• Bosch rides again

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 9 18:42:54 2025
    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if
    Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 9 23:02:00 2025
    On Jul 9, 2025 at 3:42:54 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't realize this had started already.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    I recently read the book "Desert Star" on which I believe the show is based
    and in the book, no one had the power of arrest besides Ballard. She was the only sworn officer on the squad. The rest were investigators only-- a retired FBI agent, a former assistant D.A., a Penelope-type character who has those magical computer skills that solve every case these days on TV, and Bosch, who is also retired from LAPD at this point and is no longer even working much as
    a PI due to his health problems.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 9 22:02:52 2025
    On 2025-07-09 7:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 9, 2025 at 3:42:54 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if
    Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't realize this had started already.

    Happy to help! By the way, there are 10 episodes in this first season
    and all of them were released simultaneously so there's nothing to wait
    for.

    I just watched the second episode and Bosch appears both via narration
    from a murder book and in person.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    I recently read the book "Desert Star" on which I believe the show is based and in the book, no one had the power of arrest besides Ballard. She was the only sworn officer on the squad. The rest were investigators only-- a retired FBI agent, a former assistant D.A., a Penelope-type character who has those magical computer skills that solve every case these days on TV, and Bosch, who
    is also retired from LAPD at this point and is no longer even working much as a PI due to his health problems.


    In the series, at least one guy on the team is a reserve officer and
    he's actually got a line of dialog that says he has all the powers of a
    regular officer. Again, I have no idea if that is possible in the real
    LAPD. None of the team so far has any apparent strong computer skills
    but the intern or the volunteer may have the potential to take on that
    role.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From anim8rfsk@21:1/5 to Rhino on Wed Jul 9 19:50:46 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.


    That was one of the (very) few clever parts of the new Hawaii Five-0. None
    of the unit were police officers except Danny Williams. Hence when they
    wanted to arrest someone they would say “Book ‘em Dano!“

    --
    The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

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  • From EGK@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 9 23:06:23 2025
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 18:42:54 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if >Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    She's popular but I find Maggie Q to be a pretty untalented. I know this series is based on books but I would have rather they had followed through
    with the proposed series about Jerry Edgar. I like Jamie Hector as an
    actor much more.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to EGK on Thu Jul 10 04:17:38 2025
    EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 18:42:54 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if
    Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    She's popular but I find Maggie Q to be a pretty untalented. I know this series is based on books but I would have rather they had followed through with the proposed series about Jerry Edgar. I like Jamie Hector as an
    actor much more.

    Maggie Q is playing Ballard? That was not who imagined at all when I read
    the book. She was described as a Daddario type. Certainly not Asian.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Rhino on Thu Jul 10 04:17:38 2025
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    On 2025-07-09 7:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 9, 2025 at 3:42:54 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front >>> of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if >>> Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    Thanks for the heads-up. I didn't realize this had started already.

    Happy to help! By the way, there are 10 episodes in this first season
    and all of them were released simultaneously so there's nothing to wait
    for.

    I just watched the second episode and Bosch appears both via narration
    from a murder book and in person.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    I recently read the book "Desert Star" on which I believe the show is based >> and in the book, no one had the power of arrest besides Ballard. She was the >> only sworn officer on the squad. The rest were investigators only-- a retired
    FBI agent, a former assistant D.A., a Penelope-type character who has those >> magical computer skills that solve every case these days on TV, and Bosch, who
    is also retired from LAPD at this point and is no longer even working much as
    a PI due to his health problems.


    In the series, at least one guy on the team is a reserve officer and
    he's actually got a line of dialog that says he has all the powers of a regular officer. Again, I have no idea if that is possible in the real
    LAPD. None of the team so far has any apparent strong computer skills
    but the intern or the volunteer may have the potential to take on that
    role.

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing
    up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never
    be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

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  • From EGK@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 10:24:55 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 04:17:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 18:42:54 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front >>> of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if >>> Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    She's popular but I find Maggie Q to be a pretty untalented. I know this >> series is based on books but I would have rather they had followed through >> with the proposed series about Jerry Edgar. I like Jamie Hector as an
    actor much more.

    Maggie Q is playing Ballard? That was not who imagined at all when I read
    the book. She was described as a Daddario type. Certainly not Asian.

