• Re: My crossposting

    From David Dalton@21:1/5 to W.Dockery on Fri Jan 31 20:23:49 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many groups. Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it
    happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems,
    alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “But them hungry bears'd rather they be free
    Oh merry Mary won't you marry me" (Bill Bourne)

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sat Feb 1 13:41:20 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it
    happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems,
    alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    And a big hi from me, too, Dr. Dalton, to both you and your wife, the
    better poet (I mean, better than both of us. 😏)

    I don't think that NG ever understood the point of crossposting, as they
    (their preferred pronoun) posted on usenet only through Google groups
    (which stopped allowing it before NG ever showed up). I don't think they
    ever realized that posting to usenet was any different from posting on a
    web forum; they did not understand that each posted message was
    bandwidth travelling all over the country to multiple servers, and that
    the point of crossposting was to keep it down, because they had no
    conception of that ecwn happening.

    To avoid trolls, I used to post individual copies of the same message to different groups; but not only was that more work for me, but it was
    also putting more strain on usenet itself. So I've ended up going back
    to crossposting myself, at the explicit request of the NovaBBS head
    honcho, RetroGuy, himself.

    In short: there is no reason to think you have to defend, justify, or
    excuse crossposting here. On the contrary, crossposting is the
    reasonable default.

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to W.Dockery on Sat Feb 1 20:43:46 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Feb 1, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cee5a98154f5702a9c2abc7be8466ab8@www.novabbs.com>):

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems, alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    Anything new on the poetry scene up in your neck of the woods?

    There is a dance stage production Oderin based on the
    poetry book of the same name by Agnes Walsh, I
    think on right now at the St. John’s Arts and Culture Centre.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “I'm on my way, and I must flag the lass train down" (Bill Bourne: ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0jjvslUuY (: Baggins)

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  • From David Dalton@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Sat Feb 1 20:42:05 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Feb 1, 2025, George J. Dance wrote
    (in article<bfec800c78ca2b75f8a2f463411beca8@www.novabbs.com>):

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems, alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    And a big hi from me, too, Dr. Dalton, to both you and your wife, the
    better poet (I mean, better than both of us. 😏)

    You mean my sister Mary, I guess.

    --
    David Dalton dalton@nfld.com https://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page) https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page) “I'm on my way, and I must flag the lass train down" (Bill Bourne: ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_x0jjvslUuY (: Baggins)

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to W.Dockery on Sun Feb 2 05:34:34 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 17:49:33 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 13:41:18 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it
    happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems,
    alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    And a big hi from me, too, Dr. Dalton, to both you and your wife, the
    better poet (I mean, better than both of us. 😏)

    I don't think that NG ever understood the point of crossposting, as they
    (their preferred pronoun) posted on usenet only through Google groups
    (which stopped allowing it before NG ever showed up). I don't think they
    ever realized that posting to usenet was any different from posting on a
    web forum; they did not understand that each posted message was
    bandwidth travelling all over the country to multiple servers, and that
    the point of crossposting was to keep it down, because they had no
    conception of that ecwn happening.

    To avoid trolls, I used to post individual copies of the same message to
    different groups; but not only was that more work for me, but it was
    also putting more strain on usenet itself. So I've ended up going back
    to crossposting myself, at the explicit request of the NovaBBS head
    honcho, RetroGuy, himself.

    In short: there is no reason to think you have to defend, justify, or
    excuse crossposting here. On the contrary, crossposting is the
    reasonable default.

    A quick note about posting the same message individually, George.

    A while back Retro Guy wrote that this method doesn't work on Nova BBS, repeats like that for whatever reason don't go to Usenet as a whole, but traditional crossposts do.

    I don't know all the technical details so hopefully Retro Guy will see
    this and explain it again.

    I think that's the post that got me back to crossposting; IIRC, it was
    the way he'd configured NovaBBS, to stop identical posts to different
    lists (multiposts) within the same time period. I paid special attention
    to that, because some of my PPB: posts were showing up on only one
    group. So I made late postings of the ones that hadn't showed up, and
    then switched over to crossposting all of them to the 3 supported
    groups, with no problems to date.

