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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 16:24:53 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 14:58:11 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 10:05:44 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

(Moved from another thread for relevance):

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HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

Michael Pendragon aka HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

No, Pendragon, you're either confused, delusional or simply
bullshitting.

alt.arts.poetry.comments is and always has been a Usenet newsgroup. >>>>>>>
a.a.p.c. can be found at Nova BBS:

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/thread.php?group=alt.arts.poetry.comments >>>>>>>
Or at JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewforum.php?f=655

HTH and HAND.

There's no one left here, Will. You've driven them all away.

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Stop lying, Pendragon.

It was you and your troll thugs who decided to begin running everyone >>>>> away from the newsgroup.

But you're Michael Pendragon, lying seems to be second nature for you, >>>>> as does second handing.

And so it goes.

Then how do you explain the fact that everyone we've supposedly driven >>>> off is now a member of our Official AAPC FB group?

If a group of "troll thugs" drive you out of one group, it doesn't make >>>> any sense for them to join the "troll thugs" in another.

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Is Melissa Cheshire a member of your Facebook group?

Is Antti Loude a member of your Facebook group?

Is Rachel a member of your Facebook group?

Is Mack a member of your Facebook group?

Is Peter J Ross a member of your Facebook group?

If Robert Burrows was "driven away" then so were all of the above.

HTH and HAND, again.

There's no "relevance" to your opening a new thread

Obviously I don't agree.

"moved" the conversation because you came off looking like a jackass in
original one.

That's only you opinion, Pendragon.

My opinion is that you come off as a slimy green monkey in this and most other threads.

The biggest difference is that I'm telling the truth and you're a liar.

See the difference?

I see only a Donkey kicking up his own feces while braying desperately
for attention.

You haven't even got the sense to change the title of the discussion to
one that isn't a blatant, and childish attack, upon one of the previous
members.

It wasn't then or ever was an attack, it's simply a humorous limerick.

Are you really that stupid, Donkey?

Stop being such a drama queen, Pendragon.

You've driven everyone away

Again, not true.

Anyone is free to come and go as they please.

No one said that you barred them from the group. Do you even understand
what "driven everyone away" means?

BUT you and your sleazy troll wannabes DID drive away or attempt to
drive away many poets from the Usenet newsgroup AAPC, including me and
even George Dance.

No one attempted to drive you and George away, Donkey. We're all smart
enough to know that you're never going anywhere.

Unfortunately for you George and I are fighters,band happened to win
this territory back after many years of struggle.

And you've got your territory, Donkey. It's all yours and George's.

Everyone has left Usenet AAPC for a non-toxic environment.

Congratulations on your win.

Stay if you'd like, but there will apparently not be a hostile takeover
of alt.arts.poetry.comments anytime soon.

I have no intention of staying here, Donkey.

I plan on dropping by once a month or so, having a go at my old chew
toys, and leaving.

As to taking over this group... why should I want to?

There's no one here but you and your socks.

AAPC is supposed to be a place for discussing poetry.

Which is exactly what it is and will be, Pendragon.

Right. Don't forget to say "Hi" to Jordy for me. Oh, and please extend
my belated birthday wishes to Jordy's Grandfather.

You flooded it

with slurp-posts,

You and your gang of troll thugs wannabes did a hundred times more
flooding, stop being a whining hypocrite, Pendragon.

Remember when NancyGene ran a tally of the posts by individual members?
You and your Stink sock were racking up 50+ posts a day -- each.
Whereas the rest of us were hovering around 10.

"Hello Jordy" posts,

I remember when you tried to drive Jordy Chase from the newsgroup, by flooding HIM with attack posts, lies and misrepresentations.

"Jordy" Chase is a troll of the lowest sort. He should be driven away
from any group.

and started innumerable flame
wars -- creating a toxic atmosphere that no one wanted any part of.

That was actually what you, Jim Senetto and Nancy Gene created in your attempts to drive Stephan Pickering and others from this Usenet
newsgroup.

