Fringe S3E15 'Subject 13'
IMDb sez: "This follow-up to last season's "Peter" flashback episode
revisits a poignant period of time for both the Bishops and Olivia. "
A 1985 episode so everyone but Mr. Noble got a vacation. :)
Plot Holes: Given the way that they all are supposed to have interacted
as shown in this episode, it becomes questionable as to how none of
Walter, Peter and Olivia have any recollection of each other when they
meet in the pilot episode - Walter is perhaps forgivable due to his
memory loss, but Olivia should have recognised at least the names of
Walter and Peter, and Peter should have known Olivia.
What Did You Watch?
. . . I'm not entirely sure what the plot was for this one, but it had >something to do with giant locusts eating crops. . . .
What Did You Watch?
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I
did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a
rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), plus a soap:
soaps: DOOL - Thur's ep. Drama about the purchase of the hospital -
everyone who is a hospital board member is extremely ambivalent because
the two buyers are EJ ('nuff said!) and Xander whom everyone thinks beat Philip to within an inch of his life (they're right - Xander did do
that!). In the end, Jada shows up to arrest Xander for that crime and
haul his ass off to jail, leaving the final board vote, which is
Brady's, to decide who gets the hospital.
golf - Day three at the Memorial. No suspense here - Scottie Scheffler
moved into a tie for the lead, and then the outright lead when Ben
Griffin choked on a putt on the 18th hole and bogeyed... Expect
Scheffler to win this today.
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later
(BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as
these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is
it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from
the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been
played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they
claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if
Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I
actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name
of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act,
Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya
(Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time
to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin),
but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be
Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode
#2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which
is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In
fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end
with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here
who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after
Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.)
As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially
Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k! though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the
"Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people
look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed
about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor", Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know
in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super
weapon" (even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about
Galen Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor
does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film!
I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the *exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this
film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a
nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and
the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a
little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice...
However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic
- he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older*
in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film!
- also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays
him in Andor.
"Rogue One" is very likely the best SW film since the original
trilogy (probably by a lot). But, in comparison to "Andor", it actually
comes off as "trite" and simplistic - not as simplistic as all the other post-original trilogy SW films, mind you, but definitely trite in
comparison to the depth of "Andor".
I wonder if, over time, they will come to regret making "Andor", as
it will inevitably take some of the "shine" off the good feelings that
"Rogue One" has engendered.
What did you watch?
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I
did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a
rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), plus a soap:
soaps: DOOL - Thur's ep. Drama about the purchase of the hospital -
everyone who is a hospital board member is extremely ambivalent because
the two buyers are EJ ('nuff said!) and Xander whom everyone thinks beat Philip to within an inch of his life (they're right - Xander did do
that!). In the end, Jada shows up to arrest Xander for that crime and
haul his ass off to jail, leaving the final board vote, which is
Brady's, to decide who gets the hospital.
golf - Day three at the Memorial. No suspense here - Scottie Scheffler
moved into a tie for the lead, and then the outright lead when Ben
Griffin choked on a putt on the 18th hole and bogeyed... Expect
Scheffler to win this today.
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later
(BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as
these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is
it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from
the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been
played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they
claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if
Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I
actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in
Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name
of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act,
Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is
also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya
(Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time
to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin),
but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be
Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode
#2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which
is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In
fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end
with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here
who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after
Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.)
As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially
Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for
him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k!
though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the
"Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people
look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed
about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor", Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know
in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon"
(even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen
Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly
portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor
does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film!
I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the
*exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this
film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a
nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and
the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a
little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice...
However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic
- he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older*
in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't
realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film!
- also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays
him in Andor.
On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I
did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a
rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p )...:
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later
(BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as
these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is
it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the
original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or
something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from
the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize
until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been
played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of
"Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they
claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if
Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I
actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in
Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that
everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the
Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name
of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act,
Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is
also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra
Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya
(Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time
to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of
Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin),
but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape
Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be
Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode
#2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which
is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the
stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In
fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end
with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here
who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after
Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.)
