XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 13:54:24 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 12:36:52 +0000, HarryLime wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2025 1:37:30 +0000, MummyChunk wrote:
HarryLime wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 14:18:32 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2025 12:49:21 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain aka >>>>>>>>> "HarryLime" wrote:
Will Dockery wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2025 10:30:12 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2025 3:56:39 +0000, Michael Monkey aka "HarryLime" >>>>>>> wrote:
NO ONE
by fake George Dance
(in the style of George Dance)
No one
accused you of
plagiarism,
you
silly
c*nt.
Please stop
repeating your
online friend's
lie.
--
Damn, George!
That's so good that it's got me sorry that I banned you from AAPC. >>>>>>>>>
You banned me from aapc? Oh dear, whatever shall I do?
That's absurd, a.a.p.c. is a Usenet newsgroup, Michael Pendragon aka >>>>>>>>> Harry Lime has no control over it and can't possibly "ban"
anyone.
Please don't try to play dumb, Donkey. You're more than stupid enough
already.
a.a.p.c. was a Usenet newsgroup... until Will Donkey and his socks drove
all of the group's members over to Facebook.
No, Peabrain. No, HarryLiar. aapc still exists as a usenet group. You're
posting to it right now, you stupid c*nt.
No, George Dance.
NEWSFLASH: Usenet is dead.
Absolutely untrue.
How so? "Argument’s an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the >>>> automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says."
Usenet is a form of internet communication that pre-dated the World Wide
Web. When the Web became a global phenomenon in the late 1990s, Usenet
became out-dated.
It continued to exist for an increasingly small number of users who had
used it in the pre-WWW world, or who studied computer programming, etc.
In 2001, Google created a "Google Groups" app that linked WWW
users to
the Usenet groups. This app was the only way that people who had not >>>>>>>> used Usenet in the pre-WWW world had of discovering Usenet's existence.
Even with the Google app, the Usenet groups continued to dwindle is >>>>>>>> size, leading to Google's abandonment of them last year.
When Google pulled the plug, the majority of Google Group members sought
out other forums.
Most of the Usenet a.a.p.c. members migrated to the Facebook a.a.p.c. >>>>>>>> group.
Since the majority of the members are now there (myself, NancyGene, Jim,
Karen, Corey, Ash, Wenceslaus, Richard, Bob, ME), it *is* the a.a.c.p. >>>>>>>> group. You, your Donkey, Rachel, Jordy, and General Stink) are >>>>>>>> stragglers who have been left behind.
It's as if a club had moved to a new address, and taken the majority of
its patrons with it -- while a handful of former members stubbornly hang
out in the club's former building (now abandoned).
Now a.a.p.c. is a Facebook group.
alt.arts.poetry.comments is and always will be a Usenet newsgroup.
All the blister in the world from Harry Lime aka Michael Pendragon won't >>>>> change that fact.
It's already been changed, Donkey. 75+ % of the group has left Usenet >>>> for Facebook.
alt.arts.poetry.comments may continue to exist as a social forum on
Usenet, but is, and in all probability shall remain, nothing more than a >>>> forum in which to watch Will Donkey playing with his socks.
There is a facebook group that is named after aapc, here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304
- and at least one copycat group. But aapc is still a usenet group, and
will be as long as there's a usenet.
Absolutely correct.
Usenet's a relic. Your Facebook group is an offshoot from a relic. >>>>>>>> There are few members at either -- and fewer members who are actually >>>>>>>> poets.
George Dance had been a member of the Facebook group, but he got himself
banned.
No surprise there with Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime in charge.
I haven't had to ban anyone else, Donkey. Perhaps the problem is...
George.
No, Lying Michael; I'm a member of both the usenet and facebook groups.
Maybe you're referring to one of those copycat groups, where I wasnt >>>>>>>>> posting.
Calling the Official AAPC Facebook Group a "copycat group" won't >>>>>>> change
the fact that the majority of a.a.p.c. members are now posting there. >>>>>
If they're not posting here on the real Usenet newsgroup, founded back >>>>> around 1998, they're not really on alt.arts.poetry.comments.