That atmosphere existed long before you recruited Pickles, Donkey.

The evidence is in the archives.

Now everyone (who isn't one of your socks) has left the group and moved
over to the Official AAPC FB page.

There's nothing wrong with playing with Facebook but
alr.arts.poetry.comments is a Usenet newsgroup, not a Facebook page.

EARTH TO DONKEY: There are THREE AAPC groups: 1) this Usenet group
(which is dead), 2) your FB Edition of this group (which has always been
dead), and 3) The Official AAPC FB Group which is alive and well.

Try to grasp the difficult concept that several versions of a Group can
exist at the same time. It may sound like Quantum Physics to you, but I
assure you that it really isn't.

Poets are free to come and go, and post poetry and communicate here.

This Group has also attracted many

established poets -- and will hopefully continue to do so.

You, otoh, are sitting here all alone with your drawer of assorted
socks. Pity.

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True, Usenet has seen better days, but under the new portals of Nova BBS
and JLA Forums this poetry newsgroup obviously still has some life left,
and I expect it to continue to grow in 2025.

And so it goes.

Wake up and smell the coffee, Donkey. Usenet is dead. It had been on
life support since since the early 2000s, and the demise of Google
Groups effectively pulled the plug.

Your Newsgroup cannot "continue to grow" when it has been in a steady
decline.

A year and a half ago, there were approximately a dozen members here at
any given time. Since the demise of Google Groups, that number has
dropped down to three (you, George, and occasionally Rachel) -- 5 if one includes your socks.

The Official AAPC FB Group has two dozen active members, and actually is growing -- adding well known, award winning poets to our roster.

Of course, you could always recruit another pair of socks... Dirty Mike, perhaps?

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for
over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup, Donkey.

Not anymore.

All of the members have gone away.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for
over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT >>>
But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

Usenet newsgroup archives on JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left.
They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:14:39 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for >>>>> over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT

The Facebook page ^^^

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

Usenet newsgroup archives on JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

The Usenet newsgroup portal for AAPC ^^^

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

You and George are still here.

And Jordy, Zod and Rachel among other visitors.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Not really.

All of the group's members

You mean the thugs and trolls.

Is Ash still around?

Of course he is, Donkey.

We're all there.

They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

AAPC is Usenet, not Facebook.

Usenet AAPC is Usenet. The Official AAPC FB Group is Facebook.

Please try to keep up, Donkey.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

--

We've been enjoying the peaceful situation since you and your fellow
thug trolls gave up on your flame war.

Don't worry, AAPC is alive and well, and good riddance to the trolls and thugs.

Again, have fun playing with your socks.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:52:51 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:28:47 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 20:14:39 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for >>>>>>> over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT

The Facebook page ^^^

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

Usenet newsgroup archives on JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

The Usenet newsgroup portal for AAPC ^^^

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

You and George are still here.

And Jordy, Zod and Rachel among other visitors.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Not really.

All of the group's members

You mean the thugs and trolls.

Is Ash still around?

Of course he is, Donkey.

We're all there.

They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

AAPC is Usenet, not Facebook.

Usenet AAPC is Usenet. The Official AAPC FB Group is Facebook.

Please try to keep up, Donkey.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

--

We've been enjoying the peaceful situation since you and your fellow
thug trolls gave up on your flame war.

Don't worry, AAPC is alive and well, and good riddance to the trolls and >>> thugs.

Again, have fun playing with your socks.

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Right now we have George Dance, Jordy, Rachel, Zod and myself.

That's a good core group to build on.

No, Donkey. It's really not.

And again, best of luck and good riddance to you and your fellow trolls

Have fun playing with your socks.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:54:55 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:23:20 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:17:02 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 14:16:34 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 9:03:21 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

George J. Dance wrote:

A silly young burro named Bobby
Joined a poetry group for a hobby.
His output was thin,
But he tried to fit in
By acting exceedingly snobby.

