Scott Lurndal <slp53@pacbell.net> wrote:

"pete...@gmail.com" <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13=E2=80=AFPM UTC-5, Rockinghorse Win= >>ner wrote:

On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:=20

Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:=20

So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September.= >>=20
I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading an = >>article.=20

=20
And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sig= >>h.

Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)

I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time. >>Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.

Well, except for Henry Spencer's collection.

MOST of which wound up as part of Dejanews. Some tapes got mislaid though. --scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:08:04 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Reddit is like high school. Every time I post a book review in
r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI" because I
use words with more than one syllable. The moderators finally gave me a
get out of jail card.

If a literate person is automatically assumed to be an AI that says
terrible things both for the state of our culture and the state of our literature both fiction and non-fiction.

I commonly listen to Youtube while doing Usenet but then that's about
70-30 commentary and music (a bit higher on the music at this time of
year). Unsurprisingly I don't have a problem multi-tasking - and
seldom have under 10 books out from the public library.

I don't pretend that makes me anybody special but anybody who stamps
"written by an AI" on this can expect some rage. (Though I try to
moderate it at this time of year!)

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On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 15:14:23 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time. >>Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.

Well, except for Henry Spencer's collection.

This is why I so liked GG way back when since it allowed me to
demonstrate when I switched from FidoNet to Usenet or at least
establish a relatively early date when I first posted to Usenet (the
two overlapped for me for awhile before I left Fido - the earliest
Usenet I found with my name on it - and my old e-mail address from my
dial-up internet days before the cable - was 04/1994)

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Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

On 17/12/2023 18:13, Default User wrote:

That lead almost immediately to the X-No-Archive header, so anyone
really concerned could make sure their posts weren't archived.

ITYM "theoretically" weren't archived

The three - not sure now - archives I knew of treated the
X-No-archive header as a "Plebs can't see it after a fortnight" flag.

But that's mainly what people were worried about, their posts publicly available for an indeterminate time. Nothing ever prevented anyone who
touched a post anywhere in its travels from saving it. Including
end-use individuals if they wanted. It's just that most didn't care.


Brian

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The Horny Goat wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:08:04 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Reddit is like high school. Every time I post a book review in
r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI"
because I use words with more than one syllable. The moderators
finally gave me a get out of jail card.

If a literate person is automatically assumed to be an AI that says
terrible things both for the state of our culture and the state of our >literature both fiction and non-fiction.

Now, let's be sensible. I sincerely doubt Lynn's trouble is the result
of using polysyllabic words rather than his idiosyncratic posting
style. We're just used to it.


Brian

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Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:

On 16/12/2023 17:23, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse

Winner wrote:

On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September. >>>>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading
an article.

And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh. >>> Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)

I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time. >> Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral. >Really??

Not sure it was always a reasonable expectation BUT it was a commonly
held belief until that time by most users. Probably even "overwhelming
majority of users" or "almost all users".

There were archives of Usenet posts all over the place, some dating from >before the great reorganisation, before DejaNews started up, but they
didn't allow general access, or advertise their existence. But most
news admins new of their nearest, mine was at Telstra. But I've not
been a real news admin sisnce the 1990s.

Whether it was right or not doesn't necessarily matter for whether it
was a commonly held belief among USERS.

Even among Usenet admins few expected there to be full PUBLIC archive
- with hindsight this may seem obvious but that's hindsight for you.

It was a very different computer landscape back then.

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 15:29:58 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 12/18/2023 8:24 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

On 17/12/2023 21.39, Default User wrote:

The Horny Goat wrote:

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 15:08:04 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

Reddit is like high school.  Every time I post a book review in
r/printSF, at least one person will scream "written by an AI"
because I use words with more than one syllable.  The moderators
finally gave me a get out of jail card.

If a literate person is automatically assumed to be an AI that says
terrible things both for the state of our culture and the state of our >>>> literature both fiction and non-fiction.

Now, let's be sensible. I sincerely doubt Lynn's trouble is the result
of using polysyllabic words rather than his idiosyncratic posting
style. We're just used to it.

After all, his posts are well-bound and printed.

Well printed and well bound. And one of my Murderbot hardback books was
NOT well bound, the pages are leaving the binding already after two
reads. I wonder if I can get Tor to replace the book ?

If you bought the thing, then the pages have done all they were ever
intended to do. That they wish to escape may say more about how they
were treated by the reader than how well they were bound.

I have faced this problem many times, and not just with paperbacks.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On 12/19/2023 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 12/19/2023 10:52 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
...

Now, let's be sensible. I sincerely doubt Lynn's trouble is the result >>>>> of using polysyllabic words rather than his idiosyncratic posting
style. We're just used to it.

After all, his posts are well-bound and printed.

