Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
Productivity on the lands that were bought with taxpayer money and
gifted to blacks underperform massively: they are reckoned to have
reduced the production of these lands by almost 90%. For example, the >wealthiest and most successful orchard in the country was bought by the >government from its previous white owners and given to blacks. A few
years later, the orchard produces nothing. The reason: all the trees
were cut down for firewood!
The video contains several more examples and it's a truly sickening
picture. The blacks selected to take over these formerly successful
farms were apparently chosen only for their political connections to
members of the ANC and NOT for any farming expertise.
In the past few years, the government has announced plans to expropriate
land WITHOUT compensation. While that will no doubt save the government
some tax money in the short term, it's hard to imagine that it will lead
to even sustained agricultural productivity let alone improved
productivity.
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new ownersB >>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under theThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in >>>>> the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that >expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>>>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
I wonder if moviePig heard of Rhodesia, the Great Leap Forward, collectivisation of farms in the Soviet Union, or any instance of mass
scale transference of agricultural land not resulting in great famine.
But I'm sure he knows something I don't know.
Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
Productivity on the lands that were bought with taxpayer money and
gifted to blacks underperform massively: they are reckoned to have
reduced the production of these lands by almost 90%. For example, the >wealthiest and most successful orchard in the country was bought by the >government from its previous white owners and given to blacks. A few
years later, the orchard produces nothing. The reason: all the trees
were cut down for firewood!
The video contains several more examples and it's a truly sickening
picture. The blacks selected to take over these formerly successful
farms were apparently chosen only for their political connections to
members of the ANC and NOT for any farming expertise.
In the past few years, the government has announced plans to expropriate
land WITHOUT compensation. While that will no doubt save the government
some tax money in the short term, it's hard to imagine that it will lead
to even sustained agricultural productivity let alone improved
productivity.
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:43:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that >>> expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
Or through years of trial and error, the way the experience was originally obtained.
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation - but
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under theThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in >>>>> the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new
ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted in
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist >>>> ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person (and no
one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were given
to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people with
education or experience in agriculture.
On 8/10/2025 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:43:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that >>>> expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
Or through years of trial and error, the way the experience was originally >> obtained.
Ah... it seems you meant to say *experience* can't be "bought or transferred". But *expertise*, of course, can ...and one might expect
the new owners would've availed themselves of some. And if they didn't,
even one who's not stupid might speculate as to why.
On 2025-08-10 7:43 PM, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the >>>>>> MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so >>>>>> that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of >>>>>> the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing
in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new
owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
I wonder if moviePig heard of Rhodesia, the Great Leap Forward,
collectivisation of farms in the Soviet Union, or any instance of mass
scale transference of agricultural land not resulting in great famine.
But I'm sure he knows something I don't know.
Yeah, he "knows" that these disasters which literally caused millions of deaths and caused great harm to the living were well-intentioned
experiments in line with the thinking of a "brilliant" economist - one
Karl Marx - that didn't quite pan out due to unavoidable circumstances
like freakish weather or US trade practices, otherwise they would have
been brilliant successes. But don't worry, we've learned from experience
and THIS TIME, everything is going to work!
On Aug 11, 2025 at 11:55:07 AM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:43:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes] >>>>>>>> ...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
Or through years of trial and error, the way the experience was originally
obtained.
Ah... it seems you meant to say *experience* can't be "bought or
transferred". But *expertise*, of course, can ...and one might expect
the new owners would've availed themselves of some. And if they didn't,
even one who's not stupid might speculate as to why.
You seem to expect that the farmers who had their family farms stolen from them should be happy to stay on working for the people who stole it, teaching them how to farm what used to be theirs.
On 8/10/2025 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:43:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>> the MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been
doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>> owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but >>>>>>> we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got >>>>>> to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
Or through years of trial and error, the way the experience was
originally
obtained.
Ah... it seems you meant to say *experience* can't be "bought or transferred". But *expertise*, of course, can ...and one might expect
the new owners would've availed themselves of some. And if they didn't, even one who's not stupid might speculate as to why.
