• Re: _Peter Pan and Wendy_ Getting Slammed by Viewers

    From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 06:03:54 2024
    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further
    tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable
    rating on
    Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in
    corporate knew
    enough than to release it to theaters, so it could suffer it's
    ignominy in
    relative privacy. Choosing to update the cultural aesthetic to 21st
    c norms,
    while keeping the Edwardian setting of the original book, all it
    succeeds at
    doing is creating a cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for
    everyone
    involved.

    --
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    at last It declares
    Itself to me, now in this misery.' - Holderlin
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    Why does it have to be a remake? Why
    not just fill in the gap between or after the following. Even a story

    before the before.

    "Fox-five Peter-Pan"

    and

    "Hook"

    Or make it a horror story like "Pan's Labyrinth".


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=644804354#644804354

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Danart on Thu May 30 08:31:57 2024
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:


    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further
    tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable
    rating on
    Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in
    corporate knew
    enough than to release it to theaters, so it could suffer it's
    ignominy in
    relative privacy. Choosing to update the cultural aesthetic to 21st
    c norms,
    while keeping the Edwardian setting of the original book, all it
    succeeds at
    doing is creating a cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for
    everyone
    involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why
    not just fill in the gap between or after the following. Even a story
    before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    "Fox-five Peter-Pan"

    and

    "Hook"

    Or make it a horror story like "Pan's Labyrinth".

    That Pan was not named Peter.

    Nice try though

    This is a response to the post seen at: >http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=644804354#644804354

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    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Fri May 31 08:34:40 2024
    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable
    rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in
    corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, so it could
    suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to update the
    cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the Edwardian setting
    of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is creating a
    cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap between
    or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too. :-(

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri May 31 08:58:18 2024
    On 2024-05-30 20:34:40 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable
    rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in
    corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, so it could
    suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to update the
    cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the Edwardian setting >>>> of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is creating a
    cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap between
    or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too. :-(

    I should add, it's not just Hollyweird either. Book publishers do the
    same thing.

    They often redesign the book covers, which when done *during* the
    release of a series is {beep}ingly annyoying for those collecting them
    who end up with either a mismatched set or having to rebuy the older
    books.

    Dorling Kindersley (DK) are also have a bad tendency to release a new
    edition of a book with a few added new pages - again {beep}ingly
    annoying for those who already bought the previous edition.


    Then there's the car industry with their rebooting of old models - the
    "new" Beetle and the "new" Mini being two of the best known examples.

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri May 31 08:07:41 2024
    On 5/30/2024 1:58 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-05-30 20:34:40 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20%
    favoarable rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it
    seems some in
    corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, so it could
    suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to update the
    cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the Edwardian
    setting of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is creating
    a cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap
    between or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too.  :-(

    I should add, it's not just Hollyweird either. Book publishers do the
    same thing.

    They often redesign the book covers, which when done *during* the
    release of a series is {beep}ingly annyoying for those collecting them
    who end up with either a mismatched set or having to rebuy the older books.

    Dorling Kindersley (DK) are also have a bad tendency to release a new edition  of a book with a few added new pages - again {beep}ingly
    annoying for those who already bought the previous edition.

    And you think those outcomes are "by accident" because...?

    Then there's the car industry with their rebooting of old models - the
    "new" Beetle and the "new" Mini being two of the best known examples.



    --
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    dirty old man.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to dtravel@sonic.net on Fri May 31 08:34:03 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 08:07:41 -0700, Dimensional Traveler
    <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:

    On 5/30/2024 1:58 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-05-30 20:34:40 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    <snippo>
    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too.  :-(

    I should add, it's not just Hollyweird either. Book publishers do the
    same thing.

    They often redesign the book covers, which when done *during* the
    release of a series is {beep}ingly annyoying for those collecting them
    who end up with either a mismatched set or having to rebuy the older books. >>
    Dorling Kindersley (DK) are also have a bad tendency to release a new
    edition  of a book with a few added new pages - again {beep}ingly
    annoying for those who already bought the previous edition.

    And you think those outcomes are "by accident" because...?

    I see nothing to suggest he thinks any of this is "by accident".

    Including /Peter Pan and Wendy/.
    --
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    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 08:34:42 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 08:34:40 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:

    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that
    further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable >>>> rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in >>>> corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, so it could
    suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to update the
    cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the Edwardian setting >>>> of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is creating a
    cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap between
    or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too. :-(

    Indeed.

    But I expect Disney/Pixar to have higher standards.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Sat Jun 1 10:50:43 2024
    On 2024-05-31 15:34:42 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 08:34:40 +1200, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
    wrote:
    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that>>>> >>>>> further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20%
    favoarable>>>> rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it >>>>> seems some in>>>> corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, >>>>> so it could>>>> suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to >>>>> update the>>>> cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the >>>>> Edwardian setting>>>> of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is >>>>> creating a>>>> cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone >>>>> involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap
    between>>> or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of
    lazy-ass>Hollyweird suffers from those same things too. :-(

    Indeed.

    But I expect Disney/Pixar to have higher standards.

    Then you've been badly mislead. :-p

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Sat Jun 1 10:49:22 2024
    On 2024-05-31 15:07:41 +0000, Dimensional Traveler said:
    On 5/30/2024 1:58 PM, Your Name wrote:
    On 2024-05-30 20:34:40 +0000, Your Name said:

    On 2024-05-30 15:31:57 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 06:03:54 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:

    Rockinghorse Winner wrote:
    The new Disney adaptation of the evergreen children's story is
    being panned by reviewers all over the internet as woke trash, that >>>>>> further tarnishes the Disney brand. It currently has a 20% favoarable >>>>>> rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Released direct to cable, it seems some in >>>>>> corporate knew enough than to release it to theaters, so it could
    suffer it's ignominy in relative privacy. Choosing to update the
    cultural aesthetic to 21st c norms, while keeping the Edwardian setting >>>>>> of the original book, all it succeeds at doing is creating a
    cringe-fest that makes you feel embarassed for everyone involved.

