• [OT] Non-crime hate incidents

    From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 13 19:13:33 2025
    We have discussed the curious policy of logging "non-crime hate
    incidents" in the past. I finally got off my butt to find out more about
    this policy.

    Exhibit A - Wikipedia says this is NOT exclusively a British issue.
    Other countries do the same thing, although usually with a slightly
    different name. Wikipedia says that in the UK, the College of Policing
    mandated the recording of these incidents which raises the question of
    who instructed THEM to create whole new categories of "misbehaviour"?
    The article also lists what appear to be some pretty absurd incidents
    that have been recorded as offended these rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident

    Exhibit B - This video takes a look at "non-crime hate incidents" and
    explains some of the background for how they arose. The inherent
    absurdity of the whole situation becomes apparent as the hosts discuss
    the details, like the questioning of (journalist?) Allison Pearson for a
    tweet she'd made a year before. When she asked the police what the tweet
    said, they told her they couldn't tell her! (They also declined to
    identify the complainant - who the College of Policing insists on
    calling "the victim" - but that's a bit more reasonable since it's not
    hard to imagine some kind of revenge being taken on an identified
    complainant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3gNJTQILY [16 minutes]

    It was also interesting to learn that in the UK, non-crime hate
    incidents can turn up if someone does a background check on you,
    potentially jeopardizing your chance at a job (or maybe other things). I
    wonder if anyone has ever been denied a mortgage or even the ability to
    rent a home or car because of what was found in a background check? The
    key is that NO CRIME TOOK PLACE: all that's actually happened is that
    someone complained about you and the police decided it met the test for
    a non-crime hate incident.

    --
    Rhino

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  • From BTR1701@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 13 23:18:25 2025
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 4:13:33 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    We have discussed the curious policy of logging "non-crime hate
    incidents" in the past. I finally got off my butt to find out more about
    this policy.

    Exhibit A - Wikipedia says this is NOT exclusively a British issue.
    Other countries do the same thing, although usually with a slightly
    different name. Wikipedia says that in the UK, the College of Policing mandated the recording of these incidents which raises the question of
    who instructed THEM to create whole new categories of "misbehaviour"?
    The article also lists what appear to be some pretty absurd incidents
    that have been recorded as offended these rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident

    Exhibit B - This video takes a look at "non-crime hate incidents" and explains some of the background for how they arose. The inherent
    absurdity of the whole situation becomes apparent as the hosts discuss
    the details, like the questioning of (journalist?) Allison Pearson for a tweet she'd made a year before. When she asked the police what the tweet said, they told her they couldn't tell her! (They also declined to
    identify the complainant - who the College of Policing insists on
    calling "the victim" - but that's a bit more reasonable since it's not
    hard to imagine some kind of revenge being taken on an identified complainant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3gNJTQILY [16 minutes]

    It was also interesting to learn that in the UK, non-crime hate
    incidents can turn up if someone does a background check on you,
    potentially jeopardizing your chance at a job (or maybe other things). I wonder if anyone has ever been denied a mortgage or even the ability to
    rent a home or car because of what was found in a background check? The
    key is that NO CRIME TOOK PLACE: all that's actually happened is that
    someone complained about you and the police decided it met the test for
    a non-crime hate incident.

    This is what the Left wants to come to America, too-- basically a social
    credit system where you can suffer real-world consequences for breaking social norms, said norms being whatever the Left says they are, natch-- but they have that pesky 1st Amendment standing in their way.

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  • From Rhino@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 13 21:36:32 2025
    On 2025-08-13 7:18 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 4:13:33 PM PDT, "Rhino" <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:

    We have discussed the curious policy of logging "non-crime hate
    incidents" in the past. I finally got off my butt to find out more about
    this policy.

