It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party for a
work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo Kearse
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a "leaving party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague took grave
offence on his behalf, leading
On 2025-06-08 12:35 PM, Rhino wrote:
It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party forOops, I hit Send by mistake, then had to reboot the computer before I
a work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo Kearse
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a
"leaving party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague
took grave offence on his behalf, leading
could finally get back here. Let's start again:
Some ethnic humour at a going-away party (called a "leaving party" in
the UK) outraged a bystander sufficiently to rat out the participants to
the BBC, who solemnly reported on it as the hate crime they apparently
think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxMj1Jge2s [13 minutes]
While no one actually spoke to the "victim" of this "non-crime hate incident", I can't help but think he would have reported that he had a
great time at the event. Only the "Karen" who blew the whistle on this
event had a miserable time and apparently decided to punish the rest of
her former colleagues as well.
Leo Kearse shares information about several other "non-crime hate
incidents" that each strike a reasonable person like me as absolutely ludicrous, like the barber who got a non-crime hate incident reported
against him for cutting hair too aggressively.
If these "non-crime hate incidents" *MUST* be retained in law - and I
REALLY don't see why they should be - they need to have a major
safeguard applied so that they retain at least a particle of sense: the "victim" of the offence needs to confirm that they really were offended
and that they understand that the "offender" will retain this offence on
his record forever if they proceed. In other words, if the "victim"
tells the police that the "offence" was all in good fun and they aren't
hurt by it in way, then the police should just go away without anyone
being arrested or reported.
I am so sick of people being offended on someone else's behalf WITHOUT
even determining if the "victim" him/herself is bothered!
On 6/8/2025 2:51 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-06-08 12:35 PM, Rhino wrote:
It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party forOops, I hit Send by mistake, then had to reboot the computer before I
a work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo Kearse
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a
"leaving party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague
took grave offence on his behalf, leading
could finally get back here. Let's start again:
Some ethnic humour at a going-away party (called a "leaving party" in
the UK) outraged a bystander sufficiently to rat out the participants
to the BBC, who solemnly reported on it as the hate crime they
apparently think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxMj1Jge2s [13 minutes]
While no one actually spoke to the "victim" of this "non-crime hate
incident", I can't help but think he would have reported that he had a
great time at the event. Only the "Karen" who blew the whistle on this
event had a miserable time and apparently decided to punish the rest
of her former colleagues as well.
Leo Kearse shares information about several other "non-crime hate
incidents" that each strike a reasonable person like me as absolutely
ludicrous, like the barber who got a non-crime hate incident reported
against him for cutting hair too aggressively.
If these "non-crime hate incidents" *MUST* be retained in law - and I
REALLY don't see why they should be - they need to have a major
safeguard applied so that they retain at least a particle of sense:
the "victim" of the offence needs to confirm that they really were
offended and that they understand that the "offender" will retain this
offence on his record forever if they proceed. In other words, if the
"victim" tells the police that the "offence" was all in good fun and
they aren't hurt by it in way, then the police should just go away
without anyone being arrested or reported.
I am so sick of people being offended on someone else's behalf WITHOUT
even determining if the "victim" him/herself is bothered!
Yeah, nobody likes to hear borrowed outrage.
But, do you really think
that the putative target of, say, starkly offensive language is always
the only one with a cause of action?
On 2025-06-08 3:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 6/8/2025 2:51 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-06-08 12:35 PM, Rhino wrote:
It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away partyOops, I hit Send by mistake, then had to reboot the computer before I
for a work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo
Kearse shares information about how a senior police officer
underwent some ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party
(called a "leaving party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a
colleague took grave offence on his behalf, leading
could finally get back here. Let's start again:
Some ethnic humour at a going-away party (called a "leaving party" in
the UK) outraged a bystander sufficiently to rat out the participants
to the BBC, who solemnly reported on it as the hate crime they
apparently think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxMj1Jge2s [13 minutes]
While no one actually spoke to the "victim" of this "non-crime hate
incident", I can't help but think he would have reported that he had
a great time at the event. Only the "Karen" who blew the whistle on
this event had a miserable time and apparently decided to punish the
rest of her former colleagues as well.