On 8/10/2025 7:12 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation - but
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the >>>>>> MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so >>>>>> that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of >>>>>> the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing
in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new
ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_transfer
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted in
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the
Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd both be >>>>> wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person (and
no one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were given
to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people with
education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights go
only as far as putting the property into inexperienced hands ...which,
though not ideal, should be far from an unavoidable dead-end.
On 2025-08-11 2:55 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:43:31 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know >>>>> that
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>> the MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if >>>>>>> they had
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy >>>>>>>> some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white
former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been >>>>>>>> doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the >>>>>>>> new owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but >>>>>>>> we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got >>>>>>> to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes] >>>>>>>> ...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
Learned from experts? *Paid* experts?
Or through years of trial and error, the way the experience was
originally
obtained.
Ah... it seems you meant to say *experience* can't be "bought or
transferred". But *expertise*, of course, can ...and one might expect
the new owners would've availed themselves of some. And if they
didn't, even one who's not stupid might speculate as to why.
The ANC lavished many millions on paying for the property they've expropriated (at far less than market value) so why wouldn't they spend
still more on rented expertise for the new owners? Surely the ANC isn't racist?
On 2025-08-11 2:59 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:12 PM, Rhino wrote:So why didn't the ANC government pay for that education? Surely it would
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation -
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the >>>>>>> MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so >>>>>>> that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing >>>>>>> in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>> ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd >>>>>>> both be
wrong - massively wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that >>>> expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
but you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_transfer
only make sense to keep their investment in property from being wasted,
which it surely would if they gave good land to people who didn't know
how to farm it.
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it used
to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the students
were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible the ANC
indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that simply
giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the new owners
to be equally proficient at using it?
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted in
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the
Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former owners. >>>>>> You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in the >>>>>> intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person (and
no one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were
given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people
with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights go
only as far as putting the property into inexperienced hands ...which,
though not ideal, should be far from an unavoidable dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
On 8/11/2025 4:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the
Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so that >>>>>>> they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of the >>>>>>> most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing in >>>>>>> the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new owners >>>>>>> would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd
both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
in racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person
(and no one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were
given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people
with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights go
only as far as putting the property into inexperienced
hands ...which, though not ideal, should be far from an unavoidable
dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
Maybe there was racial hubris.
Maybe there was reverse racial hubris.
Maybe there was sabotage.
Maybe the new owners were somehow unmotivated.
etc. etc. etc.
On 8/11/2025 3:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 2:59 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:12 PM, Rhino wrote:So why didn't the ANC government pay for that education? Surely it
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com>BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation -
wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>> the MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if they >>>>>>> had
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing >>>>>>>> in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>>> ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd >>>>>>>> both be
wrong - massively wrong.
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know that >>>>> expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
but you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_transfer
would only make sense to keep their investment in property from being
wasted, which it surely would if they gave good land to people who
didn't know how to farm it.
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it used
to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the students
were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible the ANC
indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that simply
giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the new owners
to be equally proficient at using it?
Sure. Probably anything you can write is *possible* ...across the
entirety of the political-bias spectrum. The actual answer might even
be something you hadn't thought of.
On 2025-08-11 4:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 4:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the >>>>>>>> Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so >>>>>>>> that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some of >>>>>>>> the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former
owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing >>>>>>>> in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new
owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd >>>>>>>> both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
in racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person
(and no one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were
given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people
with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights go
only as far as putting the property into inexperienced
hands ...which, though not ideal, should be far from an unavoidable
dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
Maybe there was racial hubris.
Maybe there was reverse racial hubris.
Racial hubris? Reverse racial hubris?
What are you babbling about?
Do you mean that the new owners just assumed that everything would grow exactly as it had for the previous owners without them putting in an
effort? I suppose that would constitute racial hubris but it seems
extremely patronizing towards the new owners. It's hard to believe that
they actually thought they could sit around and everything would take
care of itself.
I can't begin to guess what you might mean with respect to reverse
racial hubris.
Maybe there was sabotage.
I'm sure if you did some digging you could find proof of that (or at
least allegations of it).