As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially
Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy
fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for
him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the
other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k!
though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually
looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the
"Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people
look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed
about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor",
Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know
in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon"
(even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen
Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly
portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor
does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film!
I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the
*exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this
film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a
nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve
O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and
the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a
little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice...
However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic
- he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older*
in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't
realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film!
- also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks
noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays
him in Andor.
So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see Jyn again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters, like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to resort
to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size.
On 6/1/25 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid>
wrote:
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I
did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a
rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p )...:
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later >>> (BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as
these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is >>> it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the
original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or
something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from
the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize >>> until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been
played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of >>> "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they
claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if
Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I
actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in >>> Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that
everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the
Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name >>> of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act,
Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is >>> also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra >>> Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya
(Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time
to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of >>> Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin), >>> but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape
Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be
Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode
#2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which >>> is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the
stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In
fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end
with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here >>> who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after >>> Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.)
As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially
Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy >>> fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for >>> him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the >>> other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k!
though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually >>> looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the
"Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people >>> look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed
about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor", >>> Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know >>> in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon" >>> (even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen
Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly
portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor >>> does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film! >>> I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the >>> *exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this
film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a
nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve >>> O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and
the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a
little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice...
However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic >>> - he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older*
in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't
realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film! >>> - also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks
noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays >>> him in Andor.
So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the >> show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see >> Jyn
again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters, >> like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to
resort
to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size.
Unfortunately, there would be no in-universe justification for Jyn to
show up in "Andor" - she and Cassian had clearly never met before "Rogue One", and in fact at the film's open she's in jail (presumably for some time?).
Now, they could try to do a "Jyn Erso"-featured background TV series a
la "Andor", but 1) Jones is probably to old now and gets "more too old"
with every year that passes, and 2) I'm guessing Jones wouldn't want to
be tied down by a Disney+ series like that.
On Jun 1, 2025 at 4:17:24 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
On 6/1/25 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid>
wrote:
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I >>>> did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a >>>> rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p )...:
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later >>>> (BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as >>>> these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is >>>> it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the >>>> original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or
something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from >>>> the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize >>>> until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been
played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of >>>> "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they
claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if
Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I
actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in >>>> Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that >>>> everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the
Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name >>>> of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act,
Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is >>>> also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra >>>> Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya
(Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time >>>> to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of >>>> Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin), >>>> but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape
Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be
Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode
#2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which >>>> is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the >>>> stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In
fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end >>>> with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here >>>> who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after >>>> Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.)
As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially
Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy >>>> fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for >>>> him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the >>>> other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k! >>>> though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually >>>> looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the
"Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people >>>> look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed
about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor", >>>> Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know >>>> in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon" >>>> (even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen
Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly
portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor >>>> does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film! >>>> I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the >>>> *exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this >>>> film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a >>>> nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve >>>> O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and >>>> the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a
little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice... >>>> However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic >>>> - he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older* >>>> in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't >>>> realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film! >>>> - also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks
noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays >>>> him in Andor.
So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the
show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see >>> Jyn
again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters, >>> like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to >>> resort
to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size.
Unfortunately, there would be no in-universe justification for Jyn to
show up in "Andor" - she and Cassian had clearly never met before "Rogue
One", and in fact at the film's open she's in jail (presumably for some
time?).
Sure, they couldn't have her and Andor in scenes together, but they could have >put together some storyline about the Rebellion discovering Erso had a >daughter and tracking her down, finding out she was going by Leeann Halleck, >trying to grab her, only to have her fight back and cause a huge public >disturbance. The Rebels get away but she's arrested and sent to the labor camp >where we find her in ROGUE ONE. She couldn't have been there too long. She >didn't look like she'd been at hard labor for very long, if at all.
