• Re: "Oppenheimer." This is where they lost me

    From danny burstein@21:1/5 to RichA on Thu Jul 13 02:30:37 2023
    In <ee565568-7578-443f-85c3-528d577732d0n@googlegroups.com> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> writes:

    =E2=80=9CTotally absorbed in =E2=80=98Oppenheimer,=E2=80=99 a dense, talkie= >, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,=E2=80= >=9D

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than anything=
    else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and security=
    revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were m=
    ostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by giving away secrets=
    to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have pre= >ferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies about "the=
    bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellec=
    ts. They had the most brilliant minds on the PLANET all in one place. SHOW=
    THAT!!

    [damn googlegroups uckedfay up formatting]

    Dunno if you have any way of getting hold of this tv series,
    but it was pretty well done:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_(TV_series)


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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 12 19:26:18 2023
    “Totally absorbed in ‘Oppenheimer,’ a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,”

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than anything else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and security revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were mostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by giving away secrets to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have preferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies about "the bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellects. They had the most
    brilliant minds on the PLANET all in one place. SHOW THAT!!

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to RichA on Sun Jul 16 06:42:03 2023
    On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:26:18 -0700, RichA wrote:

    “Totally absorbed in ‘Oppenheimer,’ a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,”

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than
    anything else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and
    security revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his
    pals were mostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by
    giving away secrets to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have preferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies
    about "the bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT
    their intellects. They had the most brilliant minds on the PLANET all
    in one place. SHOW THAT!!

    If you want to know the science and technology of the bomb, you
    have to read books. It turns out, though, that you can learn the
    drama involved in developing the technology by listening to
    interviews of the scientists at the Atomic Heritage
    Foundation website at https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/voices/
    I recently read the transcripts of almost all the interviews
    there that had anything to do with Hanford because my dad worked
    there. The interviews reveal the give and take among the personnel
    that is absent from official accounts.

    Charles Packer http://cpacker.org mailboxATcpacker.org

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Charles Packer on Tue Jul 18 16:37:53 2023
    On Sunday, 16 July 2023 at 02:42:07 UTC-4, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 19:26:18 -0700, RichA wrote:

    “Totally absorbed in ‘Oppenheimer,’ a dense, talkie, tense film partly
    about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,”

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than
    anything else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and
    security revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were mostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by
    giving away secrets to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have preferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies
    about "the bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellects. They had the most brilliant minds on the PLANET all
    in one place. SHOW THAT!!
    If you want to know the science and technology of the bomb, you
    have to read books. It turns out, though, that you can learn the
    drama involved in developing the technology by listening to
    interviews of the scientists at the Atomic Heritage
    Foundation website at https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/voices/
    I recently read the transcripts of almost all the interviews
    there that had anything to do with Hanford because my dad worked
    there. The interviews reveal the give and take among the personnel
    that is absent from official accounts.

    Charles Packer http://cpacker.org mailboxATcpacker.org

    Books are about the only source to get that kind of info, and government reports. I've probably read 20 or 30 on nuclear programs, American and Soviet.
    Things like how they had to borrow tons of silver from the U.S. treasury to make the calutrons to separate the U-235 from raw uranium and when the war was over, they managed to return almost all the silver with little loss. Little nuances like that are
    part of the technical story. That efficiency It tied in with later programs like the Skunkworks were there was a high degree of discipline and people brought in projects often under-budget. Contrast that with today's defense spending.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to danny burstein on Tue Jul 18 16:32:35 2023
    On Wednesday, 12 July 2023 at 22:30:40 UTC-4, danny burstein wrote:
    In <ee565568-7578-443f...@googlegroups.com> RichA <rande...@gmail.com> writes:

    =E2=80=9CTotally absorbed in =E2=80=98Oppenheimer,=E2=80=99 a dense, talkie=
    , tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,=E2=80= >=9D

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than anything=
    else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and security=
    revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were m=
    ostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by giving away secrets=
    to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have pre= >ferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies about "the=
    bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellec=
    ts. They had the most brilliant minds on the PLANET all in one place. SHOW=
    THAT!!

    [damn googlegroups uckedfay up formatting]

    Dunno if you have any way of getting hold of this tv series,
    but it was pretty well done:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_(TV_series)

    I saw it. Instead of the intricacies of creating the most significant scientific achievement of all time (including Apollo) we go, a women's eye-view of the project. Frustrated lesbianism (my husband is too busy all the time!). No! You mean creating
    a nuclear bomb in 3 years tool actual work?? They did have a smattering about making the bomb in it, but not much. Richard Rhodes "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" was a monumental best-seller, highly entertaining, and it dealt with a large amount of the
    technical aspects of the bomb's creation. It would, with a good budget, make a fantastic movie. I can't believe movie-goers and book-readers are that different. In fact. how often have you read review on IMDB where viewers take directors to task for
    deviating from the form of the story?

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to RichA on Wed Jul 19 00:30:38 2023
    In <607106f1-0327-4ab3-b80c-c35080c18917n@googlegroups.com> RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> writes:

    [snip]

    Books are about the only source to get that kind of info, and government >reports. I've probably read 20 or 30 on nuclear programs, American
    and Soviet.

    Things like how they had to borrow tons of silver from the U.S. treasury to
    make the calutrons to separate the U-235 from raw uranium and when the war was over, they managed to return almost all the silver with little loss.

    Just a pointer to a pretty good movie dramatization of t
    the Manhattan District, namely "The Beginning or the End" [a].

    Very Hollywoodized [b], and Gung Ho! (hey, made in 1947), but
    yes, it includes the scene of getting silver from the Treasury...

    Bonus: Perry White portrays one of the Big Industrial Bosses
    who agrees to reorient his company (as do the dozen others)
    for the War effort, and to do it all at cost "plus one dollar".

    [a] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beginning_or_the_End

    [b] obligatory smoochy and tear jerking love scenes at the end.

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  • From artyw2@yahoo.com@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Jul 21 11:58:52 2023
    On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    “Totally absorbed in ‘Oppenheimer,’ a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,”

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than anything else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and security revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were mostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by giving away secrets to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have preferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies about "the bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellects. They had the most
    brilliant minds on the PLANET all in one place. SHOW THAT!!

    Will it bomb?

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to art...@yahoo.com on Sat Jul 22 23:35:39 2023
    On Friday, 21 July 2023 at 14:58:55 UTC-4, art...@yahoo.com wrote:
    On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 10:26:20 PM UTC-4, RichA wrote:
    “Totally absorbed in ‘Oppenheimer,’ a dense, talkie, tense film partly about the bomb, mostly about how doomed we are,”

    1. I'm more interested in the mechanics of creating the bomb than anything else.
    2. Boo hoo. Oppenheimer was cut-out of the project after WW2 and security revoked. He made TOO many noises OPPOSING the project and his pals were mostly communists. We saw how they betrayed the West by giving away secrets to their darling Soviets.
    3. Character studies are fine, but make it one or the other. I'd have preferred a technical treatise because the last few programs/movies about "the bomb" were turgid DRAMAS dealing with people's emotions NOT their intellects. They had the most
    brilliant minds on the PLANET all in one place. SHOW THAT!!
    Will it bomb?

    For what it is, it probably did ok. For what it cost to make, with it's huge ad campaign? Not so much. A weird time to release such a movie, fall or Christmas might have been better.

    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/

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