    Yes. She was briefly in the last season of Bosch Legacy. I'll probably
    watch Ballard but I just find Maggie Q's acting style to be stiff and unemotional. She's kick-ass in action scenes but it's not like these shows
    are full of hand to hand combat. Maybe she'll surprise me.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to no_email@invalid.invalid on Thu Jul 10 15:22:43 2025
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing
    up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never
    be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National
    Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to
    maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific
    cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Jul 10 17:27:39 2025
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >> up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never
    be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of three
    days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you can
    complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking, so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a cold case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per week but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with
    nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to anim8rfsk@cox.net on Thu Jul 10 17:28:34 2025
    On Jul 9, 2025 at 7:50:46 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of
    the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front
    of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if
    Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.


    That was one of the (very) few clever parts of the new Hawaii Five-0. None
    of the unit were police officers except Danny Williams. Hence when they wanted to arrest someone they would say “Book ‘em Dano!“

    Except McCarrot was active duty military, so he was violating posse comitatus every time he put hands on someone.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jul 10 19:30:55 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >>>up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>>be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National >>Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to >>maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose
    your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of
    three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, >you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    Interesting. I've never heard of Chicago Police Department offering
    anything like that. I suppose certain suburban police departments, like Rosemont that expect large crowds for major events, are like that, but
    those are strictly for patrol.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you
    can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I
    could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically >can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all
    the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed
    job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could
    get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to
    go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking,
    so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine
    to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    Well, that sucks. Maybe cartilage regeneration will become a thing in
    not too many years. Good luck.

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific >>cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a cold >case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old >unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per week >but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with >nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    If that were reality, it wouldn't be a terrible scheme to solve cold
    cases and to get work on very low profile cases performed.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jul 10 19:42:44 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jul 9, 2025 at 7:50:46 PM PDT, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
    Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on >>>Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was >>>indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we >>>will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of >>>the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we >>>won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front >>>of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee >>>Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if >>>Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that
    is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    That was one of the (very) few clever parts of the new Hawaii Five-0. None >> of the unit were police officers except Danny Williams. Hence when they
    wanted to arrest someone they would say "Book 'em Dano!"

    Except McCarrot was active duty military, so he was violating posse comitatus >every time he put hands on someone.

    But he did it with Ways and Means!

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 19:53:54 2025
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 12:30:55 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >>>> up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>>> be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National >>> Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to
    maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose
    your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of
    three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, >> you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    Interesting. I've never heard of Chicago Police Department offering
    anything like that. I suppose certain suburban police departments, like Rosemont that expect large crowds for major events, are like that, but
    those are strictly for patrol.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you
    can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I
    could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically
    can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all
    the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed
    job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could
    get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to
    go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking,
    so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine
    to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    Well, that sucks. Maybe cartilage regeneration will become a thing in
    not too many years. Good luck.

    My knees would also have prevented me from passing what the LAPD calls "The TJ Hooker Maneuver", where they drive a car straight at you at 50 MPH and you're required to jump on the hood and hold on while the driver zigs and zags and tries to throw you off.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Jul 10 20:13:59 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 12:30:55 PM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing
    up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>>>> be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National >>>> Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to
    maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose >>> your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of
    three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, >>> you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    Interesting. I've never heard of Chicago Police Department offering
    anything like that. I suppose certain suburban police departments, like
    Rosemont that expect large crowds for major events, are like that, but
    those are strictly for patrol.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you
    can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I
    could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically >>> can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all
    the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed
    job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could
    get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to
    go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking,
    so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine
    to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    Well, that sucks. Maybe cartilage regeneration will become a thing in
    not too many years. Good luck.

    My knees would also have prevented me from passing what the LAPD calls "The TJ >Hooker Maneuver", where they drive a car straight at you at 50 MPH and you're >required to jump on the hood and hold on while the driver zigs and zags and >tries to throw you off.

    Hahaha

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to ahk@chinet.com on Thu Jul 10 16:09:01 2025
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 19:30:55 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
    <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >>>>up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>>>be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National >>>Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to >>>maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose >>your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of
    three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, >>you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    Interesting. I've never heard of Chicago Police Department offering
    anything like that. I suppose certain suburban police departments, like >Rosemont that expect large crowds for major events, are like that, but
    those are strictly for patrol.


