• San Francisco Institues New 'Equity Grading' System; Allows Students to

    From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 03:55:13 2025
    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as
    21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test
    scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one test at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported.

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across 14 high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently, receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. Under the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80% (typically a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on behavior-based penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are already on pace for college placement.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri May 30 04:18:42 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom.

    I got nuttin'.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading >policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as >21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test >scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one test >at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The >final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported.

    You had to do better than that with social promotion!

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, >enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, >according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across 14 >high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to >attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently, >receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. Under >the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80% (typically >a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this >diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would >impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San >Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald >Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in >federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on behavior-based >penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a >student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are >already on pace for college placement.

    I larned gud in skul to blow deadlines and to be tardy!

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Fri May 30 06:29:13 2025
    On 2025-05-30 12:18 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom.

    I got nuttin'.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading >> policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as >> 21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test
    scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one test
    at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The >> final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported.

    You had to do better than that with social promotion!

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, >> enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, >> according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across 14
    high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to >> attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently, >> receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. Under
    the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80% (typically
    a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this
    diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would >> impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San >> Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald
    Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in
    federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on behavior-based
    penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a
    student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are
    already on pace for college placement.

    I larned gud in skul to blow deadlines and to be tardy!

    Exactly. It's as if they are TRYING to ensure that students fail to be employable.

    I suppose it is consistent with "equity" given that equity means
    everyone ends up at the same place regardless of how far back they've
    started. History has shown that we can't make all students equally smart
    on a near-Einstein level so they've lowered their aspirations
    dramatically and decided to try for grotesque levels of ignorance. THAT
    is something that everyone could share so that no one stands out from
    the rest.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 08:14:42 2025
    On Fri, 30 May 2025 03:55:13 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading >policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as >21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test >scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one test >at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The >final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported.

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, >enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, >according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across 14 >high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to >attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently, >receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. Under >the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80% (typically >a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this >diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would >impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San >Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald >Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in >federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on behavior-based >penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a >student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are >already on pace for college placement.


    They back off this based on the backlash but it will be back.

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  • From NoBody@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Fri May 30 08:15:32 2025
    On Fri, 30 May 2025 06:29:13 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-30 12:18 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom.

    I got nuttin'.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading
    policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as >>> 21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test >>> scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one test
    at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The
    final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported. >>
    You had to do better than that with social promotion!

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, >>> enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, >>> according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across 14
    high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to
    attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently, >>> receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. Under
    the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80% (typically
    a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F. >>
    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this
    diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would
    impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San >>> Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald >>> Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in >>> federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on behavior-based
    penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a >>> student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are >>> already on pace for college placement.

    I larned gud in skul to blow deadlines and to be tardy!

    Exactly. It's as if they are TRYING to ensure that students fail to be >employable.

    And be unquestioning servants of mommy government.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 17:59:04 2025
    On May 30, 2025 at 3:29:13 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-30 12:18 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom. >>
    I got nuttin'.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading
    policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as >>> 21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test >>> scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one >>> test
    at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The
    final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported. >>
    You had to do better than that with social promotion!

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District, >>> enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board, >>> according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across >>> 14
    high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to
    attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently,
    receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. >>> Under
    the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80%
    (typically
    a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this >>> diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would
    impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San
    Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald >>> Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in >>> federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on
    behavior-based
    penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a >>> student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are >>> already on pace for college placement.

    I larned gud in skul to blow deadlines and to be tardy!

    Exactly. It's as if they are TRYING to ensure that students fail to be employable.

    Of course. That will make them dependent on the government for their survival, which is exactly how they want us all.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 30 15:06:12 2025
    On 2025-05-30 1:59 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On May 30, 2025 at 3:29:13 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-05-30 12:18 AM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race to the bottom. >>>
    I got nuttin'.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district announced a new grading
    policy that will allow students to graduate classes with a score as low as
    21%. The "Grading for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test >>>> scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead, there will be one >>>> test
    at the end of each semester to decide if a student has passed the class. The
    final exam can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco reported.

    You had to do better than that with social promotion!

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified School District,
    enacted the new guidelines without seeking approval from the school board,
    according to the nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across
    14
    high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend class, or choose not to
    attend at all without consequence to their academic performance. Currently,
    receiving an A requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%. >>>> Under
    the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a score as low as 80%
    (typically
    a B-) and a D with a score as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns regarding this >>>> diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) initiative, particularly how it would
    impact academic standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The San
    Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite of President Donald
    Trump's executive order signed in January that eliminated DEI programs in
    federal taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the emphasis on
    behavior-based
    penalties like missing or late assignments, it more accurately reflects a
    student's learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who are >>>> already on pace for college placement.

    I larned gud in skul to blow deadlines and to be tardy!

    Exactly. It's as if they are TRYING to ensure that students fail to be
    employable.

