• Yellow Blue Tibia. Adam Roberts.

    From Titus G@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 30 18:13:30 2023
    Yellow Blue Tibia. Adam Roberts.

    Adam Roberts is incredibly clever and especially with his writing
    skills. He can imitate or create apparently any style and in this novel,
    he has chosen droll humour with frequent misunderstandings and non
    sequiturs which I occasionally found tedious but after about half way
    through this ceased to annoy.

    This novel explains the contradictory facts about UFOs.
    1) UFOs have been seen and are believed in by millions.
    2) UFOs don’t exist.

    The plot begins in 1946 with a plan devised by (Joe SF) Stalin, to
    ensure the future of the Soviet Union by bonding the populace through a
    common enemy. Because he believes the Americans won't last long as an
    enemy, he commands a group of science fiction writers, (all Russian Jews
    except for one, a "Slav"), to invent and provide details of these alien invaders. Forty years on in 1986 Konstantin meets the other surviving
    writer from the group, the Slav, now a 'government employee', who thinks
    their fiction has always been reality.(I would love to give examples but
    that would ruin surprise easter eggs.) Things become delightfully crazy
    with lots of droll humour. Much of the humour is directed at the
    stereotyped propaganda image of Russians under the Soviet Government and
    he keeps coming up with their automatic behaviours usually involving
    avoiding the KGB, fear of authority and hive behaviour.
    "Why would you take a car from Moscow to Kiev? That's what trains are for."
    It is a lot funnier than I am describing but if it was written about
    some other nation, it would probably be vilified. There is little in the
    way of serious politics so it is not an alternative history but some
    events have been now correctly attributed to Aliens.
    I can't say too much without perhaps decreasing your reading enjoyment
    but it involves influence of alternate reality selection.
    "Yellow Blue Tibia" sounds like the Russian for "I love You" for reasons explained later but this is no soppy love story. For me it was mainly a
    comedy with fascinating science fictional ideas. 4 of 5 stars.

    ‘Officer Zembla, interrogation February 20th 1986. Suspect to state his name.’
    ‘Konstantin Skvorecky.’
    ‘Occupation?’
    ‘I work as a translator.’
    Zembla looked hard at me. ‘As it might be, foreign languages?’
    ‘As it might be.’
    ‘In particular?’
    ‘The English particular. I speak a little French too.’
    ‘That’s a job?’
    ‘Doesn’t it sound like one to you?’
    ‘Just speaking a language?’ said Zembla. ‘Not really. You speak English? But isn’t England full of people who speak English?’
    ‘True,’ I said. ‘But not many of them speak Russian.’
    ‘Why go to England for that? The Soviet Union contains millions of
    people who speak Russian!

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Titus G on Sat Dec 30 09:00:23 2023
    On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 18:13:30 +1300, Titus G wrote:

    Yellow Blue Tibia. Adam Roberts.

    Adam Roberts is incredibly clever and especially with his writing
    skills. He can imitate or create apparently any style and in this novel,
    he has chosen droll humour with frequent misunderstandings and non
    sequiturs which I occasionally found tedious but after about half way
    through this ceased to annoy.

    This novel explains the contradictory facts about UFOs.
    1) UFOs have been seen and are believed in by millions.
    2) UFOs don’t exist.

    The plot begins in 1946 with a plan devised by (Joe SF) Stalin, to
    ensure the future of the Soviet Union by bonding the populace through a common enemy. Because he believes the Americans won't last long as an
    enemy, he commands a group of science fiction writers, (all Russian Jews except for one, a "Slav"), to invent and provide details of these alien invaders. Forty years on in 1986 Konstantin meets the other surviving
    writer from the group, the Slav, now a 'government employee', who thinks their fiction has always been reality.(I would love to give examples but
    that would ruin surprise easter eggs.) Things become delightfully crazy
    with lots of droll humour. Much of the humour is directed at the
    stereotyped propaganda image of Russians under the Soviet Government and
    he keeps coming up with their automatic behaviours usually involving
    avoiding the KGB, fear of authority and hive behaviour.
    "Why would you take a car from Moscow to Kiev? That's what trains are
    for." It is a lot funnier than I am describing but if it was written
    about some other nation, it would probably be vilified. There is little
    in the way of serious politics so it is not an alternative history but
    some events have been now correctly attributed to Aliens.
    I can't say too much without perhaps decreasing your reading enjoyment
    but it involves influence of alternate reality selection.
    "Yellow Blue Tibia" sounds like the Russian for "I love You" for reasons explained later but this is no soppy love story. For me it was mainly a comedy with fascinating science fictional ideas. 4 of 5 stars.