Whatever happened to Bobby Burrows?

Same thing that happened to everyone else from Usenet AAPC

A heads up Pendragon, the complete unbroken thread for this and other
newsgroup AAPC posts can be viewed and responded to at JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

This Usenet newsgroup portal might be more user friendly to the Facebook >>> types.

HTH and HAND.

They aren't going to come back, Donkey.

They left because they can't stand being around you.

Why should anyone want to come here to have their poetry and
conversations buried under a barrage of slurp-posts between you and your
slurp-puppet?

Why should anyone want to come here to get sucked into an endless series
of flame wars with a moronic, illiterate redneck and his imbecilic
socks?

You've driven everyone away. Again.

It's just you and your socks now.

Forever.

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Don you really think your gang of malicious trolls are missed?

Absolutely not

Good luck and good riddance to the lot of you.

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

HTH and HAND.

The fact that you keep attempting to troll them back here speaks
otherwise.

And don't call me Don.

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On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for
over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT >>>>
But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

Usenet newsgroup archives on JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. You and Will are still there. I'm still here in
RAP, one of the groups you're crossposting to.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Yep; aapc is now the Monkey and the Donkey, just as Karen Tellefsen
predicted two years ago:

<quote>

Monkey Shines

Round this newsgroup's sorry remains
the monkey mocked the donkey.
The monkey though himself quite the wag,
and donkey a fine target.

A penny for a silly verse,
A nickel for an insult.
That's how Usenet went downhill.
Don't troll the donkey.

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left.
They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. Your online friends left aapc for your facebook
group because they couldn't post to usenet after google stopped
supporting it.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

No, that's another lie, Lying Michael. There were plenty of people
posting on aapc 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago when you actually
began posting there, including more than one of your online friends.

Your lie doesn't even make sense; if there wree only two people posting
on aapc, then who was supposedly getting "fed up" with them?

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:29:02 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:06:30 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

Will Dockery wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 14:16:34 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Mon, 27 Jan 2025 9:03:21 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

George J. Dance wrote:

A silly young burro named Bobby
Joined a poetry group for a hobby.
His output was thin,
But he tried to fit in
By acting exceedingly snobby.

Whatever happened to Bobby Burrows?

Same thing that happened to everyone else from Usenet AAPC

A heads up Pendragon, the complete unbroken thread for this and other >>>>> newsgroup AAPC posts can be viewed and responded to at JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

This Usenet newsgroup portal might be more user friendly to the Facebook >>>>> types.

HTH and HAND.

They aren't going to come back, Donkey.

They left because they can't stand being around you.

Why should anyone want to come here to have their poetry and
conversations buried under a barrage of slurp-posts between you and your >>>> slurp-puppet?

Why should anyone want to come here to get sucked into an endless series >>>> of flame wars with a moronic, illiterate redneck and his imbecilic
socks?

You've driven everyone away. Again.

It's just you and your socks now.

Forever.

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Don you really think your gang of malicious trolls are missed?

Absolutely not


Good luck and good riddance to the lot of you.


http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563


HTH and HAND.

The fact that you keep attempting to troll

Look who's talking, Michael Pendragon the self proclaimed super troll.

https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255250&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255250

A super troll is not the same thing as a troll, Donkey.

A super troll is someone who is deemed a valuable member of the group.
His presence there is highly prized.

Because he is considered such an important part of the group, he is
allowed to engage in troll-like behavior with impunity.

In my case, I only troll those who I perceive to be trolls.

When I thought that PJR and friends were trolling the group, I trolled
them.

When I realized that you and your socks were the real trolls, I trolled
you.

Similarly, I don't troll anyone at the Official AAPC FB Group, because
as a lightly moderated group, it's entirely free of trolls.

In the end, it boils down to a matter of perception.

You will never see yourself as the real troll, because you have
convinced yourself that everyone else is a "malicious troll" who has
placed you on their Lits O Haet out of jealousy.

