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    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 13 19:52:28 2022
    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever liked was "The Abyss."

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1630029/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_4

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to RichA on Thu Dec 15 04:15:11 2022
    On 12/13/22 9:52 PM, RichA wrote:
    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever liked was "The Abyss."

    "The Deep" was good and had Jacqueline Bisset in a see-through t-shirt,
    so there's a good chance you're gay.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to trotsky on Thu Dec 15 09:53:13 2022
    On 12/15/2022 5:15 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 12/13/22 9:52 PM, RichA wrote:
    Similar plot-line.  Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever
    liked was "The Abyss."

    "The Deep" was good and had Jacqueline Bisset in a see-through t-shirt,
    so there's a good chance you're gay.

    Iirc, she was pissed about that scene...

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to gmsin...@gmail.com on Thu Dec 15 20:12:58 2022
    On Thursday, 15 December 2022 at 05:15:14 UTC-5, gmsin...@gmail.com wrote:
    On 12/13/22 9:52 PM, RichA wrote:
    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever liked was "The Abyss."
    "The Deep" was good and had Jacqueline Bisset in a see-through t-shirt,
    so there's a good chance you're gay.

    She was hotter in this:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065263/?ref_=nm_flmg_t_95_act

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to moviePig on Fri Dec 16 17:11:06 2022
    On 12/15/22 8:53 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 12/15/2022 5:15 AM, trotsky wrote:
    On 12/13/22 9:52 PM, RichA wrote:
    Similar plot-line.  Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever
    liked was "The Abyss."

    "The Deep" was good and had Jacqueline Bisset in a see-through
    t-shirt, so there's a good chance you're gay.

    Iirc, she was pissed about that scene...


    And if I remember correctly she was pissed about it being used to
    advertise the movie.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 17 02:39:27 2022
    RichA

    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever liked was "The Abyss."

    The reviews say it sucks, the same predictable story as before with kindergarten tier dialog,
    i.e. Dances With Wolves In Space 2: Underwater Boogaloo.

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

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  • From moviePig@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Sat Dec 17 10:23:44 2022
    On 12/17/2022 5:39 AM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    RichA

    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever liked was "The Abyss."

    The reviews say it sucks, the same predictable story as before with kindergarten tier dialog,
    i.e. Dances With Wolves In Space 2: Underwater Boogaloo.

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    Rhetorical question: Would you even *want* someone who's satisfied with
    the mindless pap you've described to tackle material you care about?

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  • From trotsky@21:1/5 to moviePig on Sun Dec 18 07:30:02 2022
    On 12/17/22 9:23 AM, moviePig wrote:
    On 12/17/2022 5:39 AM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    RichA

    Similar plot-line. Never was much for "underwater" fare, only ever
    liked was "The Abyss."

    The reviews say it sucks, the same predictable story as before with
    kindergarten tier dialog,
    i.e. Dances With Wolves In Space 2: Underwater Boogaloo.

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley
    Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI
    format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    Rhetorical question:  Would you even *want* someone who's satisfied with
    the mindless pap you've described to tackle material you care about?


    The Ed Stasiak sock isn't smart enough to consider how much Cameron
    pushes the state of the art with this technical abilities. That, and to
    quote Bob Dylan: "They say capitalism is above the law, it doesn't count
    unless it sells."

    From "Union Sundown"

    As I recall the first Avatar did a shit ton at the box office. Oh and
    the first one also had the horribly underappreciated Stephen Lang who
    never gets talked about.

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to edstasiak1067@gmail.com on Mon Dec 19 16:56:58 2022
    On Sat, 17 Dec 2022 02:39:27 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
    <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    I read Robinson's Mars trilogy a couple years ago and had a hard time
    slogging through them, particularly the second and third books. In a
    review I wrote, I said the books spent way too much time describing
    "every crater, canyon, bulge, volcano, rock, region, city, fungus or
    flower" on Mars during the terraforming process. Literally half or
    more of the story is just characters driving around looking at rocks
    (and the other half was an overlong soap opera).

