• Harry Liar recycles an old Pedodragon lie

    From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to HarryLime on Fri Feb 7 19:08:39 2025
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    from https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255723&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255723

    On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles, but
    you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights
    than any other organization.

    No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone
    above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was
    the only
    group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe"
    when
    you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.

    I have your original statement on file, George, and can repost it if necessary.

    You later retracted that claim, but the
    damage to your reputation had already been done.

    No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above
    the
    age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and
    misrepresent that claim.

    No one ever said that sex, gay or straight, between two people above the
    age of consent should not be legal, George.

    This is yet another attempt at a straw man argument on your part -- not
    to mention a pathetic attempt to turn the discussion away from what
    you'd actually said.

    No, it isn't, Lying Michael; but that means that we'll have to see what
    I
    "actually said."

    Which means that I'm going to have to repost your *actual* statement in context:

    MMP: As previously noted (do try to get some reading comprehension
    skills, old man), I have never made an issue of the participants' sex.

    DUNCE: Another Pedodragon lie. You've ranted and raved for a month about
    the group that's done the most to fight the above discrimination.

    MMP: NAMBLA??? Are you seriously attempting to argue that NAMBLA is spearheading the fight against sexual discrimination???
    [END OF QUOTED PASSAGE]
    I like how you snipped your last paragraph, where you answer your own
    question:
    <quote>
    "*** That's right. George Dunce believes that NAMBLA is "the group
    that's done the most to fight (sexual) discrimination." He also accused
    me of being a "homophobe" and a "Nazi" for having attacked them." </q>

    As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
    above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
    of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
    made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
    general), which you've now changed (to claim I
    was talking about "LGBT rights").

    First you posted under the title of "DUNCE OUTED!!!" on December 7,
    2017. I responded the same day, to tell you that was not what I was
    talking about:

    <quote>
    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:53:01 AM UTC-5,
    michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
    <sigh> Yet another Pedodragon lie. I called Pedodragon a fascist because
    he wants to criminalize sex for people over the age of consent,
    including gays: specifically, gays between the age of consent and the unspecified higher age for anal sex he's advocating.
    I did point out that NAMBLA's been fighting the legal battle against the
    pedo's homophobic laws for decades, and here in Canada at least the "pedophiles" (as he'd call them) on the Supreme Court have agreed with
    them: those laws are unconstitutional. </q> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EnkIgYG-nwk/m/k-23aCsLAQAJ

    I also responded to your Chimp's backup flaming on the same thread:

    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:32:53 AM UTC-5, drive-by wrote:
    NAMBLA fights age restrictions regarding young boys

    Boys 16-21, in the case of the laws we were discussing.

    under the guise of 'freedom of speech' to avoid crossing the line into a cell..Pedophilia is alive and well, unfortunately, but NAMBLA is
    basically defunct at this point.
    Homophobia and Nazi originated from the lips of Pickering

    "Nazi" was a Pendragon lie. I called him a fascist, because he wants to
    throw even (some) adults into jail for having consensual sex.
    And he's clearly a homophobe if he wants to throw males 17-21 into jail
    just for having anal sex.
    And he's a stupid homophobe if he really believes that throwing anyone
    in jail is going to protect them from the risks of anal sex.


    You responded by snipping what I told you. Then, you posted the same
    deceptive post the next day, under the title of "GEORGE DANCE,
    NAMBLA-MAN," where you claimed that by "fight[ing] the above
    discrimination" I was talking about "human rights" in general. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/V91D2MnuxtU/m/3t8tdrL-BgAJ

    The only replies to that one were two sock puppets: one using my name,
    and one using Zod's.

    You may have actually posted that deceitful, out-of-context post more
    than twice, but those were the only two I've tracked down.

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  • From HarryLime@21:1/5 to George J. Dance on Fri Feb 7 19:41:18 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:08:35 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

    from https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255723&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255723

    On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka "HarryLime" wrote:
    You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles, but
    you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights >>>> than any other organization.

    No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone
    above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was
    the only
    group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe"
    when
    you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.

    I have your original statement on file, George, and can repost it if
    necessary.

    You later retracted that claim, but the
    damage to your reputation had already been done.

    No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above >>> the
    age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and
    misrepresent that claim.

    No one ever said that sex, gay or straight, between two people above the
    age of consent should not be legal, George.

    This is yet another attempt at a straw man argument on your part -- not
    to mention a pathetic attempt to turn the discussion away from what
    you'd actually said.

    No, it isn't, Lying Michael; but that means that we'll have to see what
    I
    "actually said."

    Agreed, duplicitous George. That's why I'd *reposted* it (in context) immediately below.

    Which means that I'm going to have to repost your *actual* statement in
    context:

    MMP: As previously noted (do try to get some reading comprehension
    skills, old man), I have never made an issue of the participants' sex.

    DUNCE: Another Pedodragon lie. You've ranted and raved for a month about
    the group that's done the most to fight the above discrimination.

