• New poets coming to Penny's Poetry Blog in 2023

    From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 11:47:57 2022
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    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July. Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before
    1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Thu Dec 22 18:17:08 2022
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    George Dance wrote:


    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July.

    s/b "..until January."" Sorry about that.

    Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before
    1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/

    Good news, George, looking forward to it.

    John Berryman is a particular, long time favorite.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to George Dance on Tue Jan 3 19:38:57 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:20:34 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George Dance wrote:


    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July.
    s/b "..until January."" Sorry about that.
    Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >> >> 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen

    Bravo....! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    Wow, looks like Kenneth Patchen and Allen Ginsberg get compared quite a bit......


    https://realpants.com/kenneth-patchen-the-blathering-creep-vs-allen-ginsberg-the-irresponsible-mountebank/


    “Let us have madness openly, O men
    Of my generation. Let us follow
    The footsteps of this slaughtered age:
    See it trail across Time’s dim land
    Into the closed house of eternity
    With the noise that dying has,
    With the face that dead things wear—
    not ever say.”

    —Patchen, from “Let Us Have Madness Openly,” 1936

    “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness…” and so on.

    —Ginsberg, from “Howl,” 1956



    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    Good news, George, looking forward to it.

    John Berryman is a particular, long time favorite.

    I have to admit, I've haven't read his work much, beyond the various Dream Songs I've found on the web. I can't promise there'll be any Berryman, just that I'll try to read more of him.

    I am excited about Pound and Klein, since I've already picked out a couple of classic poems for them to use in '23: Pound's "Ballad of the Goodly Fere" for Easter and Klein's "Portrait of the Poet as Landscape" for Canada Day. The rest of the year TBD.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to General-Zod on Wed Jan 4 20:04:24 2023
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    General-Zod wrote:

    George Dance wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:20:34 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George Dance wrote:


    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July.
    s/b "..until January."" Sorry about that.
    Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >>> >> 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain >>> >> in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen

    Bravo....! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


    Wow, looks like Kenneth Patchen and Allen Ginsberg get compared quite a bit......


    https://realpants.com/kenneth-patchen-the-blathering-creep-vs-allen-ginsberg-the-irresponsible-mountebank/


    “Let us have madness openly, O men
    Of my generation. Let us follow
    The footsteps of this slaughtered age:
    See it trail across Time’s dim land
    Into the closed house of eternity
    With the noise that dying has,
    With the face that dead things wear—
    not ever say.”

    —Patchen, from “Let Us Have Madness Openly,” 1936

    “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness…” and so on.

    —Ginsberg, from “Howl,” 1956



    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    Good news, George, looking forward to it.

    John Berryman is a particular, long time favorite.

    I have to admit, I've haven't read his work much, beyond the various Dream Songs I've found on the web. I can't promise there'll be any Berryman, just that I'll try to read more of him.

    I am excited about Pound and Klein, since I've already picked out a couple of classic poems for them to use in '23: Pound's "Ballad of the Goodly Fere" for Easter and Klein's "Portrait of the Poet as Landscape" for Canada Day. The rest of the year TBD.

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    Agreed and seconded.

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to George Dance on Wed Jan 4 22:50:52 2023
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    George Dance wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 3:51:56 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:48:00 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July. Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >> > 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    *thumbs up*
    Sounds good, much more interesting to poetry readers than someone's music chart placements.

    Your churlish jab at Will Dockery is noted,

    I saw that, and simply deleted Ash's bullshit trolling.


    but not criticized, due to your kind words for PPB's news. Thank you for the latter.

    Agreed.

    :)

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to Ash Wurthing on Thu Jan 5 00:07:51 2023
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    Ash Wurthing wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 3:51:56 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:48:00 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July. Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >> > > 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain >> > > in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    *thumbs up*
    Sounds good, much more interesting to poetry readers xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x

    Your churlish jab at Will Dockery is noted, but not criticized, due to your kind words for PPB's news. Thank you for the latter.

    Yes, it may be churlish

    You got that part right... ha ha.

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to Ash Wurthing on Thu Jan 5 00:19:58 2023
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    Ash Wurthing wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 7:10:13 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
    Ash Wurthing wrote:

    On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 4:41:15 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July. Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before
    1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB >> >> > > next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Good poet, Ash .. have a look at his work ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    *thumbs up*
    Sounds good, much more interesting to poetry readers xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx x

    Your churlish jab at Will Dockery is noted, but not criticized, due to your kind words for PPB's news. Thank you for the latter.

    Yes, it may be churlish
    You got that part right... ha ha.

    I take it that you would prefer

    If you have to ask such a silly question then you are truly clueless... I am the one constantly discussing the poetry posted here, most lately Kenneth Patchen.

    But you are mostly here to troll and argue so I didn't expect you to know that, Ash....!

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  • From W-Dockery@21:1/5 to Zod on Thu Jan 5 10:09:20 2023
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    Zod wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:20:34 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George Dance wrote:


    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July.
    s/b "..until January."" Sorry about that.
    Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >> >> 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    Good news, George, looking forward to it.

    John Berryman is a particular, long time favorite.

