• [VOP]:Chess Set Ads

    From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 2 10:38:16 2024
    For some time now, the ads on the Windows News thingy have been
    entirely about chess sets. That's a lot of chess sets.

    Since the only place I have discussed chess in right here on rasw, I
    am naturally wondering if someone here has sold my info as a prospect.

    I haven't played chess for a long time, not even Battle Chess, but, if
    I did, and needed a chess set I would use the Renaissance Chessmen
    with Board set I got back in the 50s or 60s. The box may not be as
    intact as I would like, but the set itself is complete.

    So, if whoever is responsible would be so kind as to inform these
    frantic chess set salespersons that they are barking up the wrong
    tree, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Tue Jan 2 22:03:17 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    Expensive chess sets are for decoration, or to demonstrate how intellectual >the owner is.

    They are also heavy, and can be used as convenient bludgeons to attack the person who put your bishop in check when it's clear that there are only two options that both result in losses.

    That would never, ever, work. Once upon a time I accidentally clicked on th= >e website=20
    of a company that makes cheap pseudo-classical statues for gardens. It was=
    three
    years before I stopped getting ads.

    Did you check to see if they made giant fake marble chess sets for your
    garden also?

    "I move king's bishop to the hosta."

    "You squished my hosta!"
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Jan 3 04:57:02 2024
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    quite inexpensive. The real cost is in buying a decent chess clock.

    The phone apps are pretty good, except they lack that tiny clink of flagfall.

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Wed Jan 3 08:43:49 2024
    On Tue, 02 Jan 2024 12:03:35 -0800, William Hyde wrote:

    Web based organizations never seem to want to correct anything. Every
    few months academia.edu offers me a chance to look at a paper I wrote,
    with someone else listed as the author. I finally managed to get in
    touch with a human who works there, only to be told that the only
    recourse would be for me to join academia.edu and make the correction
    myself. Do their work for them, in other words, and pay for the
    privilege.



    They do something different with me. They present me
    with the title of some paper whose author is C. Packer and
    ask me to confirm that I'm the C. Packer who wrote the paper.
    For a while I dutifully responded in the negative until I
    realized that it was a promotional gimmick.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Wed Jan 3 09:01:05 2024
    On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 17:55:20 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/2/2024 12:38 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    For some time now, the ads on the Windows News thingy have been
    entirely about chess sets. That's a lot of chess sets.

    Since the only place I have discussed chess in right here on rasw, I
    am naturally wondering if someone here has sold my info as a prospect.

    I haven't played chess for a long time, not even Battle Chess, but, if
    I did, and needed a chess set I would use the Renaissance Chessmen
    with Board set I got back in the 50s or 60s. The box may not be as
    intact as I would like, but the set itself is complete.

    So, if whoever is responsible would be so kind as to inform these
    frantic chess set salespersons that they are barking up the wrong
    tree, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks.

    Did you discuss chess sets in the presence of your smart phone ? If so, >your smart phone ratted you out. After all, the microphone is always on.

    I don't have a smart phone.

    My phone is so dumb -- how dumb is it? -- so dumb that it plugs into
    the wall.

    And I don't recall clicking on any chess-related ads at any time.

    I suppose "they" could be scanning Usenet to find people who might be
    in the market for a chess set.

    Yesterday, even the interstitial ads in the (very few) slide shows (or
    whatever they are) I chose to move through were for -- chess sets.

    And I am using an invalid email precisely because I had a similar (but
    much much worse [1]) episode in the 90s -- and fixed it by first
    isolating it to a specific usenet group and then using an invalid
    email address.

    [1] At the time, I was working, so I downloaded once a week. While
    this was going on, I was getting 10MB (the limit) of emails each week,
    most of them bounces. Simply changing the email did not work, so I
    split it into several that I used in different contexts and Usenet was
    the winner. Apparently I pissed someone off and, not being able to
    actually counter my arguments, this individual chose to exact revenge.

    This also protected the One True Email, the one that actually
    controlled my account with my then ISP.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Thu Jan 4 09:07:50 2024
    On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:17:34 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/3/2024 11:01 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 17:55:20 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/2/2024 12:38 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    For some time now, the ads on the Windows News thingy have been
    entirely about chess sets. That's a lot of chess sets.