    Why does it have to be a remake? Why not just fill in the gap between >>>>> or after the following. Even a story before the before.

    Disney still thinks remakes are worth doing.

    -or-

    Disney is suffering from a total lack of imagination

    Neither of those is unique to just Disney. About 90% of lazy-ass
    Hollyweird suffers from those same things too. :-(

    I should add, it's not just Hollyweird either. Book publishers do the
    same thing.

    They often redesign the book covers, which when done *during* the
    release of a series is {beep}ingly annyoying for those collecting them
    who end up with either a mismatched set or having to rebuy the older
    books.

    Dorling Kindersley (DK) are also have a bad tendency to release a new
    edition  of a book with a few added new pages - again {beep}ingly
    annoying for those who already bought the previous edition.

    And you think those outcomes are "by accident" because...?

    I never said anything about "by accident". They're obviuously done on
    purpose because the companies are greedy and the selfish idiots in
    management want bigger pay packets and more perks / bonuses ... at
    their customers' expense (in terms of both money and satisfaction).



    Then there's the car industry with their rebooting of old models - the
    "new" Beetle and the "new" Mini being two of the best known examples.

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  • From Danart@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 17:26:51 2024
    Paul S Person wrote:


    That Pan was not named Peter.

    Nice try though


    Please do not attempt to be a wise-#$@$ with me on the subject of
    Pan.

    "Fox Five Peter Pan" is the animated series that ran for a
    very long time second to "Pirates of The Dark Water".
    It was as Good as having Peter Pan everyday.

    "Hook" was an unofficial sequel to PP series. However
    linking it up to Disney is weak and frail so I might as well go with
    FFPP. This scenario he grew up and mark the End of the Pan series.

    "Pans Labriyth" is an original work in reference to the term
    "Pan" and even references the movie "Labyrinth" in
    which clearly both have "The Devil". In fact in PL the idea
    the Devil is serving God makes more sense as with David Boey movie.
    Point I am making is that

    "I want to see a horror movie featuring "The Pan". Boy
    or Man or teenager. But then again dickless-Holywood is going
    J$#R#@-it-up as they always do and create rubbish instead of gold.


    This is a response to the post seen at: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=644804354#644804354

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Danart on Sun Jun 2 08:42:54 2024
    On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 17:26:51 +0000,
    danmin@danminart-dot-com.no-spam.invalid (Danart) wrote:


    Paul S Person wrote:


    That Pan was not named Peter.

    Nice try though


    Please do not attempt to be a wise-#$@$ with me on the subject of
    Pan.

    Then don't say silly things.

    "Fox Five Peter Pan" is the animated series that ran for a
    very long time second to "Pirates of The Dark Water".
    It was as Good as having Peter Pan everyday.

    Never saw it, but I am glad you liked it.

    "Hook" was an unofficial sequel to PP series. However
    linking it up to Disney is weak and frail so I might as well go with
    FFPP. This scenario he grew up and mark the End of the Pan series.

    Saw it and was hooked. I have it on DVD and enjoy it every time I see
    it.

    "Pans Labriyth" is an original work in reference to the term
    "Pan" and even references the movie "Labyrinth" in
    which clearly both have "The Devil". In fact in PL the idea
    the Devil is serving God makes more sense as with David Boey movie.

    It is not about Peter Pan. And no amount of expostulation can make it
    so.

    Being an expert of Pan, you surely know that Pan was a Greek "god".
    /Pan's Labyrinth/ can be made to work as a reference to this Pan.

    Having seen /Pan's Labyrinth/, I agree that it was a horror. Kind of
    like /Horror at Party Beach/ was, but a lot less fun.

    I didn't really notice any reference to /Labyrinth/ (other than the
    name), but then, watching /Labyrinth/ turned out to be a regrettable
    choice and I don't remember much of it. Can't compare what I don't
    remember. Note that not remembering much about the film is /not/
    incompatible with clearly remembering what I thought about the film at
    the time.

    Anybody else noticed that films set in the Spanish Civil War tend to
    be ... very serious? Some unfinished business there, perhaps?

    <blank line shifted from after this statement to before it>
    Point I am making is that
    "I want to see a horror movie featuring "The Pan". Boy
    or Man or teenager. But then again dickless-Holywood is going
    J$#R#@-it-up as they always do and create rubbish instead of gold.

    A fine ambition, I am sure. Note that I am taking "The Pan" to refer
    to Peter. A film in which Peter kidnaps the Lost Children, who would
    otherwise have been left with their parents, perhaps. It could have
    them sharpening a stick at both ends toward the end of the film.

    This is a response to the post seen at: >http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=644804354#644804354

    --
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    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Mon Jun 3 09:49:40 2024
    On 2024-06-02 15:42:54 +0000, Paul S Person said:
    <snip>
    "Pans Labriyth" is an original work in reference to the term
    "Pan" and even references the movie "Labyrinth" in
    which clearly both have "The Devil". In fact in PL the idea
    the Devil is serving God makes more sense as with David Boey movie.

    It is not about Peter Pan. And no amount of expostulation can make it
    so.

    True, "Pan's Labyrinth" has nothing to do with "Peter Pan", although
    there is definitely some influences from JM Barrie's story (among many
    other sources of course).

    There is also a stage play called "Peter Pan's Labyrinth" that does
    create a mixture of the two - and sounds ridiculously silly. <https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2022/nov/06/peter-pans-labyrinth-review-vaults-london-barrie-bowie-del-toro-mashup>

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