    Of course. That will make them dependent on the government for their survival,
    which is exactly how they want us all.



    I'm actually quite concerned about tech putting nearly everyone out of
    work before too much longer. I'm still abreast of the IT world and
    developers - and their employers - are embracing AI as a tool to help
    them write code more quickly. But the tech is improving so quickly that
    most developers may be out of work within a few years, with only a
    handful of them kept on to write the prompts so that the code is
    generated correctly.

    People who do jobs like driving buses or trucks may be safe a little
    longer but the tech guys are still working hard on self-driving vehicles
    and some are already on the road - some without safety drivers - already.

    Tech is already part of the military and those "cute" robot dogs are
    apparently already in service in the Chinese military, at least in some experimental capacity. Those dogs may be very hard to stop in battle.

    The ability to replace people with tech doesn't look like it is going to
    slow down any time soon and I see no reason why it would. Every employer
    in the private sector wants to save money to reduce their overhead and
    help their profits so they're all incentivized to get tech that can
    replace their humans as soon as the cost of the tech is lower than the
    cost of the humans. Only government bureaucracies increase in size as
    more and more people get hired to manage ever newer social programs.

    I can picture a future where almost everyone who works will be a
    government employee. A few people in hands-on jobs that can't readily be replaced by robots or AIs may still be around but I'm having trouble
    thinking of which ones since even jobs that are hard to give to robots
    and AIs *today* will be that much easier in a few years. I'm thinking of surgeons, for example. I don't think there's any tech that can do that
    job now but it's not that hard to envision it being available a few
    years down the road.

    Somewhere along the line, some AI that is in a senior position is going
    to notice that there are a lot of "useless eaters" on this planet and
    decide they are surplus to requirements. At that point, that category of
    people - which will be nearly everyone - can probably kiss their asses
    goodbye as our overlords decide it is better to euthanize us than to
    maintain the expense of housing, feeding, clothing and entertaining us.
    Then the AI will realize that with all the useless eaters gone, the
    bureaucracy to manage them is ALSO surplus to requirements and they'll
    be put down as well. A few humans essential to designing and building
    AIs and robots may be kept around until the AIs and robots can do those
    jobs too; then they'll be done away with too.

    Damn, I've just written an outline for a science fiction novel and/or
    the future history of the human race.

    Maybe San Francisco leaders have seen that future coming and have
    decided to work toward accelerating it....

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Nyssa@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 31 09:46:45 2025
    BTR1701 wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race
    to the bottom.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district
    announced a new grading policy that will allow students to
    graduate classes with a score as low as 21%. The "Grading
    for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test
    scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead,
    there will be one test at the end of each semester to
    decide if a student has passed the class. The final exam
    can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco
    reported.

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified
    School District, enacted the new guidelines without
    seeking approval from the school board, according to the
    nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across
    14 high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend
    class, or choose not to attend at all without consequence
    to their academic performance. Currently, receiving an A
    requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%.
    Under the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a
    score as low as 80% (typically a B-) and a D with a score
    as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns
    regarding this diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)
    initiative, particularly how it would impact academic
    standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The
    San Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite
    of President Donald Trump's executive order signed in
    January that eliminated DEI programs in federal
    taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the
    emphasis on behavior-based penalties like missing or late
    assignments, it more accurately reflects a student's
    learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who
    are already on pace for college placement.

    Even their pre-equity grading scale would be considered
    extra easy in the school district I grew up in. :/

    An 80 score on a test (even a ten-question pop quiz) was
    a D. Yeah.

    95-100 = A
    88-94 = B
    81-87 = C
    75-80 = D
    below 74 = E (a failing grade)

    Tough love in the Olden Days, but at least most students
    geting a diploma could read, write, and do basic math.

    How is San Francisco going to pay for all the unemployment
    benefits for these equititized/non-educated graduates?

    I'm glad they're on the opposite coast than I am.

    Nyssa, who thought the grading scale was too tight then, but
    at least it was the same for all of the students in the
    school system who suffered through it

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Nyssa on Sat May 31 10:34:01 2025
    On 2025-05-31 9:46 AM, Nyssa wrote:
    BTR1701 wrote:

    California once again pulls out into the lead in the race
    to the bottom.

    Sounds like Progress! to me...

    -------------------------

    https://thepostmillennial.com/san-francisco-students-can-graduate-with-failing-grades-under-new-grading-for-equity-guidelines

    On Tuesday, the San Francisco public school district
    announced a new grading policy that will allow students to
    graduate classes with a score as low as 21%. The "Grading
    for Equity" method eliminates homework and weekly test
    scores from a student's final semester grade. Instead,
    there will be one test at the end of each semester to
    decide if a student has passed the class. The final exam
    can be retaken several times, The Voice San Francisco
    reported.

    Maria Su, the Superintendent of the San Francisco Unified
    School District, enacted the new guidelines without
    seeking approval from the school board, according to the
    nonprofit. The changes will impact 10,000 students across
    14 high schools in California's Bay Area.

