• Re: "Sinners" To Debut On Max As First Show With "Black American Sign L

    From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 19:55:53 2025
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own
    dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first time, >> the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more immersive
    experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in ASL but are
    unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow along with this
    interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.

    My wife would be spinning in her grave - and while she was primarily a liip-reader (which caused trouble when our kids were small because
    they didn't at first realize that they had to look at Mommy to talk to
    her since Mommy didn't "hear" them if they weren't looking at her) and president of the local hard of hearing support group which she and a
    close friend co-founded some 25 years ago.

    Within the deaf community 'hard of hearing' refers to those who
    lip-read and mostly communicate vocally while the 'deaf' are primarily
    ASL (American Sign Language) users. Many deaf and hard of hearing can
    use both but usually prefer one or the other.

    Years ago when I lived in Winnipeg I was a good friend with someone in
    her early 20s who had normal hearing but deaf parents who wanted her
    to sign but also wanted her in a standard school to ensure she spoke
    well - shortly before I left Winnipeg I attended a party for her as
    she had just passed her tests to be a Supreme Court-certified sign
    language interpreter. (That's the highest non-appeal court in
    Manitoba)

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  • From Arthur Lipscomb@21:1/5 to shawn on Wed Jul 16 19:59:24 2025
    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>
    On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be interpreted >>> into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press release from Warner >>> Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first time,
    the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more immersive
    experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in ASL but are
    unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow along with this >>> interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.


    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I usually
    just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted in divergent sign language.

    And yes, Black deaf people today still use Black Sign Language. There
    are many types of sign language in use today. It's not just ASL.
    Someone who learns to sign outside the United States would learn their
    local sign language.

    When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often
    multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who
    don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone complain
    about that until now. And of course the complaint would be targeted
    towards Black people.

    Maybe next week someone will complain about French or Russian being
    offered and call that "ebonies," but somehow I doubt it.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to arthur@alum.calberkeley.org on Wed Jul 16 23:50:56 2025
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 19:59:24 -0700, Arthur Lipscomb <arthur@alum.calberkeley.org> wrote:

    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>
    On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be interpreted
    into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press release from Warner
    Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first time,
    the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more immersive >>>> experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in ASL but are >>>> unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow along with this >>>> interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.


    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I usually
    just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of >segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted in >divergent sign language.

    Never heard of it before and there's really no reason why I or most of
    us would have. Ah, there is yet another reason we haven't heard of
    BSL. Apparently BSL refers to British Sign Language. The correct term
    for Black Sign Language apparently is BASL because Black Sign Language
    is closely related with BASL being based on ASL.

    Two-handed signing: BASL signers tend to use two hands more frequently
    than in standard ASL.
    Hand Placement: BASL signs are often placed higher on the body, closer
    to the forehead, compared to standard ASL.
    Signing Space: BASL generally uses a larger signing space than
    standard ASL.
    Facial Expressions: BASL signers often use more pronounced facial
    expressions to convey meaning and emotion.
    Lexical Differences: While most vocabulary is shared, BASL has
    developed some unique signs and variations for certain words and
    phrases, sometimes reflecting African American Vernacular English
    (AAVE).

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to Arthur Lipscomb on Wed Jul 16 23:22:48 2025
    On 2025-07-17 02:59:24 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:

    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>
    On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be interpreted
    into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press release from Warner
    Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first time,
    the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more immersive >>>> experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in ASL but are >>>> unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow along with this >>>> interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.


    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I
    usually just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted
    in divergent sign language.

    And yes, Black deaf people today still use Black Sign Language. There
    are many types of sign language in use today. It's not just ASL.
    Someone who learns to sign outside the United States would learn their
    local sign language.

    When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often
    multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who
    don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone
    complain about that until now. And of course the complaint would be
    targeted towards Black people.

    Maybe next week someone will complain about French or Russian being
    offered and call that "ebonies," but somehow I doubt it.

    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign
    Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Thu Jul 17 04:36:32 2025
    super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-17 02:59:24 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:

    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:

    On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>>
    On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be interpreted
    into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press release from Warner
    Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the
    first time,
    the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more immersive >>>>> experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in ASL but are >>>>> unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow along with this >>>>> interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.


    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I
    usually just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of
    segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted
    in divergent sign language.