You have unwittingly created this misperception as a means of protecting
your ego. To wit: the reason people either constructively criticize or
condemn your poetry isn't because it's so goddawful bad ("unspeakable
shit"), but because they have a hate on for you.

Admitting to the truth, would puncture your ego -- so your misperception
is fated to forever remain.

And, as a result, you will continue to make yourself an anathema to any
new members that might (I'm mean there is always that possibility,
regardless of how small) actually come here.

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:25:57 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

Sure, there's been a Facebook page about alt.arts.poetry.comments for >>>>> over a decade:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/105463832836304/?ref=share&mibextid=NSMWBT

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

Usenet newsgroup archives on JLA Forums:

http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=633422563

HTH and HAND.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. You and Will are still there. I'm still here in
RAP, one of the groups you're crossposting to.

I'm only dropping by for a visit, George.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Yep; aapc is now the Monkey and the Donkey, just as Karen Tellefsen
predicted two years ago:

Again, it has only been Monkey-Donkey for a few days, and will soon be
only Donkey again when I leave.

<quote>

Monkey Shines

Round this newsgroup's sorry remains
the monkey mocked the donkey.
The monkey though himself quite the wag,
and donkey a fine target.

A penny for a silly verse,
A nickel for an insult.
That's how Usenet went downhill.
Don't troll the donkey.

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left.
They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. Your online friends left aapc for your facebook
group because they couldn't post to usenet after google stopped
supporting it.

It took a couple of attempts for my NovaBBS account to go through, but
once it did, I have been able to post (as you can see).

The others *could* have switched over to a Newsreader, had they chosen
to do so.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

No, that's another lie, Lying Michael. There were plenty of people
posting on aapc 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago when you actually
began posting there, including more than one of your online friends.

As previously noted: when I first posted here in 2010, I stayed for
several days. At that time, there was only you, your Donkey, and a ton
of spam for Vicodin and Viagra.

Theoretically, there could have been "plenty" of others posting here who
had all decided to take a few days off... however, the overwhelming
number of spam posts is usually indicative of a group that has become
stagnant.

Your lie doesn't even make sense; if there wree only two people posting
on aapc, then who was supposedly getting "fed up" with them?

Are you really that dense, George?

When I first came here in 2010, your Donkey had just driven all of the
others away. I can only assume that they were the "regulars" PJR was
always referring to, but who were long gone when I started posting
regularly in 2015.

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:18:21 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:25:57 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. You and Will are still there. I'm still here in
RAP, one of the groups you're crossposting to.

I'm only dropping by for a visit, George.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Yep; aapc is now the Monkey and the Donkey, just as Karen Tellefsen
predicted two years ago:
<quote>

Monkey Shines

Round this newsgroup's sorry remains
the monkey mocked the donkey.
The monkey though himself quite the wag,
and donkey a fine target.

A penny for a silly verse,
A nickel for an insult.
That's how Usenet went downhill.
Don't troll the donkey.

</q>

Again, it has only been Monkey-Donkey for a few days, and will soon be
only Donkey again when I leave.

You've already been playing it for a month, and I expect you'll still be playing it a month from now. How time flies when you're having fun!

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left.
They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. Your online friends left aapc for your facebook
group because they couldn't post to usenet after google stopped
supporting it.

It took a couple of attempts for my NovaBBS account to go through, but
once it did, I have been able to post (as you can see).

So what? We're discussing why your online friends left aapc, not whether
they can return or not.

The others *could* have switched over to a Newsreader, had they chosen
to do so.

I doubt any of them knew how to use a Newsreader at the time, either
(except Cujo de Sockpuppet, of course). No reason they should, of
course.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

No, that's another lie, Lying Michael. There were plenty of people
posting on aapc 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago when you actually
began posting there, including more than one of your online friends.

As previously noted: when I first posted here in 2010, I stayed for
several days. At that time, there was only you, your Donkey, and a ton
of spam for Vicodin and Viagra.