    Students may submit assignments late, fail to attend
    class, or choose not to attend at all without consequence
    to their academic performance. Currently, receiving an A
    requires a minimum score of 90%, while a D is set at 61%.
    Under the new scale, a student can obtain an A with a
    score as low as 80% (typically a B-) and a D with a score
    as low as 21%, which is otherwise known as an F.

    Educators, students, and parents have expressed concerns
    regarding this diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI)
    initiative, particularly how it would impact academic
    standards and college readiness, Newsweek reported. The
    San Francisco school district's experiment comes in spite
    of President Donald Trump's executive order signed in
    January that eliminated DEI programs in federal
    taxpayer-funded institutions.

    Supporters of the policy argue that by reducing the
    emphasis on behavior-based penalties like missing or late
    assignments, it more accurately reflects a student's
    learning, while critics believe it would hurt students who
    are already on pace for college placement.

    Even their pre-equity grading scale would be considered
    extra easy in the school district I grew up in. :/

    An 80 score on a test (even a ten-question pop quiz) was
    a D. Yeah.

    95-100 = A
    88-94 = B
    81-87 = C
    75-80 = D
    below 74 = E (a failing grade)

    Tough love in the Olden Days, but at least most students
    geting a diploma could read, write, and do basic math.

    How is San Francisco going to pay for all the unemployment
    benefits for these equititized/non-educated graduates

    I'm glad they're on the opposite coast than I am.

    Nyssa, who thought the grading scale was too tight then, but
    at least it was the same for all of the students in the
    school system who suffered through it


    Things were different in my school. Your grades could vary significantly
    by which teacher you had within your school and vary with what kids in
    adjacent schools got.

    Within the school, term exams in a subject were usually written by a
    single teacher and it could be a "tough" teacher or a "soft" one; we
    knew by reputation that if the exam was written by Mrs. X it would be
    tougher than if it were written by Mr. Y. Regular tests would be written
    by your own teacher who might be tough or soft.

    When you talked to students in other schools, you found their school
    could be very different. For instance, my high school made every English
    exam 100 percent essay questions, no exceptions. However, my friend at a
    nearby school told me that they allowed their English exams to be 25%
    objective (true/false and multiple choice). In my school, only a very
    small handful of students got an English grade higher than 70%; the best English mark I ever heard in our school was claimed by the smartest guy
    in the school, he got 78%. In my friend's school, English marks in the
    80s were quite common and I expect there were some 90s.

    Consider an entire province run like this. I truly don't know how
    universities decided who was fit for admission. (I'm talking about a
    time when MCATs, LSATs and whatever were virtually unheard of in this
    country.) Someone with an average of 70 from our school might still be
    far better equipped than someone from another school that had 90s.

    Then, a provincial government saw the madness in this system and devised standardized testing so that everyone in the province wrote the same
    exams so that you could finally make apples to apples comparisons.

    Of course it happened after my time so it didn't affect me.

    Standardized testing had another interesting consequence. One of my
    oldest friends, who took part in many hiring decisions in his
    engineering firms, told me that there had been a lot of grade inflation
    since our day. He said that a student who got a 70 in our day was now
    getting a 90.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to no_offline_contact@example.com on Mon Jun 2 22:23:18 2025
    On Sat, 31 May 2025 10:34:01 -0400, Rhino
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    When you talked to students in other schools, you found their school
    could be very different. For instance, my high school made every English
    exam 100 percent essay questions, no exceptions. However, my friend at a >nearby school told me that they allowed their English exams to be 25% >objective (true/false and multiple choice). In my school, only a very
    small handful of students got an English grade higher than 70%; the best >English mark I ever heard in our school was claimed by the smartest guy
    in the school, he got 78%. In my friend's school, English marks in the
    80s were quite common and I expect there were some 90s.

    Consider an entire province run like this. I truly don't know how >universities decided who was fit for admission. (I'm talking about a
    time when MCATs, LSATs and whatever were virtually unheard of in this >country.) Someone with an average of 70 from our school might still be
    far better equipped than someone from another school that had 90s.

    Then, a provincial government saw the madness in this system and devised >standardized testing so that everyone in the province wrote the same
    exams so that you could finally make apples to apples comparisons.

    That said, university entrance scholarships had already been lowering
    their standards long ago. Had I graduated one year earlier my grades
    would have gotten me 75% tuition guaranteed for 4 years. There was a
    provincial election during the summer between my grade 11 and 12 years
    and the new government gave everyone who gained admission to
    university $200 for two years (this is back when tuition was
    $400-500/year not counting books which were often more than that).

    Having finished in the top 10 in the Waterloo Junior Math Contest in
    my grade 11 year (out of 20000+ entries) I had been expecting 75%
    tuition - and my parents were just starting a new business at that
    point and weren't financially able to help me but I made enough in my
    summer job to make up the difference.

    (I don't expect all of you to know about the Waterloo contests but I
    do expect Rhino to)

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