Based on what logic? A group is several people who have bonded together >>>> (in this case, because they share a common interest in poetry). The
group has moved to a different location.
alt.arts.poetry.comments is no longer a group. It's a location. And
right now, it's looking like a ghost town.
A group is a group of people -- not a Usenet address or a Facebook page.
The group (the members of a.a.c.p.) has relocated
The Usenet poetry newsgroups have had hundreds of poets come and go and >>>>> return again.
"Hundreds" seems like a slight exaggeration. Based on what I've seen
from this group, I'd place the number (generously) around a dozen.
Not just on a.a.p.c but also rec.arts.poems, alt.portry and other Usenet >>>>> newsgroups.
A Facebook page is okay but it's no replacement for Usenet.
It certainly is, as it performs all of the same functions. We can, and >>>> do, post and discuss one another's poetry there.
In fact, I'll even go so far as to say that it's not only a replacement, >>>> but an improvement on Usenet, since we're able to keep it Donkey free. >>>>
Deal with it.
Nothing to deal with, if you prefer Facebook then go there, not a
problem.
This USENET group is far better and offers way more than any FACEBOOK >>>>>>> group
could ever offer.
Absolutely agreed.
Of course you would, Donkey. You're pretty much stuck here.
Why any normal person would post content on Facebook when it can be >>>>>>> removed,
and erased from existence at a whim by faceless algorithms or Facebook >>>>>>> staff
without explanation, reason and in many cases no recourse is beyond me. >>>
Exactly.
Giving Zuck anything is pure stupidity.
Well put.
USENET is forever!
Exactly.
Rah! Rah! Rah
Shouldn't you be working on your Facebook page tonight?
Your choice, and all you're doing is trolling and flaming here anyway. >>>>>
When is the last time you posted a poem here?
A year?
Two years?
Simply more lies and misrepresentations from Harry Lime aka Michael
Pendragon.
I've driven nobody away, anyone who leaves does so by their own choice. >>>>
That's not what you boasted to Chuck Lysaght
That was posted in the middle of a massive flame war, I know you're
familiar with those, Harry.
Does it matter? You still drove everyone else away,
No, YOU and your trolling thugs' drove them away, then y'all left
because Google Groups died and none of y'all could figure out how to use
Nova BBS or JLA Forums.
Uh, we weren't around when Chuck Lysaght was alive. You can't possibly
blame any of us for that one.
And apparently only you and Nancy Gene have figured out how to use Nova
BBS and JLA Forums to this day.
And so it goes.
Wrong, Donkey.
It doesn't require any figuring out. It just makes more sense to start
over at Facebook in a Donkey-free environment, then to subject ourselves
to the constant Donkey drama over here.
And when have you not been in a flame war?
Most of my life, basically.
LOL. Only because the internet didn't become accessible until you were
40!
You brought this current flame war, just as you and your gang of troll
thugs created the last one in 2017 which went on for nearly a decade.
There is no "gang," there are no "thugs," and this flame war was started
by George Dance.
and the last generation (mine) left last year. Various members
of this group often took extended "hiatuses" from a.a.p.c. out of
frustration from having to deal with Will and his toads. There had been >>>>>> a couple of attempts to establish an alternative group (again, with the >>>>>> express purpose of getting away from Will Dockery) in the past -- but >>>>>> they didn't take.
The main reason that they didn't take was because no one really wanted >>>>>> to leave a forum we'd been working to establish a community in for >>>>>> several years. Moving to a different forum was perceived as starting >>>>>> over from square one.
The demise of Google Groups changed that. Since most of us accessed >>>>>> a.a.p.c. through Google Groups, the forum we'd come to know was
effectively gone. NovaBBS looks and feels much different from Google >>>>>> Groups, and might as well be a different forum entirely.
Nova BBS is closer to the original Usenet, Google Groups was simply a >>>>> web portals for Usenet.
Exactly. The unfamiliarity of the forum is what allowed members to
relocate to Facebook
Facebook rules for now, of course.
As did MySpace before that.
Like MySpace (and Topix Forums), when Facebook dies, it'll probably not
be archived.
Probably not.
But like I said, we publish an annual paperback book featuring our
group's best poetry and artwork.
Yet here you are, still obsessing over me, still trolling me and if
course still flaming me.