Leo Kearse shares information about several other "non-crime hate
incidents" that each strike a reasonable person like me as absolutely
ludicrous, like the barber who got a non-crime hate incident reported
against him for cutting hair too aggressively.
If these "non-crime hate incidents" *MUST* be retained in law - and I
REALLY don't see why they should be - they need to have a major
safeguard applied so that they retain at least a particle of sense:
the "victim" of the offence needs to confirm that they really were
offended and that they understand that the "offender" will retain
this offence on his record forever if they proceed. In other words,
if the "victim" tells the police that the "offence" was all in good
fun and they aren't hurt by it in way, then the police should just go
away without anyone being arrested or reported.
I am so sick of people being offended on someone else's behalf
WITHOUT even determining if the "victim" him/herself is bothered!
Yeah, nobody likes to hear borrowed outrage.
Baloney! There are all KINDS of people who LOVE to take offence on
behalf of others without consulting them and, apparently, staggering
numbers of people who nod yes whenever such a person says they were
offended on behalf of others and agrees action must be taken.
But, do you really think that the putative target of, say, starkly
offensive language is always the only one with a cause of action?
Others might be offended as well but if they are, they would need to
proceed on that basis. In other words, they only get to complain if they themselves are personally offended by what happened TO THEM, not some
other guy that may have been totally fine with whatever transpired.
On 6/8/2025 9:28 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-06-08 3:33 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 6/8/2025 2:51 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-06-08 12:35 PM, Rhino wrote:
It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party for a >>>>> work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo KearseOops, I hit Send by mistake, then had to reboot the computer before I
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a "leaving >>>>> party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague took grave >>>>> offence on his behalf, leading
could finally get back here. Let's start again:
Some ethnic humour at a going-away party (called a "leaving party" in
the UK) outraged a bystander sufficiently to rat out the participants
to the BBC, who solemnly reported on it as the hate crime they
apparently think it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsxMj1Jge2s [13 minutes]
While no one actually spoke to the "victim" of this "non-crime hate
incident", I can't help but think he would have reported that he had a >>>> great time at the event. Only the "Karen" who blew the whistle on this >>>> event had a miserable time and apparently decided to punish the rest of >>>> her former colleagues as well.
Leo Kearse shares information about several other "non-crime hate
incidents" that each strike a reasonable person like me as absolutely
ludicrous, like the barber who got a non-crime hate incident reported
against him for cutting hair too aggressively.
If these "non-crime hate incidents" *MUST* be retained in law - and I
REALLY don't see why they should be - they need to have a major
safeguard applied so that they retain at least a particle of sense: the >>>> "victim" of the offence needs to confirm that they really were offended >>>> and that they understand that the "offender" will retain this offence
on his record forever if they proceed. In other words, if the "victim" >>>> tells the police that the "offence" was all in good fun and they aren't >>>> hurt by it in way, then the police should just go away without anyone
being arrested or reported.
I am so sick of people being offended on someone else's behalf WITHOUT >>>> even determining if the "victim" him/herself is bothered!
Yeah, nobody likes to hear borrowed outrage.
Baloney! There are all KINDS of people who LOVE to take offence on
behalf of others without consulting them and, apparently, staggering
numbers of people who nod yes whenever such a person says they were
offended on behalf of others and agrees action must be taken.
Yes, I mean nobody *approves* of it when it's identified as such.
But, do you really think that the putative target of, say, starkly
offensive language is always the only one with a cause of action?
Others might be offended as well but if they are, they would need to
proceed on that basis. In other words, they only get to complain if
they themselves are personally offended by what happened TO THEM, not
some other guy that may have been totally fine with whatever transpired.
Your example cites an Irishman undergoing some "good-natured" ribbing.
But look what happens if you substitute some (even) dicier ethnicities.
It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party for a
work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo Kearse
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a "leaving >party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague took grave
offence on his behalf, leading
On Sun, 8 Jun 2025 12:35:40 -0400, Rhino
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It seems that a bit of gentle ethnic humour at a going-away party for a >>work colleague is now a hate crime, at least in the UK. Leo Kearse
shares information about how a senior police officer underwent some
ribbing from some colleagues at his going-away party (called a "leaving >>party" in the UK) over his Irish ethnicity and a colleague took grave >>offence on his behalf, leading
If it was about him being black, he would have been drawn and
quartered.
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