    Apparently it's more common that I thought. Here's an article that
    goes into the practice in more depth than any of us likely wanted.

    https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/reserve-law-enforcement-united-states-national-study-state-county

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you
    can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I >>could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically >>can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all
    the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed
    job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could
    get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to
    go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking,
    so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine
    to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    Well, that sucks. Maybe cartilage regeneration will become a thing in
    not too many years. Good luck.

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific >>>cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific >>>call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a cold >>case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old >>unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per week >>but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with >>nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    If that were reality, it wouldn't be a terrible scheme to solve cold
    cases and to get work on very low profile cases performed.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 16:07:13 2025
    On 2025-07-10 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >>> up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>> be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National
    Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to
    maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all the running I did
    in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today.

    Actually, that doesn't surprise me at all. One of my friends at
    university was an avid runner. She'd go out for a good run at least
    every day; I don't know if she ever stayed home because of the weather.
    She ended up marrying a guy she met in residence and he ended up moving
    to London (Ontario) where I was living at the time so he became my
    optometrist. She worked in his office part time so I kept up with her
    that way. Anyway, on one occasion, I went in for my annual eye exam and
    asked about Linda, who wasn't working that day. Her hubby told me that
    she was really bummed because she couldn't run any more. She'd been
    having problems because she'd worn out at least one hip and had to have
    it replaced. Initially, she'd been under the impression that she'd be
    able to run again after the surgery but that turned out to be wrong. She
    was really disappointed because she really loved running but gradually
    made her peace with it.



    I could get knee replacements but that seems
    like a lot of pain and expense to go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking, so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    One of my more recent work colleagues had knee replacements a couple of
    years ago. She'd been an avid gardener before the surgery but the new
    knees meant she couldn't garden any more. She was strictly forbidden
    from kneeling since doing so would apparently destroy the replacement
    knees. It seems to me that they've still got to do some work to perfect
    these joint replacements so that you can do everything you want to do in
    them.

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific
    cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a cold case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per week but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.


    I'm six episodes into the series and it isn't clear exactly how much
    each person works although it certainly appears that all of them are
    working full time. Given that there are plenty of cold cases to work, I
    can't see how they'd ever have to worry about not having any work to do.
    Mind you, the cold case squad in the series is brand new and largely
    dedicated to solving a specific cold case - a 25 year old murder of a
    city councilman's sister - so there's lot of political pressure on them
    to focus on that one case while Ballard and crew are simultaneously
    trying to solve others. There are also regular threats to shut down the
    unit if it doesn't solve the councilman's sister's case. Obviously, ALL
    of their jobs are in jeopardy if that happens.

    Whether all of this is realistic is not completely clear to me but it
    seems plausible enough as you watch the show.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to EGK on Thu Jul 10 16:25:35 2025
    On 2025-07-10 10:24 AM, EGK wrote:
    On Thu, 10 Jul 2025 04:17:38 +0000, BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid>
    wrote:

    EGK <memyself@null.net> wrote:
    On Wed, 9 Jul 2025 18:42:54 -0400, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> >>> wrote:

    I just watched the first episode on Ballard, the new sequel to Bosch.
    The producers had telegraphed that Bosch would pop up on occasion on
    Ballard so I thought I should mention that the name Harry Bosch was
    indeed spoken out loud at the end of the Ballard pilot, suggesting we
    will see Harry at some point. (To be fair, they showed some previews of >>>> the rest of the season and those scenes didn't show Bosch so maybe we
    won't see a lot of him. Or maybe they didn't want to dangle him in front >>>> of us too much for fear of making him look like a crutch for Renee
    Ballard.)

    In any case, the pilot was pretty watchable so I'll stay with it even if >>>> Bosch doesn't appear very frequently.

    I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea of a police unit that >>>> is staffed almost entirely by volunteers, retirees, and interns yet
    still has powers of arrest. I have no idea if that is realistic and
    would be curious to know if it is.

    She's popular but I find Maggie Q to be a pretty untalented. I know this >>> series is based on books but I would have rather they had followed through >>> with the proposed series about Jerry Edgar. I like Jamie Hector as an
    actor much more.

    Maggie Q is playing Ballard? That was not who imagined at all when I read
    the book. She was described as a Daddario type. Certainly not Asian.