    MMP: NAMBLA??? Are you seriously attempting to argue that NAMBLA is
    spearheading the fight against sexual discrimination???
    [END OF QUOTED PASSAGE]
    I like how you snipped your last paragraph, where you answer your own question:
    <quote>
    "*** That's right. George Dunce believes that NAMBLA is "the group
    that's done the most to fight (sexual) discrimination." He also accused
    me of being a "homophobe" and a "Nazi" for having attacked them." </q>

    As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
    above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
    of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
    made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in general), which you've now changed (to claim I
    was talking about "LGBT rights").

    IIRC, "LGBT rights" is what *you* had told me it was in reference to at
    the time.


    First you posted under the title of "DUNCE OUTED!!!" on December 7,
    2017. I responded the same day, to tell you that was not what I was
    talking about:

    <quote>
    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:53:01 AM UTC-5,
    michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
    <sigh> Yet another Pedodragon lie. I called Pedodragon a fascist because
    he wants to criminalize sex for people over the age of consent,
    including gays: specifically, gays between the age of consent and the unspecified higher age for anal sex he's advocating.
    I did point out that NAMBLA's been fighting the legal battle against the pedo's homophobic laws for decades, and here in Canada at least the "pedophiles" (as he'd call them) on the Supreme Court have agreed with
    them: those laws are unconstitutional. </q> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EnkIgYG-nwk/m/k-23aCsLAQAJ

    You seem to be supporting your claims even now, George. But go on.


    I also responded to your Chimp's backup flaming on the same thread:

    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:32:53 AM UTC-5, drive-by wrote:
    NAMBLA fights age restrictions regarding young boys

    Boys 16-21, in the case of the laws we were discussing.

    under the guise of 'freedom of speech' to avoid crossing the line into a
    cell..Pedophilia is alive and well, unfortunately, but NAMBLA is
    basically defunct at this point.
    Homophobia and Nazi originated from the lips of Pickering

    "Nazi" was a Pendragon lie. I called him a fascist, because he wants to
    throw even (some) adults into jail for having consensual sex.

    "Nazi" and "fascist" are more or less interchangeable -- especially in
    informal conversation. A Nazi is a specific type of fascist.

    Nor have I ever advocated throwing adults into jail for having
    consensual sex. I argued that adults who had sex with *minors* should
    be thrown in jail -- with the age of a "minor" being determined by the
    state in which the "consensual" sex occurred.

    And he's clearly a homophobe if he wants to throw males 17-21 into jail
    just for having anal sex.

    You have failed to provide a quote to back up that statement, George --
    and I cannot imagine my ever having said such a thing.

    In fact, I never argued that the laws regarding homosexual sex should be
    any different from those regarding heterosexual sex.

    I don't care whether a 40-year old man is sticking his pecker in a man
    or a woman. But if they're sticking it in a person of either sex who's
    not of Legal Age, then they should be arrested for Statutory Rape --
    which is precisely what they are committing.

    And he's a stupid homophobe if he really believes that throwing anyone
    in jail is going to protect them from the risks of anal sex.


    I have never argued against anal sex, George.

    If a statutory rapist is having anal sex in jail, one can assume that
    his partners are all of Legal Age (otherwise they'd be in a Juvenile
    Detention facility).


    You responded by snipping what I told you. Then, you posted the same deceptive post the next day, under the title of "GEORGE DANCE,
    NAMBLA-MAN," where you claimed that by "fight[ing] the above
    discrimination" I was talking about "human rights" in general. https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/V91D2MnuxtU/m/3t8tdrL-BgAJ

    The only replies to that one were two sock puppets: one using my name,
    and one using Zod's.

    That sounds much more probable. I don't recall if I'd used socks in
    that instance, but it is at least something that I would have done.


    You may have actually posted that deceitful, out-of-context post more
    than twice, but those were the only two I've tracked down.

    LOL! I posted that DOZENS of times, George.

    After all, your claim that NAMBLA was "the group that's done the most to
    fight the above discrimination" was one worth repeating.

    One should know exactly the type of person that George Dance actually
    is.

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  • From George J. Dance@21:1/5 to HarryLime on Wed Jun 11 00:33:55 2025
    XPost: alt.arts.poetry.comments

    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:41:16 +0000, HarryLime wrote:

    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 19:08:35 +0000, George J. Dance wrote:

    from
    https://www.novabbs.com/arts/article-flat.php?id=255723&group=alt.arts.poetry.comments#255723

    On Mon, 3 Feb 2025 16:15:27 +0000, Michael Monkey Peabrain (MPP) aka
    "HarryLime" wrote:
    You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles, but
    you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights >>>>> than any other organization.

    No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone
    above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was
    the only
    group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe" >>>> when
    you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.

    I have your original statement on file, George, and can repost it if
    necessary.

    You later retracted that claim, but the
    damage to your reputation had already been done.

    No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above >>>> the
    age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and
    misrepresent that claim.

    No one ever said that sex, gay or straight, between two people above the >>> age of consent should not be legal, George.