Fringe S3E15 'Subject 13'
IMDb sez: "This follow-up to last season's "Peter" flashback episode
revisits a poignant period of time for both the Bishops and Olivia. "
A 1985 episode so everyone but Mr. Noble got a vacation. :)
Plot Holes: Given the way that they all are supposed to have interacted
as shown in this episode, it becomes questionable as to how none of
Walter, Peter and Olivia have any recollection of each other when they
meet in the pilot episode - Walter is perhaps forgivable due to his
memory loss, but Olivia should have recognised at least the names of
Walter and Peter, and Peter should have known Olivia.
The glyphs for this episode spell out: SWITCH
When Walter is trying to activate Olivia's ability to cross over he
gives her a puzzle. This puzzle was used in J.J. Abrams show Alias. It
was a tool used when training children to be sleeper agents for the CIA
The timeline of this episode contradicts previous episodes that suggest >Olivia was three and living in Jacksonville with her father at the time
of the Cortexiphan trials. The room where Olivia starts a fire is also >different, and the burn marks leave a circle in the middle of the room
rather than an untouched corner.
This episode takes place in Jacksonville, Florida home to sun and high >temperatures. Yet in the scene where Peter and Olivia return to the
school it is snowing.
(Obviously the Abrams Curse of "randomly throw shit at the wall and see
if anyone notices" was making its presence known in this episode.)
Fringe S3E16 'Os'
IMDb sez: "The Fringe team attempts to find out what process enables
people to become lighter than air and float. Peter and Olivia deal with
trust issues in their relationship, while Walter becomes increasingly >obsessed with retrieving William Bell's consciousness from beyond the
grave."
The episode opens with Walter getting stoned with Hurley in the security
room of Massive Dynamics.
The glyphs for this episode spell out: "Earth"
The episode title is the chemical symbol for the element Osmium, the
densest of the naturally occurring elements.
When Nina arrives at Walter's lab she calls Astrid "Astrik".
Agent Astrid Farnsworth: "I went to Quanico for this?" (after Dr. Bishop
asks her to dispose of many gallons of blood).
Fringe S3E17 'Stowaway'
IMDb sez "As the Fringe team hopes to alleviate Olivia's possession
quickly, Agent Lincoln Lee of the F.B.I. meets them for the first time
over the curious case of what he calls "the compassionate soul vampire.""
The glyphs for this episode spell out: ERODE
Lincoln Lee: Feel free to give me a call if you ever find yourself
needing some help.
Peter Bishop: Be careful what you wish for.
William Bell: You know, stranger things have happened
Lincoln Lee: No, they haven't
Dr. Walter Bishop: Even if we were able to transfer your consciousness
safely inside Gene there are other matters to consider.
William Bell: We would communicate through my brainwaves. You would hook
me up into an EEG machine and decipher my thoughts.
Dr. Walter Bishop: That may work but still... I'd have to milk you.
William Bell: We could assign Astrid.
Peter Bishop: Walter. Walter?
Dr. Walter Bishop: Not now son, we are on to something.
Personal observation, Leonard Nimoy never looked better than he does in
this episode. ;)
. . .
I started watching the 12 Monkeys series again and it's a lot like Fringe >that way. I remember it being very slow, convoluted and many times I almost >gave up on it. I stuck it out and was rewarded by one of the best finales >of a series I can remember. The series as a whole is so much better binge >watching it.
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 05:23:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 4:17:24 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
On 6/1/25 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> >>>> wrote:Unfortunately, there would be no in-universe justification for Jyn to
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays >>>>> him in Andor.
So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the
show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see
Jyn
again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters,
like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to >>>> resort
to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size. >>>
show up in "Andor" - she and Cassian had clearly never met before "Rogue >>> One", and in fact at the film's open she's in jail (presumably for some >>> time?).
Sure, they couldn't have her and Andor in scenes together, but they could
have
put together some storyline about the Rebellion discovering Erso had a
daughter and tracking her down, finding out she was going by Leeann Halleck, >> trying to grab her, only to have her fight back and cause a huge public
disturbance. The Rebels get away but she's arrested and sent to the labor
camp
where we find her in ROGUE ONE. She couldn't have been there too long. She >> didn't look like she'd been at hard labor for very long, if at all.
