it's on the north
    bank over a former railroad, replacing the low-rise Sun-Times/Daily News >>building), the Trump name is well visible from the "L" and traffic on
    Lake Shore Drive and various local streets, obviously deliberate.

    That does betray a reading disability - surely they themselves knew
    when they bought their units. Presumably they agreed to pay a premium
    for it.

    Yes, they certainly did.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Mon Jun 9 19:22:10 2025
    On Tue, 3 Jun 2025 05:10:35 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Wouldn't both parties to a contract have to agree to terminate the
    contract early?

    People and companies can contract the darnedst things and unless the
    term covers an illegal act (there are a couple of other exceptions
    which I don't recall) it's enforceable.

    That's true in pretty much all the 'common law' countries (e.g. US,
    UK, Canada, Australia etc)

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