    But, I also wrote: "That said, I was thinking that with some serious
    editing and a ton of special effects, this trilogy would make for a
    good Game of Thrones-style TV series. Seeing the Martian landscape in
    the background instead of having to read page after bone-dry page
    about it would be a vast improvement."

    So yeah, while I wouldn't describe the books as "excellent", I agree
    that someone could make a good movie or TV series out of them.

    -- Bob

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 13:52:41 2022
    moviepig
    Ed Stasiak

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    Rhetorical question: Would you even *want* someone who's satisfied with
    the mindless pap you've described to tackle material you care about?

    Cameron has made well written movies before (The Terminator, Aliens, etc.)
    so I dunno what happened with the Avatar flicks, as the story is garbage
    but he clearly understands technical aspect of CGI and the the movies are beautiful and would have been perfect for KSR's Mars novels and with a
    well written story in hand, presumably he could have concentrated on the gee-wiz CGI.

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 20 13:53:55 2022
    Bice
    Ed Stasiak

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    So yeah, while I wouldn't describe the books as "excellent", I agree
    that someone could make a good movie or TV series out of them.

    The stories have won multiple literary awards but to each his own, though
    I'd say the Mars novels could only be made using CGI tech and the time,
    money and effort Cameron expended on the lame Avatar flicks, would have
    been much better spent on them.

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to edstasiak1067@gmail.com on Wed Dec 21 17:47:50 2022
    On Tue, 20 Dec 2022 13:53:55 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
    <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

    Bice
    Ed Stasiak

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    So yeah, while I wouldn't describe the books as "excellent", I agree
    that someone could make a good movie or TV series out of them.

    The stories have won multiple literary awards but to each his own,

    Yeah, the reason I read them was because I was working my way through
    all the Hugo winners, and both Green Mars and Blue Mars won the Hugo.
    So I read the entire trilogy. I actually thought the first book, Red
    Mars, was the best of the three. I'm a big sci-fi fan, so given the
    books' premise (a trilogy about terraforming Mars) and the awards, I
    was really looking forward to reading it. But I found the books way
    too dry, and had trouble connecting with any of the characters.

    Ironically, I thought the destruction of the space elevator in the
    second book (or was it the first one?) would make a visually
    specatacular scene in a movie. And then that TV adaptation of
    Asimov's Foundation books included a sabotaged, collapsing space elevator...even though nothing like that ever happens in any of the
    Foundation books. Wonder where they got the idea.

    -- Bob

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  • From Ed Stasiak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 22 03:56:03 2022
    Bice
    Ed Stasiak

    The stories have won multiple literary awards but to each his own,

    Yeah, the reason I read them was because I was working my way through
    all the Hugo winners, and both Green Mars and Blue Mars won the Hugo.
    So I read the entire trilogy. I actually thought the first book, Red
    Mars, was the best of the three. I'm a big sci-fi fan, so given the
    books' premise (a trilogy about terraforming Mars) and the awards, I
    was really looking forward to reading it. But I found the books way
    too dry, and had trouble connecting with any of the characters.

    I consider the "Mars" trilogy (there's a fourth book of short stories, "The Martians")
    the 2nd best sci-fi ever, after the "Dune" novels and while I can understand some
    finding the descriptions of Mars boring, I thought they were well written and gave the
    reader an understanding of life on Mars but IMO the characters are very well written,
    with each having a realistic and unique and memorable personality and their interactions (over 100 years) being fascinating.

    And from an environmental and political perspective the "Mars" books do a far better
    job of getting the point across, which is something Cameron is trying to do with the
    "Avatar" movies and failing, as he seems to have wholly disregarded the actual story
    and thinks the CGI can completely carry the movies. It can't.