Well printed and well bound.  And one of my Murderbot hardback books was >>> NOT well bound, the pages are leaving the binding already after two
reads.  I wonder if I can get Tor to replace the book ?

If you bought the thing, then the pages have done all they were ever
intended to do. That they wish to escape may say more about how they
were treated by the reader than how well they were bound.

I have faced this problem many times, and not just with paperbacks.

I treat all of my books with loving care !

Except for the ones I throw against the wall.  For instance, I am
reading the MMPB "Ilium" by Dan Simmons right now.  I have thrown it
against the wall twice so far and it has survived with zero damage to
date.  The book does not make sense.

Maybe if you whacked it against your head instead of the wall....

:P

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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On 12/19/2023 7:46 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 12/19/2023 9:26 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:

On 12/19/2023 2:07 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 12/19/2023 10:52 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
...

Now, let's be sensible. I sincerely doubt Lynn's trouble is the
result
of using polysyllabic words rather than his idiosyncratic posting >>>>>>> style. We're just used to it.

After all, his posts are well-bound and printed.

Well printed and well bound.  And one of my Murderbot hardback
books was
NOT well bound, the pages are leaving the binding already after two
reads.  I wonder if I can get Tor to replace the book ?

If you bought the thing, then the pages have done all they were ever
intended to do. That they wish to escape may say more about how they
were treated by the reader than how well they were bound.

I have faced this problem many times, and not just with paperbacks.

I treat all of my books with loving care !

Except for the ones I throw against the wall.  For instance, I am
reading the MMPB "Ilium" by Dan Simmons right now.  I have thrown it
against the wall twice so far and it has survived with zero damage to
date.  The book does not make sense.

Maybe if you whacked it against your head instead of the wall....

:P

No thank you, I already have enough brain damage from my second heart
attack a decade ago.  Turns out having only 80% O2 in your blood for 24 hours is not good for your brain, who knew ?

Anyone who hasn't had only 80% O2 in their blood for 24 hours?

--
I've done good in this world. Now I'm tired and just want to be a cranky
dirty old man.

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On 20/12/2023 08:03, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 5:26:06 AM UTC-5, Torbjorn Lindgren wrote:

Gary R. Schmidt <grsc...@acm.org> wrote:

On 16/12/2023 17:23, pete...@gmail.com wrote:

On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 10:23:13 PM UTC-5, Rockinghorse

Winner wrote:

On 2023-12-15, Scott Lurndal <sc...@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

So the spam will be gone, and we'll all have to use Eternal September. >>>>>>> I'm going to need to figure out how to see quoted text when reading >>>>>>> an article.

And the usenet archive started by DejaNews will end on 15 Feb 2024. Sigh.

Dejanews: now that's a blast from the past! :)

I can remember when Dejanews started. It was a bit of a shock at the time. >>>> Prior to DJN, it was reasonable to assume that Usenet posts were ephemeral.

Really??

Not sure it was always a reasonable expectation BUT it was a commonly
held belief until that time by most users. Probably even "overwhelming
majority of users" or "almost all users".

There were archives of Usenet posts all over the place, some dating from >>> before the great reorganisation, before DejaNews started up, but they
didn't allow general access, or advertise their existence. But most
news admins new of their nearest, mine was at Telstra. But I've not
been a real news admin sisnce the 1990s.

Whether it was right or not doesn't necessarily matter for whether it
was a commonly held belief among USERS.

Even among Usenet admins few expected there to be full PUBLIC archive
- with hindsight this may seem obvious but that's hindsight for you.

It was a very different computer landscape back then.

As I recall - sure, we knew that some people maintained private archives, and it was widely rumored that the CIA got a tape from one of the major nodes daily,
but there weren't any publicly available archives in which one could go and dig up
sophomore indiscretions by arbitrary people.

Maybe that was true in the land of the fee, the telstra archive was free-for-all here in Oz.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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On Mon, 18 Dec 2023 03:35:42 -0000 (UTC), "Default User" <defaultuserbr@yahoo.com> wrote:

That lead almost immediately to the X-No-Archive header, so anyone
really concerned could make sure their posts weren't archived.

ITYM "theoretically" weren't archived

The three - not sure now - archives I knew of treated the
X-No-archive header as a "Plebs can't see it after a fortnight" flag.

But that's mainly what people were worried about, their posts publicly >available for an indeterminate time. Nothing ever prevented anyone who >touched a post anywhere in its travels from saving it. Including
end-use individuals if they wanted. It's just that most didn't care.

Whereas most of the users in the now largely defunct
soc.history.what-if and alt.history.what-if WANTED the old stuff kept
as they were very big on cooperative counter-factual history scenarios
some of which went over 50 postings and they wanted people to be able
to read them from start to finish!

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