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to David Dalton on Sun Feb 2 05:27:00 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Sun, 2 Feb 2025 0:12:05 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Feb 1, 2025, George J. Dance wrote
    (in article<bfec800c78ca2b75f8a2f463411beca8@www.novabbs.com>):

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it
    happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems,
    alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Indeed I did mean Mary Dalton. Sorry, I thought she was your wife.

    I hope you read the rest of what I wrote before you snipped it.

    Hi there Will.

    And a big hi from me, too, Dr. Dalton, to both you and your wife, the
    better poet (I mean, better than both of us. 😏)

    You mean my sister Mary, I guess.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to W.Dockery on Sun Feb 2 13:38:02 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 17:49:33 +0000, W.Dockery wrote:

    On Sat, 1 Feb 2025 13:41:18 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

    On Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:53:49 +0000, David Dalton wrote:

    On Jan 29, 2025, W.Dockery wrote
    (in article<cfdac30a4d3491222db88b2e095c9c99@www.novabbs.com>):

    David Dalton wrote:

    NancyGene wrote:

    Mr. Dalton appears to think that his name should appear in many
    groups.
    Blame
    it on the moon.
    Most of the groups I post to are ultra low traffic, which is partly
    why I crosspost to many of them, to gather the few readers
    in all of them. However I acknowledge that this group and
    alt.atheism are higher traffic. But I did not intend, nor has it
    happened, that the crosspost result in a flame war between
    the groups. Also perhaps I should have been more careful
    to gather like groups, e.g. this group, rec.arts.poems,
    alt.music.lyrics, and rec.music.makers.songwriting, rather
    than the crosspost I made to five groups I have been
    “hanging out on” plus this group that I recently returned to.

    I will try to be more selective in any future crossposts.

    Hello there David, long time no see.

    😏

    Hi there Will.

    And a big hi from me, too, Dr. Dalton, to both you and your wife, the
    better poet (I mean, better than both of us. 😏)

    I don't think that NG ever understood the point of crossposting, as they
    (their preferred pronoun) posted on usenet only through Google groups
    (which stopped allowing it before NG ever showed up). I don't think they
    ever realized that posting to usenet was any different from posting on a
    web forum; they did not understand that each posted message was
    bandwidth travelling all over the country to multiple servers, and that
    the point of crossposting was to keep it down, because they had no
    conception of that ecwn happening.

    To avoid trolls, I used to post individual copies of the same message to
    different groups; but not only was that more work for me, but it was
    also putting more strain on usenet itself. So I've ended up going back
    to crossposting myself, at the explicit request of the NovaBBS head
    honcho, RetroGuy, himself.

    In short: there is no reason to think you have to defend, justify, or
    excuse crossposting here. On the contrary, crossposting is the
    reasonable default.

    A quick note about posting the same message individually, George.

    A while back Retro Guy wrote that this method doesn't work on Nova BBS, repeats like that for whatever reason don't go to Usenet as a whole, but traditional crossposts do.

    I don't know all the technical details so hopefully Retro Guy will see
    this and explain it again.

    It's meant to be an anti-spam measure, and seems to work well at that.
    Many times, spammers just paste the same message to one group after
    another. This blocking helps reduce that issue. Then, by limiting the
    number of groups when crossposting, you reduce the effect of a spam
    flood.

    Multiposting is also irritiating for users reading using newsreader
    software. If an article is a crosspost, most newsreaders mark it as
    "READ" in all the groups it is crossposted to once you read it. But
    multiposted articles show up as "NEW' in each and every group they are
    sent to, whether you read them in one or not.

    Also, consider that the most popular software for Usenet distribution
    (inn), keeps only one copy of an article in it's database for
    crossposted articles, but must keep individiual copies for multiposted articles. Multiposting can be a waste of disk space.

    --
    Retro Guy

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