    Yes. She was briefly in the last season of Bosch Legacy. I'll probably watch Ballard but I just find Maggie Q's acting style to be stiff and unemotional. She's kick-ass in action scenes but it's not like these shows are full of hand to hand combat. Maybe she'll surprise me.

    She is in a serious scrap late in episode 6 but I didn't see any of the
    martial arts moves that she'd used in Nikita. I assume that was
    deliberate so that this character was seen as distinct.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Jul 10 16:20:17 2025
    On 2025-07-10 3:30 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    . . .

    Yes, LAPD reserves have full police powers. I actually looked into signing >>>> up as a reserve when I retired but with my deteriorating knees, I'd never >>>> be able to do the 1.5-mile run up to their standards.

    I didn't know that was a thing. Is it like Army Reserves or the National >>> Guard, that you have to report for weekend training every so often to
    maintain skills, and that you can get deployed when ordered to?

    Not really. They're like a force multiplier. You basically get to choose
    your division and if I remember right, you have to work a minimum of
    three days/week but you get to choose which days. But when you're working, >> you're a full-fledged officer just like any other LAPD cop.

    Interesting. I've never heard of Chicago Police Department offering
    anything like that. I suppose certain suburban police departments, like Rosemont that expect large crowds for major events, are like that, but
    those are strictly for patrol.

    I went to a Canada Day celebration on July 1 and, given that it was in
    downtown Kitchener with a large crowd present, was surprised by a very substantial police presence. I noticed that quite a number of the
    officers there had vests that said "Auxiliary Police". I'm not sure if
    that is the equivalent of an LAPD reserve officer or more like a bylaw enforcement officer. I don't think they were full-fledged officers since
    I didn't see a firearm on one Auxiliary that I scrutinized. (But maybe
    he was wearing it on his other side causing me to think he was unarmed.)

    I assume they were just there to help beef up the numbers to make it
    look like more of them were there than actually were. Mind you, I'm not
    sure why they felt the need for a significant presence in the first
    place. It's not like Canada Day celebrations are notorious for rowdiness.

    The contrast with an event I saw in Montreal back in 1980 was striking.
    Quebec has a Quebec-only holiday called St. Jean Baptiste (St. John the Baptist) a few days before Canada Day and it tends to be an expression
    of Quebec nationalism. I happened to be in Montreal that day and went to
    the festivities with a friend. I was deeply surprised to find that there
    was virtually no police presence at all. We were in the old town area of Montreal and I'd guesstimate 100,000 people were in attendance; I only
    remember seeing two (uniformed) cops in all that crowd. Meanwhile, there
    must have been over 100 at the Canada Day event last week in a city
    that's not a tenth the size of Montreal.

    I was surprised to find there's no upper age limit. As long as you
    can complete their abbreviated police academy, you can be a reserve. I
    could get through everything with no problem except the run. I basically
    can't run anymore. Which is ironic because the doc tells me it was all
    the running I did in the past 25 years to keep in shape for my fed
    job that has turned my knees into the wreck they are today. I could
    get knee replacements but that seems like a lot of pain and expense to
    go through just to run again. I'm fine with normal day-to-day walking,
    so I don't see the need for major surgery. And I have a rowing machine
    to do cardio that doesn't impact my knees at all.

    Well, that sucks. Maybe cartilage regeneration will become a thing in
    not too many years. Good luck.

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific >>> cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a cold
    case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old
    unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per week
    but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with
    nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    If that were reality, it wouldn't be a terrible scheme to solve cold
    cases and to get work on very low profile cases performed.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 20:49:42 2025
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 1:07:13 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-07-10 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com>
    wrote:

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific >>> cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific
    call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a
    cold
    case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old
    unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per
    week
    but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with
    nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    I'm six episodes into the series and it isn't clear exactly how much
    each person works although it certainly appears that all of them are
    working full time. Given that there are plenty of cold cases to work, I
    can't see how they'd ever have to worry about not having any work to do.
    Mind you, the cold case squad in the series is brand new and largely dedicated to solving a specific cold case - a 25 year old murder of a
    city councilman's sister - so there's lot of political pressure on them
    to focus on that one case while Ballard and crew are simultaneously
    trying to solve others. There are also regular threats to shut down the
    unit if it doesn't solve the councilman's sister's case. Obviously, ALL
    of their jobs are in jeopardy if that happens.

