On 11/17/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> writes:
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
density of military installations in North America before the Berlin >>>>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a >>>>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay >>>>> dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the
place
that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North
America
went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc. >>>>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
knowledge of military targeting priorities.
And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
in Monterey would be considered a target).
Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden >>>>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a >>>>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading
back
down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the >>>>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone >>>>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the >>>>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3 >>>>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would >>>>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The
decision
was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
Although Alameda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
interesting targets than the
Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.
The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would
have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west
coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.
I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.
How many years has hanger 1 been there? ;)
Moffett is still there and they are rebuilding Hanger 1.
Air national guard, the occasional C-17 or C-5 to pick up
stuff from lockheed, and every now and then a couple of fighters
exercising off the coast. And maybe a random P-3 here and there.
They've been rebuilding hanger 1 for how many years now?
On 11/17/23 22:15, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.
I didn't see the collision, but I saw the smoke column come up with the
NASA 707 (727?) and the P3 collided and crashed onto the golf course. If
I had been facing the other way, I would have seen it. I was collecting >shopping carts at the corner of Grant and El Camino Real and would have
seen all but the last 30 feet of the descent. Just as well I didn't see it.
Hanger 1 opened in 1933. The covering was stripped when asbestos andHow many years has hanger 1 been there? ;)
Moffett is still there and they are rebuilding Hanger 1.
Air national guard, the occasional C-17 or C-5 to pick up
stuff from lockheed, and every now and then a couple of fighters
exercising off the coast. And maybe a random P-3 here and there.
They've been rebuilding hanger 1 for how many years now?
other hazardous materials became a problem. It was just a skeleton when
I was working at NASA/Ames. It is being rebuilt now.
--
Dave Scruggs
Captain, Boulder Creek Fire (Retired)
Sr. Software Engineer (Retired, mostly)
On 12/13/2023 1:06 PM, Dave wrote:
...
10 or so years later I am working at Sylvania. It is spitting distance...
from Moffett Field. I am working on MLQ-34 TACJAM, a VHF voice and
data battlefield jammer (32K core ram, 32K EEPROM). I was working one
night on the algorithm to turn on the jammers when a signal was
detected and turn off the jammers when the signal went away. The
Moffett tower frequency was a good test signal to use since it was the
real deal. I toggle in a patch. Note that the output to the jammers
was cabled into a big dummy load so it wouldn't actually be
transmitting. I start the program, hit the "arm transmitters" button,
and wait...
Not too long after I hear about the first quarter of a syllable and
the transmitters turn on. A few seconds later I hear a P3 rumble by.
Then the transmitter turns off. SUCCESS!! I disarm the transmitter. I
then hear "Moffett, please say again, your signal was garbled." The
dummy load didn't work as well as it should have. Oops.
Uh, you may be still NDA'd about that jammer ...
Lynn
On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 19:06:10 UTC, Dave wrote:
On 11/17/23 22:15, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
On 11/17/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:We moved to Sunnyvale in 1969. Vietnam and the cold war were going full
Dave <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> writes:
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest
density of military installations in North America before the Berlin >> >>>>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a >> >>>>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay
dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the
place
that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North
America
went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc. >> >>>>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some
knowledge of military targeting priorities.
And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
in Monterey would be considered a target).
Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden >> >>>>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a >> >>>>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading >> >>>>> back
down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the >> >>>>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone >> >>>>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the >> >>>>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3 >> >>>>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would >> >>>>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The
decision
was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
Although Alameda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more
interesting targets than the
Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway,
and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.
The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would >> >>> have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west
coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.
I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.
throttle then and the P3s were coming in at all hours of the day. Yes,
you did get used to those, but never the C5s or even the F4s.
Our house was in the landing pattern. In high school, I built a winged
box kite. I didn't have any good kite string so I used a fishing pole
with 50lb line on it. I had the kite up quite a way and it was flying
perfectly. After not too long, a jeep showed up with some guys who
"requested" that I take the kite down since it was sitting right in the
landing pattern. I complied.
10 or so years later I am working at Sylvania. It is spitting distance
from Moffett Field. I am working on MLQ-34 TACJAM, a VHF voice and data
battlefield jammer (32K core ram, 32K EEPROM). I was working one night
on the algorithm to turn on the jammers when a signal was detected and
turn off the jammers when the signal went away. The Moffett tower
frequency was a good test signal to use since it was the real deal. I
toggle in a patch. Note that the output to the jammers was cabled into a
big dummy load so it wouldn't actually be transmitting. I start the
program, hit the "arm transmitters" button, and wait...
Not too long after I hear about the first quarter of a syllable and the
transmitters turn on. A few seconds later I hear a P3 rumble by. Then
the transmitter turns off. SUCCESS!! I disarm the transmitter. I then
hear "Moffett, please say again, your signal was garbled." The dummy
load didn't work as well as it should have. Oops.