No, Laying Michael. I don't have a full list of people posting there in
aapc, but I do remember it included at least two of your online friends
now on your facebook page - your Chimp, and Corey Conman. So give it up.

Theoretically, there could have been "plenty" of others posting here who
had all decided to take a few days off... however, the overwhelming
number of spam posts is usually indicative of a group that has become stagnant.

Every public group, on usenet or facebook attracts spam posts; IME, high-traffic groups attract more of it (because high traffic means more potential customers). The only way to eliminate it is to control who can
post, which is not possible in an alt. group like aapc.

Your lie doesn't even make sense; if there wree only two people posting
on aapc, then who was supposedly getting "fed up" with them?

Are you really that dense, George?

When I first came here in 2010, your Donkey had just driven all of the
others away.

Will did not "drive away" either your Chimp or the Conman, as noted.
Neither did he drive away "PJR" and his assorted trolls, who were still
here until about 2016 or so. As I told you, you were trying to rewrite
history; give is up.

I can only assume that they were the "regulars" PJR was
always referring to, but who were long gone when I started posting
regularly in 2015.

Since Piggy Ross was referring to them, he obviously had not been
"driven away" even by 2014 (when you actually began posting), either.
Nor was his online friend Gary Gamble (who was posting under a different
sock), nor his flunkie Cujo de Sockpuppet, It was a pretty lively list
in those days. There were lots of people on aapc, both in 2010 and in
2014.

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:25:45 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:18:21 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:25:57 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. You and Will are still there. I'm still here in
RAP, one of the groups you're crossposting to.

I'm only dropping by for a visit, George.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

Yep; aapc is now the Monkey and the Donkey, just as Karen Tellefsen
predicted two years ago:
<quote>

Monkey Shines

Round this newsgroup's sorry remains
the monkey mocked the donkey.
The monkey though himself quite the wag,
and donkey a fine target.

A penny for a silly verse,
A nickel for an insult.
That's how Usenet went downhill.
Don't troll the donkey.

</q>

Again, it has only been Monkey-Donkey for a few days, and will soon be
only Donkey again when I leave.

You've already been playing it for a month, and I expect you'll still be playing it a month from now. How time flies when you're having fun!

I have already said my goodbye to your Donkey, George, and am now
offering you the same.

All Usenet conversations eventually reach a point whereat the discussion becomes repetitive; and I'm afraid that such has become the case with
this one.

Out of courtesy, I shall respond to this post, and any others you might
have made in the interim; after which I shall be taking my leave.

I shall be dropping by again at some future date -- but precisely when
is anybody's guess.

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left.
They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. Your online friends left aapc for your facebook
group because they couldn't post to usenet after google stopped
supporting it.

It took a couple of attempts for my NovaBBS account to go through, but
once it did, I have been able to post (as you can see).

So what? We're discussing why your online friends left aapc, not whether
they can return or not.

That's what I've been attempting to explain to your Donkey, George.

(I can't say as I blame you for avoiding the bulk of his posts.)

The others *could* have switched over to a Newsreader, had they chosen
to do so.

I doubt any of them knew how to use a Newsreader at the time, either
(except Cujo de Sockpuppet, of course). No reason they should, of
course.

It's not rocket science, George.

In fact, it's little different than using Google Groups.

And didn't you claim that Jim was posting here as late as November 2024
(i.e., post-Google Groups)?

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone
with George Dance and desperate for company.

No, that's another lie, Lying Michael. There were plenty of people
posting on aapc 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago when you actually
began posting there, including more than one of your online friends.

As previously noted: when I first posted here in 2010, I stayed for
several days. At that time, there was only you, your Donkey, and a ton
of spam for Vicodin and Viagra.

No, Laying Michael. I don't have a full list of people posting there in
aapc, but I do remember it included at least two of your online friends
now on your facebook page - your Chimp, and Corey Conman. So give it up.

As I said, I had only checked out the group for a few days. It is
possible that Corey and Jim were elsewhere at that time.