    And yes, Black deaf people today still use Black Sign Language. There
    are many types of sign language in use today. It's not just ASL.
    Someone who learns to sign outside the United States would learn their
    local sign language.

    When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often
    multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who
    don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone
    complain about that until now. And of course the complaint would be
    targeted towards Black people.

    Maybe next week someone will complain about French or Russian being
    offered and call that "ebonies," but somehow I doubt it.

    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign >Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    He just believes that people are being taught not to communicate, and
    are being harmed.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 05:27:32 2025
    On Jul 16, 2025 at 9:22:48 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    Since you're apparently a mind-reader, tell me what I'm thinking right now.

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  • From super70s@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 02:45:07 2025
    On 2025-07-17 05:27:32 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Jul 16, 2025 at 9:22:48 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign
    Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    Since you're apparently a mind-reader, tell me what I'm thinking right now.

    Why do I need to read your mind when you wear your heart on your sleeve
    with posts like this every day.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Arthur Lipscomb on Thu Jul 17 20:27:21 2025
    On 2025-07-17 02:59:24 +0000, Arthur Lipscomb said:
    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 16:22:07 -0000 (UTC), BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com>
    wrote:
    On Jul 2, 2025 at 1:30:48 AM PDT, "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote: >>>> On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be
    interpreted into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press
    release from Warner Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first >>>> time, the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more
    immersive experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in
    ASL but are unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow
    along with this interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.

    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I
    usually just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted
    in divergent sign language.

    Still doesn't make it sensible though. They should have taught
    everybody in all the schools for the deaf the same US sign language*. Presumably they did all learn the same mathematics, spelling, etc. So
    why single sign language out as different versions?


    * Of course, there will now be a pile of nutty conspiracy theories
    that black deaf people were purposely taught a different version to
    "keep them in their place" ... or that black deaf people were taught a different version so they could keep conversations secret from their
    "white oppressors" ... or ... :-\



    And yes, Black deaf people today still use Black Sign Language. There
    are many types of sign language in use today. It's not just ASL.
    Someone who learns to sign outside the United States would learn their
    local sign language.

    When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often
    multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who
    don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone
    complain about that until now. And of course the complaint would be
    targeted towards Black people.

    Maybe next week someone will complain about French or Russian being
    offered and call that "ebonies," but somehow I doubt it.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 16:55:12 2025
    On Jul 17, 2025 at 12:45:07 AM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    On 2025-07-17 05:27:32 +0000, BTR1701 said:

    On Jul 16, 2025 at 9:22:48 PM PDT, "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> >> wrote:
    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign
    Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    Since you're apparently a mind-reader, tell me what I'm thinking right now.

    Why do I need to read your mind when you wear your heart on your sleeve
    with posts like this every day.

    I literally didn't say or imply what you claim I did, so you might want to get your psychic settings readjusted, because for the time being it's apparent
    that you're just making shit up and pretending it's true.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Fri Jul 18 02:06:12 2025
    On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 23:50:56 -0400, shawn
    <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

    Two-handed signing: BASL signers tend to use two hands more frequently
    than in standard ASL.
    Hand Placement: BASL signs are often placed higher on the body, closer
    to the forehead, compared to standard ASL.
    Signing Space: BASL generally uses a larger signing space than
    standard ASL.
    Facial Expressions: BASL signers often use more pronounced facial
    expressions to convey meaning and emotion.
    Lexical Differences: While most vocabulary is shared, BASL has
    developed some unique signs and variations for certain words and
    phrases, sometimes reflecting African American Vernacular English
    (AAVE).

    Hmmm - guess you learn something new every day!

    I do know that Americans and Brits signing in English have no problem understanding each other though apparently French and Quebec French
    sign language are totally different.

    (The random things you learn when your lady co-founds the local hard
    of hearing chapter...)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 18 02:08:35 2025
    On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:27:21 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    * Of course, there will now be a pile of nutty conspiracy theories
    that black deaf people were purposely taught a different version to
    "keep them in their place" ... or that black deaf people were taught a >different version so they could keep conversations secret from their
    "white oppressors" ... or ... :-\

    So is it just a few extra words or is it a completely different
    language? Seems to me that would make all the difference.

