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    From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 22 14:42:39 2022
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    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Tue Jul 26 16:17:24 2022
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    "Different strokes for different folks."
    -Sylvester Stone

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  • From Victor H.@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Tue Jul 26 20:40:52 2022
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    I actually have used both methods..... in poetry.... in art..... and in the video film I worked on for years, never finished... alas...

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to Victor H. on Wed Jul 27 02:39:46 2022
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    Victor H. wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    I actually have used both methods..... in poetry.... in art..... and in the video film I worked on for years, never finished... alas...

    Again, it definitely depends on the poem, as you know, some seem to come nearly complete, spontaneous.

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  • From Victor H.@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Thu Jul 28 22:59:25 2022
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    Will Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    "Different strokes for different folks."
    -Sylvester Stone

    The wonderful freedom of poetry....

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to Victor H. on Fri Jul 29 23:42:31 2022
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    Victor H. wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >>> 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    "Different strokes for different folks."
    -Sylvester Stone

    The wonderful freedom of poetry....

    Agreed and seconded.

    🙂

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  • From Zod@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Fri Aug 5 19:48:05 2022
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    Will Dockery wrote:

    On Friday, July 22, 2022 at 2:42:42 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    Good use of quotes, well put.

    🙂

    Agreed and seconded...

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sun Aug 7 22:22:58 2022
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    Depends on the poem, of course.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to Michael Pendragon on Sun Aug 14 09:05:50 2022
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    Michael Pendragon wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades >> > > until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that.." >> > > https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en


    And then there's the third category...

    That's the ones like you, who second hand dreary rhymes and unimaginative themes from 200 year old classics, Pendragon?

    We know.

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  • From Victor H.@21:1/5 to Michael Pendragon on Tue Oct 4 20:30:52 2022
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    Michael Pendragon wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    The two views only appear to cancel one another out

    Nobody says they do...

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Fri Apr 14 12:43:53 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    I was thinking about this, this morning, as I've been in both areas with my poetry over the years.

    Depends on the moment, really.

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to W-Dockery on Sat Apr 15 06:41:40 2023
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en
    I was thinking about this, this morning, as I've been in both areas with my poetry over the years.

    Depends on the moment, really.

    Yes, it depends on the situation, and on the work, too. I've completed poems in as long as it takes to write them down, and I've wrestled with others for decades.

    One thing I didn't bother to point out, back on the aapc thread, but should is that neither of the above comments were written by poets.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to Zod on Thu Apr 20 03:13:49 2023
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    Zod wrote:

    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >> > 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en
    I was thinking about this, this morning, as I've been in both areas with my poetry over the years.

    Depends on the moment, really.

    I daresay I am also in that boat of poetics.....

    Good evening my friend, I hope you're doing well.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Tue May 2 04:31:35 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    This was discussed on the Leonard Cohen documentary I watched a few days ago.

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Fri Jul 21 15:44:32 2023
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    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that." https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades." https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    Again, well put.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to Will Dockery on Wed Aug 30 20:41:11 2023
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    Will Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word
    'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    "Different strokes for different folks."
    -Sylvester Stone


    Good one...

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to General-Zod on Thu Aug 31 07:33:55 2023
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    General-Zod wrote:

    Will Dockery wrote:

    George J. Dance wrote:

    "Philip Larkin would leave half-finished poems in a drawer for decades
    until he found the right lines to complete them. Let’s reserve the word >>> 'poet' for writers who respect language enough to do things like that."
    https://www.theage.com.au/culture/music/bob-dylan-a-great-poet-a-great-delusion-more-like-it-20220502-p5ahrz.html

    "Dumb ass. Real poets can write a poem as easily as some of us think.
    In other words, it doesn’t take fucking decades."
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/i7lvIdnUvwU/m/PV9DS2-UAgAJ?hl=en

    "Different strokes for different folks."
    -Sylvester Stone


    Good one...


    Worth another read, good find.

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