    I have recently posted to a UFO forum an similar re-framing of
    the 1947 and subsequent UFO frenzies. Journalists and sf writers
    were enlisted to create a cover story for military mapping of
    the jet streams requiring large balloons that would sweep across
    the sky. The writers created alien invasion scenarios and the
    newsmen turned the notions into fake stories about mysterious
    objects in the sky that aligned with the visible actuality.

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Titus G on Wed Aug 20 12:45:56 2025
    On 2025-08-20, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Yellow Blue Tibia" sounds like the Russian for "I love You"

    That's a stretch. In particular the stress of tíbia vs. тебя́
    doesn't work at all.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Christian Weisgerber on Thu Aug 21 15:49:02 2025
    On 21/08/25 00:45, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2025-08-20, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    "Yellow Blue Tibia" sounds like the Russian for "I love You"

    That's a stretch. In particular the stress of tíbia vs. тебя́
    doesn't work at all.


    I am not qualified to comment.
    From the novel:
    "So I told her then how to say I love you in Russian. It involves
    putting together three English words: two colours and a human bone - as
    it might be, the colour of a fading bruise, and the colour of a fresh
    bruise, and a bone in the arm: just those three English words. Say them together, rolling from one to the other as you speak, and you will find
    that you are saying I love you in Russian."

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Titus G on Thu Aug 21 10:52:11 2025
    Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote or quoted:
    that you are saying I love you in Russian."

    "Я тебя люблю" (transliterated: ya tebya lyublyu), IPA:

    ja tʲɪˈbʲa lʲʉˈblʲu.

    "Yellow Blue Tibia", IPA:

    ˈjɛloʊ blu ˈtɪbiə.

    Maybe "yellow tibia blue" would be closer to the Russian?

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  • From Stefan Ram@21:1/5 to Stefan Ram on Thu Aug 21 11:16:50 2025
    ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
    Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote or quoted:
    that you are saying I love you in Russian."
    "Я тебя люблю" (transliterated: ya tebya lyublyu), IPA:
    ja tʲɪˈbʲa lʲʉˈblʲu.
    "Yellow Blue Tibia", IPA:
    ˈjɛloʊ blu ˈtɪbiə.
    Maybe "yellow tibia blue" would be closer to the Russian?

    Sorry, that won't work! Well, the word order in
    Russian probably needs to be a bit unusual so as
    to make "Yellow Blue Tibia" work . . .

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to naddy@mips.inka.de on Thu Aug 21 08:52:26 2025
    On Thu, 21 Aug 2025 15:14:17 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:

    On 2025-08-21, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    From the novel:
    "So I told her then how to say I love you in Russian. It involves
    putting together three English words: two colours and a human bone - as
    it might be, the colour of a fading bruise, and the colour of a fresh
    bruise, and a bone in the arm: just those three English words.

    They think the tibia is in the _arm_? Oh boy.

    Well, they botched the Russian word order, so what's surprising about
    their botching human anatomy?

    One of the Dortmunder novels features a Holy Relic -- a tibia.

    Being a Dortmunder novel, it is hilarious.

    Note: Dortmunder novels were written by Donald E. Westlake.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Titus G on Thu Aug 21 15:14:17 2025
    On 2025-08-21, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    From the novel:
    "So I told her then how to say I love you in Russian. It involves
    putting together three English words: two colours and a human bone - as
    it might be, the colour of a fading bruise, and the colour of a fresh
    bruise, and a bone in the arm: just those three English words.

    They think the tibia is in the _arm_? Oh boy.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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