I'm only here because you and George
Whine much, Harry?
Just correcting your b.s., Donkey.
I'm not a troll.
I didn't expect you to admit it, Harry/Pendragon.
I don't troll.
See above.
There's nothing to see above, Donkey. You called me a troll, and
accused me of having a gang of thugs -- and provided no evidence to back
up your claims.
You're actually here trolling me, Pendragon.
Do you even know what a troll is?
Yes, I know you quite well, Michael Pendragon aka Harry Lime.
If you knew me, you'd know that I'm a Troll Buster.
Trolling is a form of fishing where one pulls the bait through the water
to lure fish. A social media troll is someone who attempts to lure
others into a conversation "by deliberately posting inflammatory,
irrelevant, or offensive comments or other disruptive content."
That's exactly what you and your gang of fellow thug trolls did for
nearly a decade here.
Funny, but I remember Jim (one of my supposed gang members) having
started a weekly thread called "The Sunday Sampler," where we could all
lay aside our arguments and come together in peace. I also remember,
that once "The Sunday Sampler" caught on, I and my supposed "gang" spent
nearly all of our a.a.p.c. time there -- posting and discussing poetry.
I also remember you unleashing a barrage of posts every day in a
desperate attempt for attention, which my so-called "gang of thugs"
ignored.
So, yes, good riddance.
I only plan on being here until I learn the outcome of George's
mysterious Creeley book.
Estimated time of arrival for the Robert Creeley book is about a week
from now, I think.
If you want to move to Facebook, good luck... and good riddance.
This has been a blessing, as we've never had a single flame war. We are >>>>>> able to post and discuss poetry without having to deal with all the >>>>>> drama, animosity, and "Hello Jordy" nonsense.
So, again, best of luck on your Facebook page.
Without your flaming and trolling here perhaps this newsgroup can grow >>>>> again.
That's a good girl for 2025.
Zip your pants back up, Donkey. It's just a computer.
How?
By bringing new poets in again, of course.
Again, how?
Through various promotional campaigns, and without trolls and thugs to
drive them away, these new poets and posters can come here for the
poetry... and be allowed to stay
Promotional campaigns where? On Facebook? Kind of ironic, don'tcha
think?
The only people who know of Usenet's existence are either already using
it, or have moved on (or died).
Things can change with good promotion.
Even if you miraculously managed to get the word out, anyone who came
here would be immediately repulsed by the 100s of Will Donkey posts that clutter the archives like spam.
People join poetry groups because they want insightful commentary on
their poetry -- not to receive a generic one-word slurp. You and your
socks can't offer that.
People search the Web with Google. Google's app for "Google Groups" is
archive only.
But the archives)are/ easily searched and can be imported to other
areas, such as right here, right now:
People have to know they exist before they can be expected to search
them.
And what's the attraction here? Usenet is to the World Wide Web as DOS
is to Microsoft. It should have a black screen with bright green
letters.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
Usenet's so far under the radar that it might as well no longer exist.
Usenet is well archived, I've noticed as if this morning:
But no one in their right mind (and no one who isn't, for that matter)
is going to slog through 100s of 1,000s of "Hello Jordy" posts.
The amount of worthwhile information one could (hypothetically) glean
from a.a.p.c. archives is far to minimal to justify the time and effort.
It's a needle in a haystack type of deal.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
People only found out about Usenet by exploring their Google Apps. Most >>>> people surfing the internet are unaware that Usenet even exists.
These days, yes
In short: it comes down to a matter of what's more important: the
unmoderated freedom of Usenet vs the peace of mind from a moderated one. >>>>>
Sure, spoken like the control freak we know you are, Harry.
I haven't had to censor a single post,
That's good.
Why did you ban George Dance?
For libel
So you say, but you're sounding a little bit like a drama queen when you
keep whining about something you don't even seem to have valid evidence
of, Pendragon.
I do have valid evidence, Donkey. George Dance thanked me for
publishing his poetry by accusing me of only publishing people who I
considered "allies."
I'm not going to search the archive for it (Needle. Haystack. See
Above.), but if you want to look for it, it's there.