I don't recall Jim being around until several years after I'd returned
to the group in 2014 (I'll take your word as to that date).

Theoretically, there could have been "plenty" of others posting here who
had all decided to take a few days off... however, the overwhelming
number of spam posts is usually indicative of a group that has become
stagnant.

Every public group, on usenet or facebook attracts spam posts; IME, high-traffic groups attract more of it (because high traffic means more potential customers). The only way to eliminate it is to control who can post, which is not possible in an alt. group like aapc.

That has not been my experience, George. The alt.50s group rarely
received that sort of spam because when they did, it was immediately
reported. The 50s group had a much larger membership than AAPC.

OTOH, various sites that had gone out of use, had become dumping grounds
for spam. IMHO, AAPC was well on its way to becoming one of those
dumping grounds.

Your lie doesn't even make sense; if there wree only two people posting
on aapc, then who was supposedly getting "fed up" with them?

Are you really that dense, George?

When I first came here in 2010, your Donkey had just driven all of the
others away.

Will did not "drive away" either your Chimp or the Conman, as noted.
Neither did he drive away "PJR" and his assorted trolls, who were still
here until about 2016 or so. As I told you, you were trying to rewrite history; give is up.

Consider the following scenario:

You wake up, brush your teeth, gargle with mouthwash, shave, shower,
iron your clothes, dress, and top it off with an unobtrusive touch of
cologne.

Being conscientious by nature, you opt for public transportation (in
this case, a bus).

One day, a "smelly old bum... who hasn't showered in a year" (to use the
words of a Weird Al Yankovic song) sits beside you.

You are physically and emotionally repulsed by his presence, and are
appalled at the possibility that his filth, and its adherent stench,
will rub off onto your clothes. You even consider the probability that
he is harboring colonies of lice, fleas, bedbugs, and possibly life
threatening disease... but being a considerate person, you choke back
your feelings of disgust, and suffer through the experience.

Unfortunately, no good deed, as they say, goes unpunished. As a
consequence of your consideration toward him, the bum seeks you out as
his seat mate on all future rides.

You being praying that someone else -- anyone else -- will take the
available seat before he gets on. But since there is an unspoken rule
that commuters should always choose one of a pair of vacant seats before
opting to sit beside someone else, the bum can usually secure his seat
beside you.

As a result, you soon begin to dread taking the bus to and from work
every day. And when a co-worker from a neighboring town asks you if
you'd like to join their carpool, you jump at the opportunity.

Has the bum effectively driven you off of the bus?

I can only assume that they were the "regulars" PJR was
always referring to, but who were long gone when I started posting
regularly in 2015.

Since Piggy Ross was referring to them, he obviously had not been
"driven away" even by 2014 (when you actually began posting), either.

Please stop with the childish name-calling, George. Peter Ross no
longer comes to this group, and it is beyond petty (even for you) to
continue calling him names in his absence.

In 2014, Peter Ross only dropped by the group sporadically. When he did
so (and only when he did so), other posters would suddenly materialize
to take part in the conversations he'd initiate (Horatio, Gwyneth, Cujo, Aratzio, etc.).

The impression I received was that the group had dwindled down to three regularly posting members: Will, Corey, and you; and that PJR was a
former member who would arrive out of nowhere with an entourage -- and
depart just as suddenly with them in tow.

PJR also repeatedly expressed at that time that he had no desire to
converse with you, Will or Corey -- as he considered you al to be
illiterate, stupid, drug addled, and plagiarists.

It was as if *two* very separate AAPC groups were sharing the same
space. Your group (which Peter dubbed "Team Dunce") was constantly here.
Peter's group came sporadically (that is, whenever Peter felt like it).

Claiming that you were a cohesive group is wishful thinking on your
part.

Nor was his online friend Gary Gamble (who was posting under a different sock), nor his flunkie Cujo de Sockpuppet, It was a pretty lively list
in those days. There were lots of people on aapc, both in 2010 and in
2014.