    Since the only place I have discussed chess in right here on rasw, I
    am naturally wondering if someone here has sold my info as a prospect. >>>>
    I haven't played chess for a long time, not even Battle Chess, but, if >>>> I did, and needed a chess set I would use the Renaissance Chessmen
    with Board set I got back in the 50s or 60s. The box may not be as
    intact as I would like, but the set itself is complete.

    So, if whoever is responsible would be so kind as to inform these
    frantic chess set salespersons that they are barking up the wrong
    tree, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks.

    Did you discuss chess sets in the presence of your smart phone ? If so, >>> your smart phone ratted you out. After all, the microphone is always on. >>
    I don't have a smart phone.

    My phone is so dumb -- how dumb is it? -- so dumb that it plugs into
    the wall.

    And I don't recall clicking on any chess-related ads at any time.

    I suppose "they" could be scanning Usenet to find people who might be
    in the market for a chess set.

    Yesterday, even the interstitial ads in the (very few) slide shows (or
    whatever they are) I chose to move through were for -- chess sets.

    And I am using an invalid email precisely because I had a similar (but
    much much worse [1]) episode in the 90s -- and fixed it by first
    isolating it to a specific usenet group and then using an invalid
    email address.

    [1] At the time, I was working, so I downloaded once a week. While
    this was going on, I was getting 10MB (the limit) of emails each week,
    most of them bounces. Simply changing the email did not work, so I
    split it into several that I used in different contexts and Usenet was
    the winner. Apparently I pissed someone off and, not being able to
    actually counter my arguments, this individual chose to exact revenge.

    This also protected the One True Email, the one that actually
    controlled my account with my then ISP.

    "They" is Google. And they scan EVERYTHING ! Google built google.com
    so they could scan your information queries. Google bought DejaNews so
    they could scan Usenet. Google built the Android phone so they could
    track you and scan your words, both spoken and written. Google scans >EVERYTHING. And they delete nothing.

    I think a bad actor on this newsgroup is a far more likely explanation
    (keep in mind my prior experience, as given in [1] above). Or has
    anyone else been suddenly and overwhelmingly targetted by ads for
    something they have discussed here but never ever clicked on or
    searched for?

    Still, you may be right. I may simply not be paranoid /enough/ in this
    regard. (I regard someone, including myself, as paranoid enough when
    that person ceases to worry about whatever-it-is because it is clear
    that there is nothing to be done, and so becomes free to continue to
    live that person's life without worrying about it.)
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Fri Jan 5 08:15:34 2024
    On Thu, 4 Jan 2024 11:24:48 -0800 (PST), William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 12:07:57?PM UTC-5, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Wed, 3 Jan 2024 15:17:34 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/3/2024 11:01 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 17:55:20 -0600, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmc...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 1/2/2024 12:38 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    For some time now, the ads on the Windows News thingy have been
    entirely about chess sets. That's a lot of chess sets.

    Since the only place I have discussed chess in right here on rasw, I >> >>>> am naturally wondering if someone here has sold my info as a prospect. >> >>>>
    I haven't played chess for a long time, not even Battle Chess, but, if >> >>>> I did, and needed a chess set I would use the Renaissance Chessmen
    with Board set I got back in the 50s or 60s. The box may not be as
    intact as I would like, but the set itself is complete.

    So, if whoever is responsible would be so kind as to inform these
    frantic chess set salespersons that they are barking up the wrong
    tree, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks.

    Did you discuss chess sets in the presence of your smart phone ? If so, >> >>> your smart phone ratted you out. After all, the microphone is always on.

    I don't have a smart phone.

    My phone is so dumb -- how dumb is it? -- so dumb that it plugs into
    the wall.

    And I don't recall clicking on any chess-related ads at any time.

    I suppose "they" could be scanning Usenet to find people who might be
    in the market for a chess set.

    Yesterday, even the interstitial ads in the (very few) slide shows (or >> >> whatever they are) I chose to move through were for -- chess sets.

    And I am using an invalid email precisely because I had a similar (but >> >> much much worse [1]) episode in the 90s -- and fixed it by first
    isolating it to a specific usenet group and then using an invalid
    email address.