    Exhibit A - Wikipedia says this is NOT exclusively a British issue.
    Other countries do the same thing, although usually with a slightly
    different name. Wikipedia says that in the UK, the College of Policing
    mandated the recording of these incidents which raises the question of
    who instructed THEM to create whole new categories of "misbehaviour"?
    The article also lists what appear to be some pretty absurd incidents
    that have been recorded as offended these rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident

    Exhibit B - This video takes a look at "non-crime hate incidents" and
    explains some of the background for how they arose. The inherent
    absurdity of the whole situation becomes apparent as the hosts discuss
    the details, like the questioning of (journalist?) Allison Pearson for a
    tweet she'd made a year before. When she asked the police what the tweet
    said, they told her they couldn't tell her! (They also declined to
    identify the complainant - who the College of Policing insists on
    calling "the victim" - but that's a bit more reasonable since it's not
    hard to imagine some kind of revenge being taken on an identified
    complainant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3gNJTQILY [16 minutes]

    It was also interesting to learn that in the UK, non-crime hate
    incidents can turn up if someone does a background check on you,
    potentially jeopardizing your chance at a job (or maybe other things). I
    wonder if anyone has ever been denied a mortgage or even the ability to
    rent a home or car because of what was found in a background check? The
    key is that NO CRIME TOOK PLACE: all that's actually happened is that
    someone complained about you and the police decided it met the test for
    a non-crime hate incident.

    This is what the Left wants to come to America, too-- basically a social credit system where you can suffer real-world consequences for breaking social
    norms, said norms being whatever the Left says they are, natch-- but they have
    that pesky 1st Amendment standing in their way.


    The Left must wish fervently that they had a time machine so that they
    could go back and persuade the Founding Fathers that what they REALLY
    needed was "non-crime hate incident" reporting, not this free speech nonsense....




    --
    Rhino

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  • From Pluted Pup@21:1/5 to Rhino on Fri Aug 15 13:40:10 2025
    On 8/13/25 6:36 PM, Rhino wrote:
    On 2025-08-13 7:18 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
    On Aug 13, 2025 at 4:13:33 PM PDT, "Rhino"
    <no_offline_contact@example.com>
    wrote:

    We have discussed the curious policy of logging "non-crime hate
    incidents" in the past. I finally got off my butt to find out more about >>> this policy.

    Exhibit A - Wikipedia says this is NOT exclusively a British issue.
    Other countries do the same thing, although usually with a slightly
    different name. Wikipedia says that in the UK, the College of Policing
    mandated the recording of these incidents which raises the question of
    who instructed THEM to create whole new categories of "misbehaviour"?
    The article also lists what appear to be some pretty absurd incidents
    that have been recorded as offended these rules.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-crime_hate_incident

    Exhibit B - This video takes a look at "non-crime hate incidents" and
    explains some of the background for how they arose. The inherent
    absurdity of the whole situation becomes apparent as the hosts discuss
    the details, like the questioning of (journalist?) Allison Pearson for a >>> tweet she'd made a year before. When she asked the police what the tweet >>> said, they told her they couldn't tell her! (They also declined to
    identify the complainant -  who the College of Policing insists on
    calling "the victim" - but that's a bit more reasonable since it's not
    hard to imagine some kind of revenge being taken on an identified
    complainant.)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS3gNJTQILY [16 minutes]

    It was also interesting to learn that in the UK, non-crime hate
    incidents can turn up if someone does a background check on you,
    potentially jeopardizing your chance at a job (or maybe other things). I >>> wonder if anyone has ever been denied a mortgage or even the ability to
    rent a home or car because of what was found in a background check? The
    key is that NO CRIME TOOK PLACE: all that's actually happened is that
    someone complained about you and the police decided it met the test for
    a non-crime hate incident.

    This is what the Left wants to come to America, too-- basically a social
    credit system where you can suffer real-world consequences for
    breaking social
    norms, said norms being whatever the Left says they are, natch-- but
    they have
    that pesky 1st Amendment standing in their way.


    The Left must wish fervently that they had a time machine so that they
    could go back and persuade the Founding Fathers that what they REALLY
    needed was "non-crime hate incident" reporting, not this free speech nonsense....

    The Progressive (Inc) Bill Of Rights is a list of Ten Rights to obey
    authority:

    First Amendment: the right to be free of speech that offends the
    body politic,

    Second Amendment: the right of the Army to bear arms,

    Fourth Amendment: the right to be free of effects, literature,
    or any property that offends the most progressive elements of
    society,

    Fifth Amendment: the right to be secretly charged with a crime where
    revealing the nature of the crime would tend to re-offend the
    responsible authorities,

    etc.

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