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    From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 27 13:11:24 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card, alt.books.david-weber

    On 9/26/2023 10:10 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 9/25/2023 11:32 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    I am adding 28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    Lynn

    Somebody somewhere told me this is a list of young men's adventure
    stories. They were not wrong.

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Mon Nov 27 13:24:02 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns. Just ask General Custer who left his
    Gatling guns behind for his last march.

    Lynn

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 27 20:39:42 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns.

    Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Hamish Laws on Mon Nov 27 15:45:07 2023
    On 9/27/2023 11:39 PM, Hamish Laws wrote:
    On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 10:56:26 PM UTC+10, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1...@dont-email.me>):
    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    It's not aiming for hard science fiction...

    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    major plot hole due to physics

    When the basic idea of the book is "almost all technnology stops working" don't expect it to fit with real world science.

    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    too many guns

    That's a matter of personal taste, I'm not a big guns fan but Ringo does do a good job of starting series that involve a lot of violence and making them reasonable.
    Completing the series is another matter, he's dropped a fair few I was interested in and his "of course the SS were elite soldiers and will save Europe" in Wath on the Rhine, a book he cowrote with Kratman, and "only christianity and religious people
    are worthwhile" in The Tuloriad and Queen of Wands (which as I recall from 1 read back when it was has a main character who's incredibly competent but because she's female she has to obey her husband in all things and he's a clueless arsehole) makes me
    less likely to read future releases

    Also dubious about anybody who chooses to write about 2 main characters who are attracted to the idea of raping people but hold themselves back...

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    he really loves things that go boom

    at a much higher level of booming

    Has John Ringo ever finished a series ?

    Lynn

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Mon Nov 27 15:42:41 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card, alt.books.david-weber

    On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns.

    Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.

    You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
    shows: ‘Stunning number’"

    https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/

    "A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,
    according to a new survey that also shows a sharp increase in the number
    of firearm owners over the past decade."

    "The NBC News national poll found that 52% of Americans say they or
    someone in their household owns a firearm, the highest share since the
    outlet first surveyed the question in 1999."

    Lynn

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 27 13:54:52 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left his Gatling guns behind for his last march.

    They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 27 22:29:26 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card, alt.books.david-weber

    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns.

    Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.

    You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
    shows: ‘Stunning number’"

    https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/

    "A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,


    https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx

    "Thirty-two percent of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun"

    "while a larger percentage, 44%, report living in a gun household"

    Pay attention. 68% of americans do not own a gun. And of the 44%,
    most of them are too young to legally purchase a gun.

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  • From Bob Casanova@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 27 15:39:49 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card, alt.books.david-weber

    On Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:42:41 -0600, the following appeared
    in alt.books.david-weber, posted by Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>:

    On 11/27/2023 2:39 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1@dont-email.me>):

    Lynns six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. Mutineers Moon by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. Citizen Of The Galaxy by Robert Heinlein
    3. The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein
    4. The Star Beast by Robert Heinlein
    5. Shards Of Honor by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. Jumper by Steven Gould
    7. Dies The Fire by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. Emergence by David Palmer
    9. The Tar-Aiym Krang by Alan Dean Foster
    10. Under A Graveyard Sky by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. Live Free Or Die by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. Lucifers Hammer by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. The Zero Stone by Andre Norton
    15. Going Home by A. American
    16. Enders Game by Orson Scott Card
    17. Ready Player One by Ernest Cline
    18. The Martian by Andy Weir
    19. The Postman by David Brin
    20. We Are Legion by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. Bitten by Kelley Armstrong
    22. Moon Called by Patrica Briggs
    23. Red Thunder by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns.

    Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.

    You are wrong again. "Most American households have gun owners, poll
    shows: Stunning number"

    https://nypost.com/2023/11/22/news/most-american-households-have-gun-owners-poll-shows/

    "A majority of American households include at least one gun owner,
    according to a new survey that also shows a sharp increase in the number
    of firearm owners over the past decade."