I didn't see the collision, but I saw the smoke column come up with the
NASA 707 (727?) and the P3 collided and crashed onto the golf course. If
I had been facing the other way, I would have seen it. I was collecting
shopping carts at the corner of Grant and El Camino Real and would have
seen all but the last 30 feet of the descent. Just as well I didn't see it.
Is this two separate stories or did you crash two
planes with your jammer? If you've told this before
then I forgot it.
On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:34:34 -0800 (PST), Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 13 December 2023 at 19:06:10 UTC, Dave wrote:
On 11/17/23 22:15, Dimensional Traveler wrote:Is this two separate stories or did you crash two
On 11/17/2023 4:36 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:We moved to Sunnyvale in 1969. Vietnam and the cold war were going full
Dave <bcf...@cruzio.com> writes:
On 11/17/23 08:10, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> writes:
I live in the San Francisco Bay Area. We had possibly the highest >>>>>>>> density of military installations in North America before the Berlin >>>>>>>> Wall fell, including the HQ for Western Defense Command. THAT was a >>>>>>>> target the Soviets would have hit with enough warheads to boil the bay >>>>>>>> dry. And a few more for Hamilton AFB on the other side of me, the >>>>>>>> place
that all military personnel going to or from Vietnam from North >>>>>>>> America
went thru. Alameda Naval Air Station, Hunter's Point, etc. etc. etc. >>>>>>>> You simply could not live here at that time without absorbing some >>>>>>>> knowledge of military targeting priorities.
And they've all been closed for decades now. Beale and Travis
are probably the closest remaining (unless the Naval academy
in Monterey would be considered a target).
Here's a bit of historical trivia for you. When you cross the Golden >>>>>>>> Gate Bridge going north out of San Francisco, the highway winds up a >>>>>>>> should of a mountain and then thru a two bore tunnel before heading >>>>>>>> back
down. That county when it was making Civil Defense plans during the >>>>>>>> Cold War considered using those tunnels as shelters. Until someone >>>>>>>> pointed out that the south end of the tunnels pointed directly at the >>>>>>>> Presidio (the location of that Western Defense Command) only about 3 >>>>>>>> miles away. The shock wave from a nuke landing on the Presidio would >>>>>>>> have turned the tunnels into the world's largest shotgun. The >>>>>>>> decision
was made that the tunnels would not be used as bomb shelters.
Although Alameda, Moffett and Hunters Point were probably a more >>>>>>> interesting targets than the
Presidio - a hit there would have taken out the presidio anyway, >>>>>>> and made the caldecott not suitable for shelter.
The Blue Cube in Sunnyvale, right next to Moffett Field, probably would >>>>>> have had a dedicated warhead just for it. Moffett Field had the west >>>>>> coast wing of the P-3 Orion sub hunters.
I lived half a mile from the thresholds of Moffett's 14L/14R
during desert storm. The sound of a C-5 overhead on
approach under 200 feet at 0200 is hard to ignore. The
P-3's were easier to ignore, once accustomed.
throttle then and the P3s were coming in at all hours of the day. Yes,
you did get used to those, but never the C5s or even the F4s.
Our house was in the landing pattern. In high school, I built a winged
box kite. I didn't have any good kite string so I used a fishing pole
with 50lb line on it. I had the kite up quite a way and it was flying
perfectly. After not too long, a jeep showed up with some guys who
"requested" that I take the kite down since it was sitting right in the
landing pattern. I complied.
10 or so years later I am working at Sylvania. It is spitting distance
from Moffett Field. I am working on MLQ-34 TACJAM, a VHF voice and data
battlefield jammer (32K core ram, 32K EEPROM). I was working one night
on the algorithm to turn on the jammers when a signal was detected and
turn off the jammers when the signal went away. The Moffett tower
frequency was a good test signal to use since it was the real deal. I
toggle in a patch. Note that the output to the jammers was cabled into a >>> big dummy load so it wouldn't actually be transmitting. I start the
program, hit the "arm transmitters" button, and wait...
Not too long after I hear about the first quarter of a syllable and the
transmitters turn on. A few seconds later I hear a P3 rumble by. Then
the transmitter turns off. SUCCESS!! I disarm the transmitter. I then
hear "Moffett, please say again, your signal was garbled." The dummy
load didn't work as well as it should have. Oops.
I didn't see the collision, but I saw the smoke column come up with the
NASA 707 (727?) and the P3 collided and crashed onto the golf course. If >>> I had been facing the other way, I would have seen it. I was collecting
shopping carts at the corner of Grant and El Camino Real and would have
seen all but the last 30 feet of the descent. Just as well I didn't see it. >>
planes with your jammer? If you've told this before
then I forgot it.
At a guess, unless he was testing the apparatus whilst collecting
shopping carts, I would say two separate events.
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