    That is not true, Lying Michael. In Canada, at the time we're talking
    about, anal and oral sex was illegal for everyone (but adults over the
    age of 21 were exempted. As I told you, NAMBLA was the only group
    opposing that.

    This is yet another attempt at a straw man argument on your part -- not
    to mention a pathetic attempt to turn the discussion away from what
    you'd actually said.

    No, it isn't, Lying Michael; but that means that we'll have to see what
    I
    "actually said."

    Agreed, duplicitous George. That's why I'd *reposted* it (in context) immediately below.

    That is oot true, Lying Michael. You posted it completely out of
    context, as I just told you:
    As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
    above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what
    discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
    of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
    made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
    general), which you've now changed (to claim I
    was talking about "LGBT rights").

    Which means that I'm going to have to repost your *actual* statement in
    context:

    MMP: As previously noted (do try to get some reading comprehension
    skills, old man), I have never made an issue of the participants' sex.

    DUNCE: Another Pedodragon lie. You've ranted and raved for a month about >>> the group that's done the most to fight the above discrimination.

    MMP: NAMBLA??? Are you seriously attempting to argue that NAMBLA is
    spearheading the fight against sexual discrimination???
    [END OF QUOTED PASSAGE]

    Notice that you snipped the context (the "above discrimination" we were
    talking about) -- not only here, but in the original post of yours
    you're quoting.

    I like how you snipped your last paragraph, where you answer your own
    question:
    <quote>
    "*** That's right. George Dunce believes that NAMBLA is "the group
    that's done the most to fight (sexual) discrimination." He also accused
    me of being a "homophobe" and a "Nazi" for having attacked them." </q>

    As noted, I called NAMBLA the group that did "the most to fighting the
    above discrimination." There's no way to tell from your post what
    discrimination I was talking about, since you posted that statement out
    of context - at least twice - as an OP so no one could tell. Then you
    made up a story (that I was talking about "sexual discrimination" in
    general), which you've now changed (to claim I
    was talking about "LGBT rights").

    IIRC, "LGBT rights" is what *you* had told me it was in reference to at
    the time.

    IIRC, you're full of shit. You can call it a "gay right" (even though it criminalized anal sex between cishets too), but it not a "lesbian right"
    or a "trans right" at all. It would be stupid to call it an "LGBT right"
    - don't blame me for your stupidity.

    First you posted under the title of "DUNCE OUTED!!!" on December 7,
    2017. I responded the same day, to tell you that was not what I was
    talking about:

    <quote>
    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 7:53:01 AM UTC-5,
    michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
    <sigh> Yet another Pedodragon lie. I called Pedodragon a fascist because
    he wants to criminalize sex for people over the age of consent,
    including gays: specifically, gays between the age of consent and the
    unspecified higher age for anal sex he's advocating.
    I did point out that NAMBLA's been fighting the legal battle against the
    pedo's homophobic laws for decades, and here in Canada at least the
    "pedophiles" (as he'd call them) on the Supreme Court have agreed with
    them: those laws are unconstitutional. </q>
    https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EnkIgYG-nwk/m/k-23aCsLAQAJ

    You seem to be supporting your claims even now, George.

    Yes, Michael, of course I am. Gay sex was criminalized for men 16-20
    from 1969 to 2019 - NAMBLA was the only group fighting that
    discrimination - and I supported them in that.

    I also responded to your Chimp's backup flaming on the same thread:
    <q>
    On Thursday, December 7, 2017 at 8:32:53 AM UTC-5, drive-by wrote:
    NAMBLA fights age restrictions regarding young boys

    Boys 16-21, in the case of the laws we were discussing.

    under the guise of 'freedom of speech' to avoid crossing the line into a >>> cell..Pedophilia is alive and well, unfortunately, but NAMBLA is
    basically defunct at this point.
    Homophobia and Nazi originated from the lips of Pickering

    "Nazi" was a Pendragon lie. I called him a fascist, because he wants to
    throw even (some) adults into jail for having consensual sex.

    "Nazi" and "fascist" are more or less interchangeable -- especially in informal conversation. A Nazi is a specific type of fascist.

    They both jail gay men for having anal sex. But so did our "democracy"
    (until 2019), and so did yours until /Lawrence vs. Texas.

    Nor have I ever advocated throwing adults into jail for having
    consensual sex. I argued that adults who had sex with *minors* should
    be thrown in prison -- with the age of a "minor" being determined by the state in which the "consensual" sex occurred.

    Lying Michael, it wasn't just gays above the age of consent you wanted criminalized. IIRC (and I always do), you also wanted to ban sex with
    adult "retards".

    And he's clearly a homophobe if he wants to throw males 17-21 into jail
    just for having anal sex.

    You have failed to provide a quote to back up that statement, George --
    and I cannot imagine my ever having said such a thing.

    I'm sure you can't remember a word of it. All you remember is a story
    you made up and continue to spread, backed by nothing but an
    out-of-context statement.

    snip

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