They only become aware of Galen Erso at the very end of Andor. That's what creates the tie-in to Rogue One. I suppose they could have had a cameo of Jyn in jail or shown her leaving Saw Gerrera's group.
EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
. . .
I started watching the 12 Monkeys series again and it's a lot like Fringe
that way. I remember it being very slow, convoluted and many times I almost >> gave up on it. I stuck it out and was rewarded by one of the best finales >> of a series I can remember. The series as a whole is so much better binge >> watching it.
Yes. Highest possible praise for the writers and producers here. The
story telling was by people who cared about both character and plot development, who wanted to tell a good story, and who appreciated the
show's audience enough to avoid disappointing viewers. One of the
seasons was weak; I think it was season 3.
And to think it was on Syfy...
On Mon, 2 Jun 2025 05:23:19 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 4:17:24 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> wrote:
On 6/1/25 4:11 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Jun 1, 2025 at 2:25:17 PM PDT, ""Ian J. Ball"" <ijball@mac.invalid> >>>> wrote:Unfortunately, there would be no in-universe justification for Jyn to
On 6/1/25 11:16 AM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
What Did You Watch?
I treated yesterday as my first "vacation day", and it was glorious! I >>>>> did nothing! :D
But I did get through the end of "Andor" and rolled that right into a >>>>> rewatch of "Rogue One" (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p )...:
Andor (Disney+) - The final 3 episodes - ep's #2.10-2.12.
The final three episodes are top notch, though the "One Year Later >>>>> (BBY 1)" teaser at the start of #2.10 is patently untrue this time, as >>>>> these episodes basically take place mere days before "Rogue One" (or is >>>>> it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ), which itself take place just days before the >>>>> original "Star Wars" movie's ending. (So, more like "BBY Day T-7" or >>>>> something!)
These episodes do have some fun bringing back tons of people from >>>>> the "Rogue One" film... with one major exception - I didn't even realize
until I watched "Rogue One" again that Bail Organa had always been >>>>> played by Jimmy Smits, and not Benjamin Bratt as he was in season #2 of >>>>> "Rogue One"! (I really wonder why Smits couldn't make it back - they >>>>> claim "scheduling conflicts", but I'm not buying that and wonder if >>>>> Smits has health issues... or if they didn't want him back?!) FTR, I >>>>> actually *prefer* Bratt's take on Bail.
Anyway, in the final episodes, Lonni Jung finally hits pay dirt in >>>>> Dedra Meero's files (which he's been snooping on!) and finds out that >>>>> everything that has happened previously is all tied together in the >>>>> Imperials' plan for a "super weapon"! (though Jung doesn't know the name
of this weapon). Jung wants out, but in his one final dastardly act, >>>>> Luthen Rael does NOT send Jung home to his family. >:/
But doing all this likely means Jung is blown, which means Luthen is
also almost certainly blown to the Imperials as well. Sure enough, Dedra
Meero soon shows up. Will Luthen get out of this alive? Will Kleya >>>>> (Elizabeth Dulau)?! Will they be able to contact Cassian Andor in time >>>>> to come rescue them?!
After episode #2.10, I was very worried that we would be robbed of >>>>> Kleya's escape from Coruscant (with them just skipping to her on Yavin),
but episode #2.11 pretty much was 100% about Kleya trying to escape >>>>> Coruscant. Also, there's finally backstory of how Luthen came to be >>>>> Luthen and how Kleya came to be his "daughter" (of sorts) in episode >>>>> #2.10 as well.
The final episode is pretty much 100% set up for "Rogue One", which
is actually unsatisfying, as we know there will be no follow up on the >>>>> stories of Kleya, Vel Sartha (Faye Marsay) or Bix (Adria Arjona). In >>>>> fact, I'm finding this incredibly frustrating, as this series may end >>>>> with (effectively) Cassian's "end", but there are a bunch of others here
who survive "Rogue One" whom we will get no follow up on.