    "The NBC News national poll found that 52% of Americans say they or
    someone in their household owns a firearm, the highest share since the
    outlet first surveyed the question in 1999."

    I suspect a game of semantics; his "68%" probably includes
    ALL Americans, from birth on up. And the objections to some
    of the books posted by a previous respondent indicate a lack
    of comprehension - "major plot hole due to physics" about
    what is essentially a fantasy?; "too may guns" about a
    zombie apocalypse? Sheesh...

    BTW, your data are correct, and may even be significantly
    low; very few would claim to have a gun when they don't,
    while the converse, especially in today's leftist and
    litigious (BIRM) climate, is probably not true.

    --

    Bob C.

    "The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
    the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
    'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

    - Isaac Asimov

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Mon Nov 27 17:22:06 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
    his Gatling guns behind for his last march.

    They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

    Why not ?

    Lynn

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Mon Nov 27 20:59:17 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    On 11/27/2023 3:22 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
    his Gatling guns behind for his last march.

    They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

    Why not ?

    Custer's command was split into multiple sub-units, allowing them to be defeated in detail. (Except one which had the good sense to bug-out
    ASAP after their first contact.) Also much of the battle was a running
    battle, the "fixed position" bit didn't occur until the very end by
    which point the US Army units were surrounded and massively
    out-numbered. Gatling guns can't fire on the move and even when set up
    (which takes time) they didn't have a rate of fire comparable to current automatic weapons and didn't have enough munitions to have tipped the
    balance.

    About the only way I can see Gatling Guns saving Custer and his command
    was by slowing them down enough that the Native Americans had simply
    left by the time the 7th Cavalry reached Little Big Horn. That was why
    Custer left them behind in the first place.

    --
    I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
    dirty old man.

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  • From Andrew McDowell@21:1/5 to Scott Lurndal on Tue Nov 28 09:50:23 2023
    On Monday, November 27, 2023 at 8:39:47 PM UTC, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmc...@gmail.com> writes:
    On 9/26/2023 7:56 AM, WolfFan wrote:
    On Sep 26, 2023, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uetmtk$2bjvr$1...@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in September 2023:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    Giant plot holes with respect to biology, physics, logic...

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    major plot hole due to physics

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    too many guns

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    he really loves things that go boom

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    Lynn

    You can never have too many guns.
    Most americans (68%) don't have guns. Don't need guns. And don't want guns.
    Just to point out a different viewpoint. When I grew up in N.Ireland even the sale of some weedkillers was banned (because Sodium Chlorate is both an effective weedkiller and a potential oxidising agent from which to build IEDs). Subtracting from 100%,
    the idea of a society in which 32% of any civilian category has access to guns looks a little odd to me. Curiously, I see from Wikipedia that the EU has banned Sodium Chlorate as a weedkiller, purportedly because of its toxicity.

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  • From Lynn McGuire@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Tue Nov 28 14:31:59 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.heinlein, alt.books.orson-s-card

    On 11/27/2023 10:59 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 3:22 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 3:54 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 11/27/2023 11:24 AM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    You can never have too many guns.  Just ask General Custer who left
    his Gatling guns behind for his last march.

    They wouldn't have made a difference at Little Big Horn.

    Why not ?

    Custer's command was split into multiple sub-units, allowing them to be defeated in detail.  (Except one which had the good sense to bug-out
    ASAP after their first contact.)  Also much of the battle was a running battle, the "fixed position" bit didn't occur until the very end by
    which point the US Army units were surrounded and massively
    out-numbered.  Gatling guns can't fire on the move and even when set up (which takes time) they didn't have a rate of fire comparable to current automatic weapons and didn't have enough munitions to have tipped the balance.

    About the only way I can see Gatling Guns saving Custer and his command
    was by slowing them down enough that the Native Americans had simply
    left by the time the 7th Cavalry reached Little Big Horn.  That was why Custer left them behind in the first place.

    Wikipedia says that the Indians had at least 20 Henry lever action
    rifles spread among their best shooters. Custer's army had old breech
    loaders and single action revolvers. Not good. Outmanned and outgunned.

    Lynn

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