Maybe the new owners were somehow unmotivated.
So now you're saying that the black owners might have just been lazy.
That sounds extremely racist to me but then that's pretty standard for "progressives" like you.
...
On 2025-08-11 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 3:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 2:59 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:12 PM, Rhino wrote:So why didn't the ANC government pay for that education? Surely it
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> >>>>>> wrote:BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation -
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>>> the MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been
doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>>>> ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but >>>>>>>>> we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got >>>>>>>> to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know
that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
but you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_transfer
would only make sense to keep their investment in property from being
wasted, which it surely would if they gave good land to people who
didn't know how to farm it.
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it
used to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the
students were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible
the ANC indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that
simply giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the
new owners to be equally proficient at using it?
Sure. Probably anything you can write is *possible* ...across the
entirety of the political-bias spectrum. The actual answer might even
be something you hadn't thought of.
Poor moviepig! Searching desperately for some reason for this failure
but coming up empty and having to finally resort to "the actual answer
might be something you haven't thought of"....
Try finding out about all the success stories in countries that are fundamentally Marxist and you'll find there are none: only corruption, incompetence and death.
moviePig
Rhino
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it used
to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the students
were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible the ANC
indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that simply
giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the new owners
to be equally proficient at using it?
Sure. Probably anything you can write is *possible* ...across the
entirety of the political-bias spectrum. The actual answer might even
be something you hadn't thought of.
Rhino
Productivity on the lands that were bought with taxpayer money and
gifted to blacks underperform massively: they are reckoned to have
reduced the production of these lands by almost 90%. For example, the
wealthiest and most successful orchard in the country was bought by the
government from its previous white owners and given to blacks. A few
years later, the orchard produces nothing. The reason: all the trees
were cut down for firewood!
Good thing Bill Gates plans to drop $200 bazillion in Africa...
https://i.postimg.cc/YCbqWTDd/temp-Image7-Lyicl.avif
moviePig
shawn
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
Rhino
Productivity on the lands that were bought with taxpayer money and
gifted to blacks underperform massively: they are reckoned to have
reduced the production of these lands by almost 90%. For example, the wealthiest and most successful orchard in the country was bought by the government from its previous white owners and given to blacks. A few
years later, the orchard produces nothing. The reason: all the trees
were cut down for firewood!
moviePig
shawn
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
What's the learning curve for:
Trees make apples.
Do NOT chop down and burn.
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
The brain transfer machine was on the fritz.
On 8/11/2025 7:06 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 4:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 3:56 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 2:59 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:12 PM, Rhino wrote:So why didn't the ANC government pay for that education? Surely it
On 2025-08-10 6:12 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
On Aug 10, 2025 at 3:06:41 PM PDT, "moviePig"BINGO!!! You can expropriate land - with or without compensation - >>>>>> but you can't expropriate knowledge or experience.
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>>>> the MarxistThey could only be as productive as the previous owners if >>>>>>>>> they had
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy >>>>>>>>>> some of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white
former owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been >>>>>>>>>> doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the >>>>>>>>>> new ownersB
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but >>>>>>>>>> we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got >>>>>>>>> to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes] >>>>>>>>>> ...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
One only needs to speculate if one is stupid. The rest of us know >>>>>>> that
expertise can't be bought or transferred. It must be learned.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_transfer
would only make sense to keep their investment in property from
being wasted, which it surely would if they gave good land to people
who didn't know how to farm it.
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it
used to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the
students were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible
the ANC indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that
simply giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the
new owners to be equally proficient at using it?
Sure. Probably anything you can write is *possible* ...across the
entirety of the political-bias spectrum. The actual answer might
Poor moviepig! Searching desperately for some reason for this failure
but coming up empty and having to finally resort to "the actual answer
might be something you haven't thought of"....
Try finding out about all the success stories in countries that are
fundamentally Marxist and you'll find there are none: only corruption,
incompetence and death.