(P.S. Whatever happened to Mon Mothma's dopey daughter, esp. after >>>>> Mon fled the Empire as a traitor?! We get a final scene with her
husband, and the lovely Rosalind Halstead as the mother of her
daughter's husband, implying that he wasn't arrested, but I am
skeptical, and we get no mention of the daughter after the wedding.) >>>>> As for the Imperials, it goes badly for all of them, especially >>>>> Dedra Meero who finally gets her just desserts for being an Imperial spy
fangirl.
But, as far as Cassian goes, this sets up a pretty heroic ending for
him (even if "Rogue One" doesn't 100% deliver on this), and gets all the
other pieces that we see in the "Rogue One" film in place.
I then followed this up immediately with:
Rogue One (or is it "Rouge One"?!! ;p ) (Disney+) - In glorious 4k! >>>>> though this movie looks so good that even in non UHDTV, it still usually
looks great.
I mainly watched this to see, 1) how well it lines up with the >>>>> "Andor" TV series, and 2) how well it matches up in terms of how people >>>>> look between the film and the TV series (where season #2 was filmed >>>>> about 8 years later!).
On the former, I'm going to say... not well. At the end of "Andor",
Cassian is in possession of a lot more information that he seems to know
in "Rogue One" - like, he already knows the Empire has a "super weapon" >>>>> (even if he doesn't know its name), and he already knows about Galen >>>>> Erso, but *none* of that comes across in "Rogue One" which clearly >>>>> portrays Cassian as not know about the details of any of this stuff. Nor
does Cassian *ever* mention anything about a "girl he lost" in this film!
I don't know what you call this phenomenon, but it's basically the >>>>> *exact opposite* of a "retcon [retro-continuity]"!!
However, I did appreciate Andor's executing the informant in this >>>>> film being foreshadowed by what Luthen does to Lonni Jung. That was a >>>>> nice touch from the TV series.
On the second point, they do a lot better: Diego Luna and Genevieve
O'Reilly look the same or imperceptibly different between the film and >>>>> the TV series. And while Alistair Petrie (as General Draven) looks a >>>>> little bit older in the series, it's not so as you'd really notice... >>>>> However, this is definitely *not* true of Ben Mendelsohn as Krennic
- he looks *way young* in "Rogue One" which means he looks *way older* >>>>> in "Andor"!
I'm going to say that Duncan Pow (as Sgt. Melshi) - and I didn't >>>>> realize he was in both seasons #1 & #2 of "Andor" as well as this film! >>>>> - also looks noticeably younger in "Rogue One" which means he looks >>>>> noticeably older in "Andor".
And, of course, Jimmy Smits as Bail Organa here, while Bratt plays >>>>> him in Andor.
So Felicity Jones couldn't make it back as Jyn Erso? I haven't finished the
show yet, but I've heard about the ROGUE ONE cameos and was hoping to see
Jyn
again. She's always been one of my favorite female action lead characters,
like Ripley and Sarah Connor. She's smart and capable without having to >>>> resort
to the usual nonsense of watching her beat up men three times her size. >>>
show up in "Andor" - she and Cassian had clearly never met before "Rogue >>> One", and in fact at the film's open she's in jail (presumably for some
time?).
Sure, they couldn't have her and Andor in scenes together, but they could have
put together some storyline about the Rebellion discovering Erso had a
daughter and tracking her down, finding out she was going by Leeann Halleck, >> trying to grab her, only to have her fight back and cause a huge public
disturbance. The Rebels get away but she's arrested and sent to the labor camp
where we find her in ROGUE ONE. She couldn't have been there too long. She >> didn't look like she'd been at hard labor for very long, if at all.
They only become aware of Galen Erso at the very end of Andor. That's what creates the tie-in to Rogue One. I suppose they could have had a cameo of Jyn in jail or shown her leaving Saw Gerrera's group.
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