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O'REILLY: "Personal Story" segment tonight. Beside myself Chris
Wallace is one of the first national TV guys to announce that Donald
Trump had a good chance to win on election night.

Chris joins us now from Washington. So, before we get to your
perspicacity, you talked to the "New York Times" earlier this week
in an article they were doing and you actually told them to their
collective faces, they didn't cover the campaign fairly. That took
some moxie. And how did you arrive at that conclusion?

CHRIS WALLACE, "FOX NEWS SUNDAY" ANCHOR: Well, I think and it wasn't
just the "New York Times" although I did say it to the "Times" about
the "Times." I think a lot of the mainstream media just decided
after the conventions that Donald Trump was beyond the pale. He was
just not acceptable as a president and so, therefore, the normal
rules of objectivity and fairness no longer applied and so in the
"New York Times" case they would use -- they talk about flailing or
desperate in a way that they would never say about the Clinton
campaign that used verbs like lurched, I remember. And this was not
on the opinion page -- it was front page.

(CROSSTALK)


O'REILLY: And they only brought things back to Trump's deficiencies.
Every article started out a different way and then it all circled
back.

WALLACE: Bill, I have got to tell you, if there was ever any doubt
about the "Times" bias, I've only got to show you the front page of
the "New York Times" yesterday, Thursday, the day -- the day after
because, obviously, the results came in the Wednesday paper. Their
second day coverage and for those who can't see the headline.
Democrats, students, and foreign allies face the reality of a Trump
presidency. Not Trump takes over, Trump consolidates power, a new
day. But students face reality. I expected them to say the
proletariat faces the reality of Trump. I mean, that's an
astonishing headline.

O'REILLY: It is. It didn't offend me though because I don't see that
as trying to social engineer the country. And that's my next
question. Obviously, my opinion is that all of this media bias,
which is in disputable helped Trump, helped him because the folks
said, you know, I'm tired of this. We know you are being unfair and
we -- you know, you as the national media, we know this is not being
-- this is a con job by the media, so we are going to vote for him
anyway, even though we might not like him. That's what I think
happened in a lot of cases.

WALLACE: I think Trump was quite brilliant in going after the media
and basically lumping them in a different way than let's say Nixon
did. Lumping them in with all the other power elites. All the other
special interests in Washington, in Wall Street.

O'REILLY: Yes. It's rigged. Right.

WALLACE: In saying it's all part of a fixed game --

O'REILLY: Right. Right.

WALLACE: And in the particular case of the "New York Times," I got
to say, they really let themselves down and, you know, maybe I'm --
being -- I know you have had feelings about this for a long time. I
was really shocked to see how openly slanted they were on the front
news page of the paper.

O'REILLY: Let me tell you something, I have been doing this 20 years
plus, okay? I have been attacked viciously by the national media in
general. All right? Viciously attacked. Unfairly, distorting. And
you have seen it. You saw it. You know, it's like one every 18
months. What are they going to come up with next and attack and
attack and destroy and destroy? I told Trump the first interview I
did with him after he announced, I said, they are going to come
after you like you have never seen anything because there are
certain people, Chris, that they loathe working class.

He is not working class -- not Trump, he's not working class -- but
he says he is speaking for them. I am a working class guy. And for
us to attain power, for us to actually build up a following offends
them, personally offends them because we are exactly what they
despise. And that's what this was all about. And the working class
people who voted for Trump knew it. They knew it.

WALLACE: But it was certainly the case of Trump. They just decided
he was beyond the pale and they were going to treat him that way.
They weren't going to treat him as a legitimate presidential
candidate and have any sense. And it was not just the "Times," a lot
of newspapers --

O'REILLY: Yes. "The Washington Post" --

WALLACE: A lot of newspapers.

O'REILLY: You know, "The Washington Post" was interesting because it
did some good aggressive reporting but it's editorial page. I mean,
you just one after the other after the other after the other.
Although this guy Callum Borcher is an honest guy at the post.

WALLACE: I agree.

O'REILLY: Now, this Sunday, you got Kellyanne Conway, this is an
interesting question that I have. Does Trump have the stones to put
Ms. Conway in as chief of staff? Because that woman saved his bacon
to use a cliche, she saved him. Does he have it to put her in there?

WALLACE: Yes. But I'm not sure that's her best job. I'm not sure
that's the right role for her. I have strong feelings about chief of
staff because I have seen it done right and I have seen it done
wrong. And you put in somebody who -- well, this isn't true of
Conway so much and I agree. She could do just as good a job being a
senior advisor, a counselor, a Valerie Jarrett, a David Axelrod to
him.

O'REILLY: Yes. Valerie Jarrett is a good example. That's a
consigliore to President Obama.

WALLACE: Right. But for chief-of-staff you need somebody who knows
how the trains run in this town. How you deal with --

O'REILLY: All right. So, you talked to Newt Gingrich then.

WALLACE: How you deal with the Congress, how you deal with the
media, I'm not sure that's her strength particularly. That's frankly
why I think he should put Reince Priebus in there. You need some,
even if you want to change it, it's like Ronald Reagan put Jim Baker
in because --

O'REILLY: Why not Gingrich?

WALLACE: Because even though he wanted to change Washington, he knew
that you needed somebody who was very familiar with all the levers
of power in order to make it work for him.

O'REILLY: All right. I got only 15 seconds. Why not Gingrich? He
knows everything and he is a good arm twister.

WALLACE: I don't think Gingrich has an interest in a staff role like
that. I think he is beyond that if he gets a department. That's one
thing. You get your own plane, you get your own department. He
doesn't want to sit there and wake up in morning and brief the
president. It's a tough job but it's also a staff job. It's not a
principal's job.

O'REILLY: Chris Wallace, everyone.

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It's now time for healing, and for fixing the damage the Democrats
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