Umm... *your* society has no corruption, incompetence, or death? Wow!
moviePig
Rhino
Yet the productivity of these farms is a tiny fraction of what it used
to be. Apparently, the ANC refused to spend the money or the students
were unable to learn, which seems unlikely. Is it possible the ANC
indulged in the wishful thinking so endemic to Marxists that simply
giving the land to the landless would be sufficient for the new owners
to be equally proficient at using it?
Sure. Probably anything you can write is *possible* ...across the
entirety of the political-bias spectrum. The actual answer might even
be something you hadn't thought of.
We already saw the same shit happen when Rhodesia became Zimbabwe;
the former bread basket of Africa turned into a wasteland of starvation and foreign aid handouts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Zimbabwe
https://banknoteindex.com/images/notes/submitted/60147_A.jpg
On 8/11/2025 7:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 4:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 4:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is rooted >>>>>> in racism because you, after all, see racism in every white person >>>>>> (and no one else) except possibly your own wonderful self.
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under the >>>>>>>>> Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land so >>>>>>>>> that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing >>>>>>>>> in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>>>> owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd >>>>>>>>> both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they had >>>>>>>> the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were
given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to people >>>>>> with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights
go only as far as putting the property into inexperienced
hands ...which, though not ideal, should be far from an unavoidable
dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
Maybe there was racial hubris.
Maybe there was reverse racial hubris.
Racial hubris? Reverse racial hubris?
What are you babbling about?
Do you mean that the new owners just assumed that everything would
grow exactly as it had for the previous owners without them putting in
an effort? I suppose that would constitute racial hubris but it seems
extremely patronizing towards the new owners. It's hard to believe
that they actually thought they could sit around and everything would
take care of itself.
I can't begin to guess what you might mean with respect to reverse
racial hubris.
Maybe there was sabotage.
I'm sure if you did some digging you could find proof of that (or at
least allegations of it).
Maybe the new owners were somehow unmotivated.
So now you're saying that the black owners might have just been lazy.
That sounds extremely racist to me but then that's pretty standard for
"progressives" like you.
...
Actually, *I'm* (still) saying that it's unclear to me. Admittedly, I'm working without anti-Marxist goggles.
Meanwhile:
"A survey by the commission in Limpopo province, KwaZulu-Natal and
the Eastern Cape found that most land reform farms show little or no agricultural activity, the land reform beneficiaries earn little to no
income and most of those beneficiaries seek work on surrounding
commercial farms instead of actively farming their own land. If farming
is taking place on land reform farms, these farms operate below their
full agricultural potential and are mainly used for subsistence
agriculture."
-Wikipedia
That only raises questions for me. But I leave it for you to spin into another Marxist nightmare...
On 2025-08-11 10:52 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 7:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 4:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 4:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>>>> the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been doing >>>>>>>>>> in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>>>>> owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but we'd >>>>>>>>>> both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if they >>>>>>>>> had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got to go >>>>>>>>> through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes]
...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred.
rooted in racism because you, after all, see racism in every
white person (and no one else) except possibly your own wonderful >>>>>>> self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were >>>>>>> given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to
people with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights >>>>>> go only as far as putting the property into inexperienced
hands ...which, though not ideal, should be far from an
unavoidable dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
Maybe there was racial hubris.
Maybe there was reverse racial hubris.
Racial hubris? Reverse racial hubris?
What are you babbling about?
Do you mean that the new owners just assumed that everything would
grow exactly as it had for the previous owners without them putting
in an effort? I suppose that would constitute racial hubris but it
seems extremely patronizing towards the new owners. It's hard to
believe that they actually thought they could sit around and
everything would take care of itself.
I can't begin to guess what you might mean with respect to reverse
racial hubris.
Maybe there was sabotage.
I'm sure if you did some digging you could find proof of that (or at
least allegations of it).
Maybe the new owners were somehow unmotivated.
So now you're saying that the black owners might have just been lazy.
That sounds extremely racist to me but then that's pretty standard
for "progressives" like you.
...
Actually, *I'm* (still) saying that it's unclear to me. Admittedly,
I'm working without anti-Marxist goggles.