AFAIK, Gary Gamble never posted here since I've been around.

And the reason why PJR (and his entourage) only posted sporadically was
because you and your Donkey had driven all of the former group members
away.

I sincerely hope that I've cleared things up for you. Sometimes a fresh
pair of eyes are what is needed to see the situation for what it is.

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On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 21:09:28 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 18:50:18 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 17:25:45 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 16:18:21 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jan 2025 14:25:57 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:51:09 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 19:00:01 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 18:13:50 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2025 17:16:16 +0000, Will Dockery wrote:

But a. a. p. c. Is a Usenet newsgroup above all else.

It *was* a newsgroup

No, it still exists, obviously, since here we are.

😏

Wrong, Donkey. You and George are still here.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. You and Will are still there. I'm still here in >>>>> RAP, one of the groups you're crossposting to.

I'm only dropping by for a visit, George.

Usenet AAPC is more of a newsduo.

There's also Jordy, Zod, Rachel with David Dalton and others dropping by
from time to time.

Not a large group but a solid core group.

Yep; aapc is now the Monkey and the Donkey, just as Karen Tellefsen
predicted two years ago:
<quote>

Monkey Shines

Round this newsgroup's sorry remains
the monkey mocked the donkey.
The monkey though himself quite the wag,
and donkey a fine target.

A penny for a silly verse,
A nickel for an insult.
That's how Usenet went downhill.
Don't troll the donkey.

</q>

Again, it has only been Monkey-Donkey for a few days

I'm sure Zod, Jordy and Rachel will be posting again shortly, the snow
and fires might have distracted them.

You've already been playing it for a month, and I expect you'll still be >>> playing it a month from now. How time flies when you're having fun!

I have already said my goodbye

Okay, best of luck and good riddance, again.

If only we could be sure he'd leave. That was the problem with the
Monkey Cage (as I used to call his "Usenet version" of AYOS) - we'd stay
out of it, but they would not stay in. I really hoped that, after they
moved the Cage over to Facebook, they would stay there; but we can't
trust them to do that, either.

All Usenet conversations eventually reach a point whereat the discussion
becomes repetitive; and I'm afraid that such has become the case with
this one.

Out of courtesy, I shall respond to this post, and any others you might
have made in the interim; after which I shall be taking my leave.

I shall be dropping by again at some future date -- but precisely when
is anybody's guess.

Almost perfect second hand of Peter J. Ross.

😏

All of the group's members got fed up with you and George and left. >>>>>> They've all relocated to the Official AAPC Group on FB.

Wrong, Michael Monkey. Your online friends left aapc for your facebook >>>>> group because they couldn't post to usenet after google stopped
supporting it.

It took a couple of attempts for my NovaBBS account to go through, but >>>> once it did, I have been able to post (as you can see).

So what? We're discussing why your online friends left aapc, not whether >>> they can return or not.

That's what I've been attempting to explain

No explanation required.

Usenet newsgroups exist for those with an interest in using them.

The others *could* have switched over to a Newsreader, had they chosen >>>> to do so.

I doubt any of them knew how to use a Newsreader at the time, either
(except Cujo de Sockpuppet, of course). No reason they should, of
course.

It's not rocket science, George.

Yet people like Nancy Gene and Jim Senetto never seemed to understand
that there's more than Google Groups happening here.

In fact, it's little different than using Google Groups.

And didn't you claim that Jim was posting here as late as November 2024
(i.e., post-Google Groups)?

I think Google Groups renamed in operation until February 2024.

You're back where you were 15 years ago when I first came here: alone >>>>>> with George Dance and desperate for company.

No, that's another lie, Lying Michael. There were plenty of people
posting on aapc 15 years ago, and even 10 years ago when you actually >>>>> began posting there, including more than one of your online friends.

And I expect there will be again, now that Michael Pendragon and his
gang of troll thugs are gone.