    In the first "Avatar" flick, the plot is driven by humans wanting to extract Unobtainium
    and being predictably mustache-twirling bad guys about it while in the new movie, the
    plot is;

    uhagvat nyvra junyrf gb rkgvapgvba gb rkgenpg zntvpny oenva syhvq sebz gurz, juvpu
    nyybjf uhznaf terngyl rkgraqrq yvsrfcnaf, while being predictably mustache-twirling bad
    guys about it...

    Something the "Mars" stories have already done and in an actual scientifically realistic
    way and more importantly, addresses the political and social fall-out from this tech.

    Ironically, I thought the destruction of the space elevator in the
    second book (or was it the first one?) would make a visually
    specatacular scene in a movie. And then that TV adaptation of
    Asimov's Foundation books included a sabotaged, collapsing space elevator...even though nothing like that ever happens in any of the Foundation books. Wonder where they got the idea.

    "Foundation" is pretty much unfilmable IMO, as most of the story consists of the characters
    standing around talking about events happening off-screen but the tv series didn't even bother
    with an adaption, following the usual Hollywood route of completely shitcanning the original
    books and make up it's own stupid and predictable story.

    It seems Hollywood has become fundamentally incapable of actually _adapting_ an existing
    story, the process nowadays is always to loot the IP for the title and characters then hire
    no-name hack screenwriters to write a new and inevitably shitty story.

    The "Godfather" movies for example (the first two) is almost a word-for-word adaption
    of Mario Puzo's novel (which is why they considered by many to be the best movies ever
    made) while "Game of Thrones", despite the show runners having five novels of 1,000+
    pages each to work with, is almost all original content and utter trash.

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to edstasiak1067@gmail.com on Thu Dec 22 16:26:24 2022
    On Thu, 22 Dec 2022 03:56:03 -0800 (PST), Ed Stasiak
    <edstasiak1067@gmail.com> wrote:

    "Foundation" is pretty much unfilmable IMO, as most of the story consists of the characters
    standing around talking about events happening off-screen but the tv series didn't even bother
    with an adaption, following the usual Hollywood route of completely shitcanning the original
    books and make up it's own stupid and predictable story.

    I watched the first four or five episodes, but when it became clear
    they were just using Asimov's name to push their own social agenda,
    and I realized I could hardly releate *anything* in the TV series to
    the actual books, I gave up on it.


    while "Game of Thrones", despite the show runners having five novels of 1,000+ >pages each to work with, is almost all original content and utter trash.

    I haven't read the Game of Thrones books, but I was under the
    impression that the TV series stayed at least somewhat faithful to the
    books until the last couple seasons, where they had to make up an
    ending because Martin still hasn't finished the book series. I
    remember that people who had read the books were just waiting to see
    how their friends who only watched the TV version would react to the
    red wedding scene, so the show has to be at least somewhat like the
    books. Moreso than Foundation, anyway.

    -- Bob

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Ed Stasiak on Thu Dec 22 17:03:45 2022
    On Tuesday, 20 December 2022 at 16:52:43 UTC-5, Ed Stasiak wrote:
    moviepig
    Ed Stasiak

    Annoyingly, Cameron once owned the film rights to Kim Stanley Robinson's excellent "Mars"
    novels which would have been perfect for the admittedly beautiful CGI format but instead,
    chose to make these lame movies.

    Rhetorical question: Would you even *want* someone who's satisfied with
    the mindless pap you've described to tackle material you care about?
    Cameron has made well written movies before (The Terminator, Aliens, etc.)
    so I dunno what happened with the Avatar flicks, as the story is garbage
    but he clearly understands technical aspect of CGI and the the movies are beautiful and would have been perfect for KSR's Mars novels and with a
    well written story in hand, presumably he could have concentrated on the gee-wiz CGI.

    Cameron flipped his lid, much like Carl Sagan did. Cameron went from producing outstanding action films
    to being an enviro-Marxist. Sagan was a productive Cornell astronomer who ended up being so annoying
    parading around in sack-cloth crying about "nuclear winter" that Johnny Carson would no longer have
    him on his show.

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