Meanwhile:
"A survey by the commission in Limpopo province, KwaZulu-Natal and
the Eastern Cape found that most land reform farms show little or no
agricultural activity, the land reform beneficiaries earn little to no
income and most of those beneficiaries seek work on surrounding
commercial farms instead of actively farming their own land. If
farming is taking place on land reform farms, these farms operate
below their full agricultural potential and are mainly used for
subsistence agriculture."
-Wikipedia
That only raises questions for me. But I leave it for you to spin
into another Marxist nightmare...
It sure isn't a success story and the ANC is a long way from a free- enterprise loving bunch so I defy you to provide anything resembling a credible alternative explanation.
On 8/12/2025 11:30 AM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 10:52 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 7:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 4:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/11/2025 4:00 PM, Rhino wrote:
On 2025-08-11 3:10 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 7:10 PM, Rhino wrote:And yet the expropriation of these lands has been very far from a
On 2025-08-10 6:06 PM, moviePig wrote:
On 8/10/2025 5:57 PM, shawn wrote:Yes, I'm sure *you* can come up with an explanation that is
On Sun, 10 Aug 2025 17:54:25 -0400, Rhino
<no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
Since the end of apartheid, South Africa's government under >>>>>>>>>>> the Marxist
ANC has been lavishing tax money on blacks who demanded land >>>>>>>>>>> so that
they too could become wealthy. The money was used to buy some >>>>>>>>>>> of the
most productive farm land in the nation from its white former >>>>>>>>>>> owners.
You might be wondering how those black farmers have been >>>>>>>>>>> doing in the
intervening years. Like me, you probably assumed that the new >>>>>>>>>>> owners
would be roughly as productive as the previous owners but >>>>>>>>>>> we'd both be
wrong - massively wrong.
They could only be as productive as the previous owners if >>>>>>>>>> they had
the experience to run the farm well. If not then they've got >>>>>>>>>> to go
through the learning experience which could take years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0BrMmNWb2U [17 minutes] >>>>>>>>>>> ...
We can speculate about why that expertise wasn't transferred. >>>>>>>>>
rooted in racism because you, after all, see racism in every
white person (and no one else) except possibly your own
wonderful self.
But the *actual* explanation is that these prosperous farms were >>>>>>>> given to people who were avid supporters of the ANC, not to
people with education or experience in agriculture.
Thanks for the "actual explanation". Unfortunately, its insights >>>>>>> go only as far as putting the property into inexperienced
hands ...which, though not ideal, should be far from an
unavoidable dead-end.
success. I look forward to YOUR explanation.
Maybe there was racial hubris.
Maybe there was reverse racial hubris.
Racial hubris? Reverse racial hubris?
What are you babbling about?
Do you mean that the new owners just assumed that everything would
grow exactly as it had for the previous owners without them putting
in an effort? I suppose that would constitute racial hubris but it
seems extremely patronizing towards the new owners. It's hard to
believe that they actually thought they could sit around and
everything would take care of itself.
I can't begin to guess what you might mean with respect to reverse
racial hubris.
Maybe there was sabotage.
I'm sure if you did some digging you could find proof of that (or at
least allegations of it).
Maybe the new owners were somehow unmotivated.
So now you're saying that the black owners might have just been
lazy. That sounds extremely racist to me but then that's pretty
standard for "progressives" like you.
...
Actually, *I'm* (still) saying that it's unclear to me. Admittedly,
I'm working without anti-Marxist goggles.
Meanwhile:
"A survey by the commission in Limpopo province, KwaZulu-Natal
and the Eastern Cape found that most land reform farms show little or
no agricultural activity, the land reform beneficiaries earn little
to no income and most of those beneficiaries seek work on surrounding
commercial farms instead of actively farming their own land. If
farming is taking place on land reform farms, these farms operate
below their full agricultural potential and are mainly used for
subsistence agriculture."
-Wikipedia
That only raises questions for me. But I leave it for you to spin
into another Marxist nightmare...
It sure isn't a success story and the ANC is a long way from a free-
enterprise loving bunch so I defy you to provide anything resembling a
credible alternative explanation.
A quick glance suggests that the ANC's sin is corruption, not Marxism.
And, giving the land to prospective individual farmers seems rather like
an excessive *trust* in "free enterprise".
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