    In fact I recall our late great friend Richard P. Howe compared your poetry to that of John Berryman, Doc...

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    https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/To_the_Magic_Store_by_Will_Dockery#Style

    "....In style and temperament, William Dockery's poetry is a little like that of John Berryman - cf., The Dreamsongs. A basically sensitive but slightly discombobulated awareness wending its way through hazes of intoxication; the neighborhood milieu. (.
    .when I was staying/ at the boarding house/ across from the park,/ I hated those bells/ and I hated that place./ At the same time I loved it.) In essence the theme is search for self. Now, self, in the way in which a poet like William Dockery
    understands it, is essentially a myth; in other words, a kind of story in which self is revealed and delineated to itself. In fact self cannot appear except through the mediation of external places and people. But the important thing is that these must
    be interpreted as having transcendental implications which might not be apparent at the level of quotidian experience. So this is what is meant by the poet entering his neighborhood or social milieu in search of self. Myth of origin (how self first
    learns to recognize itself); golden age, debacle. These are some of the typical mythic components in life. To keep this on a simple, general level. Of course much subtler comprehensions are also possible. For example, a typical mythification involves a
    division of life into periods. When I lived on such-and-such street, life had a certain quality; I had these experiences, was acquainted with these people, et cetera. Then I moved somewhere else and it wasn't the same; a period of life came to an end.
    Thus life may be seen as a succession of /periods/ of greater or shorter duration; each more or less distinguished by objective referents (dates, addresses, names of people), each revealing distinctive mythological dimensions as well...."

    --------------------------------------------

    Again, good find, Zod.

    Thanks.

    🙂

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  • From General-Zod@21:1/5 to W-Dockery on Thu Jan 5 22:30:19 2023
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    W-Dockery wrote:

    Zod wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 1:20:34 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
    George Dance wrote:


    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July.
    s/b "..until January."" Sorry about that.
    Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before >>> >> 1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain >>> >> in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson


    Penny's Poetry Blog
    https://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/
    Good news, George, looking forward to it.

    John Berryman is a particular, long time favorite.

    In fact I recall our late great friend Richard P. Howe compared your poetry to that of John Berryman, Doc...

    --------------------

    https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/To_the_Magic_Store_by_Will_Dockery#Style

    "....In style and temperament, William Dockery's poetry is a little like that of John Berryman - cf., The Dreamsongs. A basically sensitive but slightly discombobulated awareness wending its way through hazes of intoxication; the neighborhood milieu. (
    ..when I was staying/ at the boarding house/ across from the park,/ I hated those bells/ and I hated that place./ At the same time I loved it.) In essence the theme is search for self. Now, self, in the way in which a poet like William Dockery
    understands it, is essentially a myth; in other words, a kind of story in which self is revealed and delineated to itself. In fact self cannot appear except through the mediation of external places and people. But the important thing is that these must
    be interpreted as having transcendental implications which might not be apparent at the level of quotidian experience. So this is what is meant by the poet entering his neighborhood or social milieu in search of self. Myth of origin (how self first
    learns to recognize itself); golden age, debacle. These are some of the typical mythic components in life. To keep this on a simple, general level. Of course much subtler comprehensions are also possible. For example, a typical mythification involves a
    division of life into periods. When I lived on such-and-such street, life had a certain quality; I had these experiences, was acquainted with these people, et cetera. Then I moved somewhere else and it wasn't the same; a period of life came to an end.
    Thus life may be seen as a succession of /periods/ of greater or shorter duration; each more or less distinguished by objective referents (dates, addresses, names of people), each revealing distinctive mythological dimensions as well...."

    --------------------------------------------

    Again, good find, Zod.

    Thanks.

    🙂


    Yes, quite a cool poet...!

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  • From W.Dockery@21:1/5 to Coco DeSockmonkey on Tue Jan 10 05:39:59 2023
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    Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:

    On Thursday, December 22, 2022 at 11:48:00 AM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:

    Great news from Canada for online poetry lovers.

    Canada's Parliament has recessed until July. Again this year, they
    recessed without extending the Canadian copyright term, which the
    Canadian government agreed to do under the Canada-Mexico USA Trade
    Agreement of 2019.

    That means that on January 1, 2023, the works of authors who died before
    1972 (that were published in their lifetimes) are now in public domain
    in Canada, and can be copied onto and read on Penny's Poetry Blog.

    Among the new poets that we will be able to look at featuring on PPB
    next year are:

    John Berryman
    Paul Goodman
    A.M. Klein
    Marianne Moore
    Kenneth Patchen
    Ezra Pound
    Mark van Doren
    Edmund Wilson

    But do we need PPB to read these poets?

    For me, the biggest selling point for PPB is that it features Victorian Era (mostly) poetry that isn't available elsewhere online, or (more importantly) in printed poetry collections. Instead of morphing into a variation on Poem-a-Day, you should
    focus exclusively on PPB's biggest strength: discovering the work of little-known and/or forgotten poets.

    On this I actually agree, more or less.

    Thanks again for helping keep the obscure poets and poetry alive, George.

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