• [OT] Free speech in the UK - and much of the West - is dying while our

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 6 12:02:35 2025
    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major
    Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 6 18:06:51 2025
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major
    Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 6 15:44:42 2025
    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains
    widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the
    government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major
    Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Wed Aug 6 22:16:57 2025
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 12:44:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> >> wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains >>> widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the
    government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has >>> the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major
    Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

    As usual, I don't know what you're talking about.

    The issue is the UK's massive censorship program that sees anyone criticizing the government's importation of millions of Muslims-- whose culture, particularly regarding women, is incompatible with Western civilization-- receiving the knock of doom from Scotland Yard, all the while claiming it's necessary to prevent kids from seeing porn on the internet.

    Most of the online comments that have resulted in police inquiry and/or arrest have nothing to do with either kids or porn, and increasingly aren't even made online, but outside, vocally, at protests in the streets. It seems rather ludicrous for one to find oneself charged under the Online Harms Act for something that has nothing to do with being online.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 7 12:23:28 2025
    On 8/6/2025 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 12:44:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains >>>> widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the >>>> government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has >>>> the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major >>>> Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

    As usual, I don't know what you're talking about.

    I'm personally feeling censorship-like outrage at the Epstein coverup.

    > The issue is the UK's massive censorship program that sees anyone criticizing
    the government's importation of millions of Muslims-- whose culture, particularly regarding women, is incompatible with Western civilization-- receiving the knock of doom from Scotland Yard, all the while claiming it's necessary to prevent kids from seeing porn on the internet.

    Most of the online comments that have resulted in police inquiry and/or arrest
    have nothing to do with either kids or porn, and increasingly aren't even made
    online, but outside, vocally, at protests in the streets. It seems rather ludicrous for one to find oneself charged under the Online Harms Act for something that has nothing to do with being online.

    Politicians are steam-powered, seizing on whatever brings their own
    supporters to a boiling point. I assume some swath of UK voters stand
    firmly behind any position that finds a voice. Meanwhile, I suggest
    there's bias in calling "Muslim *culture* incompatible with Western *civilization*". (Both nouns should actually be "religion"...)

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to moviePig on Thu Aug 7 19:02:48 2025
    On Aug 7, 2025 at 9:23:28 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/6/2025 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 12:44:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains
    widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the >>>>> government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other >>>>> countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill. >>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major >>>>> Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

    As usual, I don't know what you're talking about.

    I'm personally feeling censorship-like outrage at the Epstein coverup.

    > The issue is the UK's massive censorship program that sees anyone criticizing
    the government's importation of millions of Muslims-- whose culture,
    particularly regarding women, is incompatible with Western civilization-- >> receiving the knock of doom from Scotland Yard, all the while claiming it's >> necessary to prevent kids from seeing porn on the internet.

    Most of the online comments that have resulted in police inquiry and/or
    arrest
    have nothing to do with either kids or porn, and increasingly aren't even >> made
    online, but outside, vocally, at protests in the streets. It seems rather >> ludicrous for one to find oneself charged under the Online Harms Act for
    something that has nothing to do with being online.

    Politicians are steam-powered, seizing on whatever brings their own supporters to a boiling point. I assume some swath of UK voters stand
    firmly behind any position that finds a voice. Meanwhile, I suggest
    there's bias in calling "Muslim *culture* incompatible with Western *civilization*". (Both nouns should actually be "religion"...)

    In Islamic countries, the religion *is* both the government and the culture. It's literally a theocracy.

    Not so with the Western countries.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 7 15:32:17 2025
    On 8/7/2025 3:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 7, 2025 at 9:23:28 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 8/6/2025 6:16 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 12:44:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains
    widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the
    government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other >>>>>> countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill. >>>>>>
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major >>>>>> Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world.

    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

    As usual, I don't know what you're talking about.

    I'm personally feeling censorship-like outrage at the Epstein coverup.

    > The issue is the UK's massive censorship program that sees anyone
    criticizing
    the government's importation of millions of Muslims-- whose culture,
    particularly regarding women, is incompatible with Western civilization-- >>> receiving the knock of doom from Scotland Yard, all the while claiming it's
    necessary to prevent kids from seeing porn on the internet.

    Most of the online comments that have resulted in police inquiry and/or >>> arrest
    have nothing to do with either kids or porn, and increasingly aren't even >>> made
    online, but outside, vocally, at protests in the streets. It seems rather >>> ludicrous for one to find oneself charged under the Online Harms Act for >>> something that has nothing to do with being online.