As previously noted: when I first posted here in 2010, I stayed for
several days. At that time, there was only you, your Donkey, and a ton >>>> of spam for Vicodin and Viagra.

No, Laying Michael. I don't have a full list of people posting there in
aapc, but I do remember it included at least two of your online friends
now on your facebook page - your Chimp, and Corey Conman. So give it up.

Yes, J. Corey Connor has posted here for over twenty years, and Jim
Senetto was posting as far back as 2007 or so, under his Blackpool Jimmy alias.

Of course as their online friend the Lime sock would know that. But as
you say he lies and misrepresents about anything.

As I said, I had only checked out the group for a few days. It is
possible that Corey and Jim were elsewhere at that time.

Both Corry and Senetto came and went frequently, but they were well
known regulars.

I don't recall Jim being around until several years after I'd returned
to the group in 2014 (I'll take your word as to that date).

Blackpool Jimmy was definitely around 2007-2009 and we were friendly
during those years.

Theoretically, there could have been "plenty" of others posting here who >>>> had all decided to take a few days off... however, the overwhelming
number of spam posts is usually indicative of a group that has become
stagnant.

Every public group, on usenet or facebook attracts spam posts; IME,
high-traffic groups attract more of it (because high traffic means more
potential customers). The only way to eliminate it is to control who can >>> post, which is not possible in an alt. group like aapc.

That has not been my experience, George. The alt.50s group rarely
received that sort of spam because when they did, it was immediately
reported. The 50s group had a much larger membership than AAPC.

Not in the heyday of a.a.p.c.

As far as I remember, no one reported spam here; we "skipped and
ignored" it in those days.

OTOH, various sites that had gone out of use, had become dumping grounds
for spam. IMHO, AAPC was well on its way to becoming one of those
dumping grounds.

Your lie doesn't even make sense; if there wree only two people posting >>>>> on aapc, then who was supposedly getting "fed up" with them?

Exactly.

There was Gray Gamble, JRS, Karla Rogers, Tom Bishop, Cook...

Tom died in 2007. (I just looked it up on PPP; a great asset.)

The list of regulars of that era is long.

Are you really that dense, George?

Back to your childish insults already, Pendragon?

Does he ever stop?

When I first came here in 2010, had just driven all of the
others away.

That's absurd, not to mention a blatant lie.

Will did not "drive away" either your Chimp or the Conman, as noted.
Neither did he drive away "PJR" and his assorted trolls, who were still
here until about 2016 or so. As I told you, you were trying to rewrite
history; give is up.

Why does Michael Pendragon lie and misrepresent so much?

As I said a while back, I think it comes from being abused as a child.
Which reminds me; that thread's been sitting without any activity for a
while.

I can only assume that they were the "regulars" PJR was
always referring to, but who were long gone when I started posting
regularly in 2015.

Since Piggy Ross was referring to them, he obviously had not been
"driven away" even by 2014 (when you actually began posting), either.

Please stop with the childish name-calling

Look who's talking.

😏

In 2014, Peter Ross only dropped by the group sporadically. When he did
so (and only when he did so), other posters would suddenly materialize
to take part in the conversations he'd initiate (Horatio, Gwyneth, Cujo,
Aratzio, etc.).

The impression I received was that the group had dwindled down to three
regularly posting members: Will, Corey, and you; and that PJR was a
former member who would arrive out of nowhere with an entourage -- and
depart just as suddenly with them in tow.

Yes, and it wouldn't surprise me to see PJR back here at any time.

Nor was his online friend Gary Gamble (who was posting under a different >>> sock), nor his flunkie Cujo de Sockpuppet, It was a pretty lively list
in those days. There were lots of people on aapc, both in 2010 and in
2014.

AFAIK, Gary Gamble never posted here since I've been around.

Gary Gamble used another name for the last years he posted here.

George Dance might remember the moniker GG used at the end, I don't,
right now.

"Generic". I used to call him "The Generic Troll."

And so it was.

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