H falsely accused me of only publishing my supposed "allies" in "A Year
of Sundays,"
I haven't been following your vanity press publication but the last time
I observed it, thst was true.
How is that true, Donkey?
Name ONE person who posted a poem to our group who was excluded from publication in either our monthly or our annual publication.
A control freak on an ego trip, as Zod described it so well.
An idiotic statement from an idiot.
When you attack the editorial policy of a literary magazine that's
publishing your poetry, you're toast
When the editor is a control freak on an ego trip, of course.
Again Donkey, I have a hands-off policy in the FB group. Everyone does
their own thing. And as hard as it may be for a Donkey to believe,
everyone gets along.
I give everyone free rein, as olong as they don't attack others -- and >>>> no
one has ever launched an attack.
So why did you ban George Dance from the Facebook group?
How many times do I have to tell you, before it sinks in to your little
Donkey brain?
George libeled me regarding "A Year of Sundays'" editorial policy,
claiming that I only published my supposed "allies."
I think George was trying to say that you and your Stinksock were
excluded from joining the group -- but that isn't what he wrote.
Had he said that the Official AAPC Facebook Group was exclusive, I
wouldn't have had a problem. We're not. We welcome everyone to join.
We just have a "No Donkeys or Pissbums allowed" sign prominently
displayed on our door.
But George attack the integrity of our publication, and my integrity as
an editor -- and cut his own throat in the process.
Our sign now reads: "No Donkeys, Dunces, or Pissbums allowed."
So you say.
I'm also aware that you banned George Dance from the Facebook group for
pretty much no reason.
Libel
You mean your accusation of this.
No, Donkey. I mean what I say.
You've written some pretty nasty lies and misrepresentations yourself, Pendragon, do you admit those were also libel?
Of course not, Donkey. Everything I've said about you and your friends
was based on information in your posts.
George's attack on my editorial policy was a bald-faced lie.
That doesn't sound like a control freak.
Censoring a man for simply giving his opinions and observations does
sound like the work of a control freak.
He didn't give an opinion, Donkey. He lied.
And his lies were intended to cast aspersions on my integrity as an
editor, and on the integrity of "A Year of Sundays" (which, up until
that time, had published his poetry).
Zod's description still seems to apply:
"Control freaks on an ego trip."
And so it goes.
You keep repeating yourself, Donkey. Back on the sauce?
I didn't expect you to agree.
Neither did I expect you to explain how my "hands off" policy at the
Official AAPC Facebook Group makes me a "control freak."
Sure I can.
Your "banning" of George Dance for simply voicing his opinions is a
perfect example that you still fit Zod's description of you (and Jim
Senetto) as a "control freak on an ego trip."
My banning George Dance for libeling me was the nicest thing I could
have done.
And so it goes.
Getting rid of the trolls
Yet here you are, back on the newsgroup trolling again.
Again, I'm here
To troll and make personal attacks, we know.
Your choice of course.
You don't need my permission to be here, so no reason to explain.
What makes you think I would seek your permission
Meaning this isn't a moderated, censored newsgroup, unlike your "control freak on an ego trip" Facebook page, in which you've already "banned"
George Dance simply for posting his honest opinions.
Like I said, Donkey, the Facebook AAPC group isn't really moderated
(apart from keeping you and your socks from posting there).
And George Dance was banned for libel. I realize he's a dunce, but if
you were to tell any editor that he only uses his magazine to publish
his friends, you'd be banned from that publication as well.
And so it goes.
As to posterity: nothing is forever. The Internet will eventually be >>>>>> replaced by something vastly different, and be shut down; the sun will >>>>>> die, our galaxy will collapse, the universe will end. In the end, >>>>>> everything will be gone. It's only a matter of how soon the end comes.
That's true of pretty much everything, basically, but the Usenet
newsgroup archives are holding up better than most, although the Google Groups archives can no longer be responded to, they can be accessed and
read somewhat easily, as I found this morning when I did a search and
found
"Listening to Bob Dylan on LSD":
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.music.dylan/c/7rLq6LFsDhs/m/TW3SgUK8AgAJ
For once we agree.
Goodbye, and best of luck with your Facebook poetry group,
Harry/Pendragon.
😏
--
--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)