    Politicians are steam-powered, seizing on whatever brings their own
    supporters to a boiling point. I assume some swath of UK voters stand
    firmly behind any position that finds a voice. Meanwhile, I suggest
    there's bias in calling "Muslim *culture* incompatible with Western
    *civilization*". (Both nouns should actually be "religion"...)

    In Islamic countries, the religion *is* both the government and the culture. It's literally a theocracy.

    Not so with the Western countries.

    Surely you don't think us free of mores inspired by a "higher power".

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 7 20:49:22 2025
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech remains widespread in the UK with information about widespread attempts by the government to muzzle people - attempts that have mirrors in other
    countries like Australia (and here in Canada). The legislation even has
    the same name in different countries, namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC major
    Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Apparently in Canadia, the RCMP is warning people that if you know someone who believes on traditional values, that's a sign they're a right-wing extremist.

    https://youtu.be/LWOqU8umKGA?t=786


    Advice from police to citizens on how to deal with crime-- Canada vs. the United States edition...

    https://youtu.be/7fPczATqdwU?t=366

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 7 17:44:02 2025
    On 8/7/2025 4:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 9:02:35 AM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    Douglas Murray objects to Keir Starmer's claims that free speech
    remains widespread in the UK with information about widespread
    attempts by the government to muzzle people - attempts that have
    mirrors in other countries like Australia (and here in Canada).
    The legislation even has the same name in different countries,
    namely the Online Harms Bill.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDiLWB3RxjQ [15 minutes]

    He also has some fun discussing a meeting between would-be NYC
    major Mamdani and Senator Warren.

    Apparently in Canadia, the RCMP is warning people that if you know
    someone who believes on traditional values, that's a sign they're a right-wing extremist.

    https://youtu.be/LWOqU8umKGA?t=786

    That'd be if they believe in the tradition rather than in the values...


    Advice from police to citizens on how to deal with crime-- Canada
    vs. the United States edition...

    https://youtu.be/7fPczATqdwU?t=366



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  • From Ubiquitous@21:1/5 to atropos@mac.com on Thu Aug 7 15:42:37 2025
    In article <1070k8p$3l5er$1@dont-email.me>, atropos@mac.com wrote:
    On Aug 6, 2025 at 12:44:42 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 8/6/2025 2:06 PM, BTR1701 wrote:

    Looks like the U.S. is the last bastion for free speech left in the world. >>
    Right now, the concern seems to be freedom of *information*.

    As usual, I don't know what you're talking about.

    That's moviepig's way of telling you he has nothing to say.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 7 17:05:48 2025
    On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 12:23:28 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Politicians are steam-powered, seizing on whatever brings their own >supporters to a boiling point. I assume some swath of UK voters stand
    firmly behind any position that finds a voice. Meanwhile, I suggest
    there's bias in calling "Muslim *culture* incompatible with Western >*civilization*". (Both nouns should actually be "religion"...)

    My daughter (who emigrated from Canada to the UK 10 years ago) takes
    great delight in living in one of the two constituencies in the UK
    held by the Green party. She's leftist but about as anti-woke as it
    gets and completely hates identity politics.

    (I'll be seeing her on Saturday for the first time in a year or so
    when both of us arrive in southern Ontario for a family gathering with
    my in-laws)

    I'll disagree with you on the last point though one of my favorite
    Youtube moments in the last two months was watching Somali born Ayaan
    Hirsi Ali telling one ultra-woke gay HAMAS supporter "you DO realize
    HAMAS would kill you if you went to Gaza, right?"

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to The Horny Goat on Thu Aug 7 22:49:22 2025
    On 8/7/2025 8:05 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
    On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 12:23:28 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
    wrote:

    Politicians are steam-powered, seizing on whatever brings their own
    supporters to a boiling point. I assume some swath of UK voters stand
    firmly behind any position that finds a voice. Meanwhile, I suggest
    there's bias in calling "Muslim *culture* incompatible with Western
    *civilization*". (Both nouns should actually be "religion"...)

    My daughter (who emigrated from Canada to the UK 10 years ago) takes
    great delight in living in one of the two constituencies in the UK
    held by the Green party. She's leftist but about as anti-woke as it
    gets and completely hates identity politics.

    (I'll be seeing her on Saturday for the first time in a year or so
    when both of us arrive in southern Ontario for a family gathering with
    my in-laws)

    I'll disagree with you on the last point though one of my favorite
    Youtube moments in the last two months was watching Somali born Ayaan
    Hirsi Ali telling one ultra-woke gay HAMAS supporter "you DO realize
    HAMAS would kill you if you went to Gaza, right?"

    Be sure the gay guy was pro-Hamas and not just anti-Israel.

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