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  • From shawn@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 18 05:55:06 2025
    On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 02:08:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:27:21 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    * Of course, there will now be a pile of nutty conspiracy theories
    that black deaf people were purposely taught a different version to
    "keep them in their place" ... or that black deaf people were taught a >>different version so they could keep conversations secret from their
    "white oppressors" ... or ... :-\

    So is it just a few extra words or is it a completely different
    language? Seems to me that would make all the difference.

    It's just minor differences since BASL is based off of ASL (hence
    Black American Sign Language.) It seems to be a fairly small group of
    people keeping it alive (around 400-500 thousand people in America.)

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to arthur@alum.calberkeley.org on Fri Jul 18 04:30:42 2025
    arthur@alum.calberkeley.org wrote:
    On 7/2/2025 9:58 AM, shawn wrote:
    BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
    "Ubiquitous" <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

    On July 4th, the movie SINNERS will become the first show to be
    interpreted into "Black American Sign Language (BASL)," per a press
    release from Warner Bros.

    The entertainment company described it as "a major step forward in
    accessibility, representation, and visibility in streaming."

    "BASL is a distinct dialect of American Sign Language (ASL) with its own >>>> dynamic history and unique grammar, signing space, rhythm, facial
    expressions, and cultural nuances," the release stated. "For the first >>>> time, the black deaf community will have streaming access to a more
    immersive experience in their language. Max subscribers, who sign in
    ASL but are unfamiliar with this dialect, will also be able to follow
    along with this interpretation."

    Oh my god. They actually made sign language ebonics.

    So this is something that didn't exist so there is no base of people
    who know it.

    I see this type of stuff posted in this group all the time and I usually
    just ignore. But I'm bored so I'm going to speak up.

    Black Sign language has existed since the 19th century. The reason it
    exists is because White people refused to let Black people attend
    schools with them. This was called segregation. One of the results of >segregation was separate schools for Black deaf people which resulted in >divergent sign language.

    I did not know that! Thanks!

    When I watch a movie either on disc or streaming, there are often
    multiple language options available to accommodate a wide audience who
    don't speak English. And I don't think I've ever heard someone complain >about that until now. And of course the complaint would be targeted
    towards Black people.

    Black fatigue is real.

    --
    Not a joke! Don't jump!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com on Fri Jul 18 04:30:43 2025
    nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com wrote:

    Never heard of it before and there's really no reason why I or most of
    us would have. Ah, there is yet another reason we haven't heard of
    BSL. Apparently BSL refers to British Sign Language. The correct term
    for Black Sign Language apparently is BASL because Black Sign Language
    is closely related with BASL being based on ASL.

    Two-handed signing: BASL signers tend to use two hands more frequently
    than in standard ASL.
    Hand Placement: BASL signs are often placed higher on the body, closer
    to the forehead, compared to standard ASL.
    Signing Space: BASL generally uses a larger signing space than
    standard ASL.
    Facial Expressions: BASL signers often use more pronounced facial
    expressions to convey meaning and emotion.
    Lexical Differences: While most vocabulary is shared, BASL has
    developed some unique signs and variations for certain words and
    phrases, sometimes reflecting African American Vernacular English (AAVE).

    It is also much louder.

    --
    Not a joke! Don;t jump!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Fri Jul 18 04:30:44 2025
    In article <105b9tf$1fapk$1@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:
    On 2025-07-17 05:27:32 +0000, BTR1701 said:
    "super70s" <super70s@super70s.invalid> wrote:

    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign >>>> Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    Since you're apparently a mind-reader, tell me what I'm thinking right
    now.

    Why do I need to read your mind when you wear your heart on your sleeve
    with posts like this every day.

    I literally didn't say or imply what you claim I did, so you might want to >get your psychic settings readjusted, because for the time being it's >apparent that you're just making shit up and pretending it's true.

    I am sure there's a good dash of projection involved, too.

    [Headers restored]

    --
    Not a joke! Don't jump!

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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to super70s@super70s.invalid on Fri Jul 18 04:30:44 2025
    In article <1059tqo$16jp1$1@dont-email.me>, super70s@super70s.invalid wrote:

    Never mind BTR1701, he's just an insecure person who thinks Black Sign >Language threatens his way of life, liberty and the pursuit of
    happiness.

    Race card noted. Get back to us when you have a real argument to make.

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