    That's definitely the plot of the book "Desert Star". Although Bosch is also a main character in the book. Bosch and Ballard are like co-main characters.

    She convinces Bosch to join the squad by giving him the opportunity to work on the one case he was never able to solve-- the murder of an entire family ten years earlier. All he had to do was prioritize helping her solve the councilman's case and she'd give him all the time (and official resources) he wanted to work on his case. Sounds like they axed that part of the book's plot if Bosch isn't in the show.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 10 17:58:46 2025
    On 2025-07-10 4:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 1:07:13 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    On 2025-07-10 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Jul 10, 2025 at 8:22:43 AM PDT, ""Adam H. Kerman"" <ahk@chinet.com> >>> wrote:

    In the tv series, are the reserve officers working full time on specific >>>> cases and when the case concludes, they are off duty with no specific >>>> call up expected?

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's a >>> cold
    case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all the old >>> unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one day per >>> week
    but most come in more often because they're all retirees or people with >>> nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    I'm six episodes into the series and it isn't clear exactly how much
    each person works although it certainly appears that all of them are
    working full time. Given that there are plenty of cold cases to work, I
    can't see how they'd ever have to worry about not having any work to do.
    Mind you, the cold case squad in the series is brand new and largely
    dedicated to solving a specific cold case - a 25 year old murder of a
    city councilman's sister - so there's lot of political pressure on them
    to focus on that one case while Ballard and crew are simultaneously
    trying to solve others. There are also regular threats to shut down the
    unit if it doesn't solve the councilman's sister's case. Obviously, ALL
    of their jobs are in jeopardy if that happens.

    That's definitely the plot of the book "Desert Star". Although Bosch is also a
    main character in the book. Bosch and Ballard are like co-main characters.

    She convinces Bosch to join the squad by giving him the opportunity to work on
    the one case he was never able to solve-- the murder of an entire family ten years earlier. All he had to do was prioritize helping her solve the councilman's case and she'd give him all the time (and official resources) he wanted to work on his case. Sounds like they axed that part of the book's plot
    if Bosch isn't in the show.


    Bosch *is* in the show but he's only appeared once so far. I've finished
    the first six episodes and he does appear in Episode 2 but not for all
    that long. We may see him again in the remaining episodes but he's not a
    member of the Cold Case squad so far.


    --
    Rhino

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Aug 15 23:36:28 2025
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    Jul 10, 2025 at 1:07:13 PM PDT, Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com>: >>2025-07-10 1:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    . . .

    Haven't watched the show but in the book, they're all volunteers. It's
    a cold case squad and they each pick a case out of the archives of all >>>the old unsolved cases and work on it. They're only required to work one >>>day per week but most come in more often because they're all retirees or >>>people with nothing else to do, so they treat it like a full-time job.

    I'm six episodes into the series and it isn't clear exactly how much
    each person works although it certainly appears that all of them are >>working full time. Given that there are plenty of cold cases to work, I >>can't see how they'd ever have to worry about not having any work to do. >>Mind you, the cold case squad in the series is brand new and largely >>dedicated to solving a specific cold case - a 25 year old murder of a
    city councilman's sister - so there's lot of political pressure on them
    to focus on that one case while Ballard and crew are simultaneously
    trying to solve others. There are also regular threats to shut down the >>unit if it doesn't solve the councilman's sister's case. Obviously, ALL
    of their jobs are in jeopardy if that happens.

    That's definitely the plot of the book "Desert Star". Although Bosch is
    also a main character in the book. Bosch and Ballard are like co-main >characters.

    She convinces Bosch to join the squad by giving him the opportunity
    to work on the one case he was never able to solve-- the murder of
    an entire family ten years earlier. All he had to do was prioritize
    helping her solve the councilman's case and she'd give him all the time
    (and official resources) he wanted to work on his case. Sounds like they
    axed that part of the book's plot if Bosch isn't in the show.

    I've just finished watching Bosch: Legacy season 3. That part of the
    Desert Star novel was adapted for one of the major story arcs that
    season. Ballard was not part of it. She showed up in the final episode
    which had no relation to the rest of the season. One of Bosch's cold
    cases from 13 years earlier was solved in teaming up with Ballard. It
    was super easy, not even a problem.

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