    [1] At the time, I was working, so I downloaded once a week. While
    this was going on, I was getting 10MB (the limit) of emails each week, >> >> most of them bounces. Simply changing the email did not work, so I
    split it into several that I used in different contexts and Usenet was >> >> the winner. Apparently I pissed someone off and, not being able to
    actually counter my arguments, this individual chose to exact revenge. >> >>
    This also protected the One True Email, the one that actually
    controlled my account with my then ISP.

    "They" is Google. And they scan EVERYTHING ! Google built google.com
    so they could scan your information queries. Google bought DejaNews so
    they could scan Usenet. Google built the Android phone so they could
    track you and scan your words, both spoken and written. Google scans
    EVERYTHING. And they delete nothing.
    I think a bad actor on this newsgroup is a far more likely explanation
    (keep in mind my prior experience, as given in [1] above).

    It occurs to me that I have posted about chess on several actual chess >groups, as well have here, and have visited sites like chess.com, >chessgames.com, the web sites of writers on chess like
    Tim Krabbe and Edward winter, perused countless youtube videos
    on chess, yet have never had such advertising directed at me.

    Perhaps they think I can't afford it?

    Prior to my acquisition of decent email filters I did get plenty of advertising,
    but for the usual reasons, Nigerian princes, sex aids, more sex aids, drugs >of various kinds, stocks, real estate. But never chess.

    Many of them had randomly worded titles of which my favourite by far was:

    "Your Future, Opium Poisoning".

    I have no idea what they were trying to sell me there, naturally I didn't open >it.

    Which, to my overly-suspicious (not to say somewhat paranoid) mind,
    only increases the likelihood of my being specifically targeted.

    But life goes on, and since I skip /all/ ads, these are simply ...
    boring and repetitious.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Fri Jan 5 23:58:23 2024
    On Wed, 03 Jan 2024 09:01:05 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    Did you discuss chess sets in the presence of your smart phone ? If so, >>your smart phone ratted you out. After all, the microphone is always on.

    I don't have a smart phone.

    My phone is so dumb -- how dumb is it? -- so dumb that it plugs into
    the wall.

    And I don't recall clicking on any chess-related ads at any time.

    I suppose "they" could be scanning Usenet to find people who might be
    in the market for a chess set.

    Yesterday, even the interstitial ads in the (very few) slide shows (or >whatever they are) I chose to move through were for -- chess sets.

    And I am using an invalid email precisely because I had a similar (but
    much much worse [1]) episode in the 90s -- and fixed it by first
    isolating it to a specific usenet group and then using an invalid
    email address.

    [1] At the time, I was working, so I downloaded once a week. While
    this was going on, I was getting 10MB (the limit) of emails each week,
    most of them bounces. Simply changing the email did not work, so I
    split it into several that I used in different contexts and Usenet was
    the winner. Apparently I pissed someone off and, not being able to
    actually counter my arguments, this individual chose to exact revenge.

    This also protected the One True Email, the one that actually
    controlled my account with my then ISP.

    I get such ads all the time but then I've been national secretary of
    the Chess Federation of Canada for 10+ years and there's a link to me
    on their website (www.chess.ca) so I just killfile some of the more
    obnoxious ads - and I don't have a cellphone (long story why) so I
    miss most of the telemarketers.

    (I have 3 top quality boards including one used in the 2003 Canadian championship - it wasn't a perk, it was auctioned after the event as
    part of a fundraiser for the Chess Olympic team. Plus a couple of nice
    wooden sets of pieces none of which ever leaves the house - I use my
    cloth board with plastic pieces for competition play)

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Sat Jan 6 21:54:16 2024
    Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
    What is the chess aficionado's opinion on themed chess sets? I haven't see= >n an ad in ages, does Franklin Mint still make them? A gaming company once=
    got the suggestion to use the 3D-printing files of their spaceships scaled= down to be chesspieces: the cost of eight frigates, two bases, frigates, a=
    nd light cruisers, plus a heavy cruiser and battleship was quite prohibitiv= >e, even in cheap plastic.

    My uncle, who was a candidate master, was a huge fan of them. He said that they make it confusing for players who don't use them all the time, thereby giving a severe home team advantage to the person owning the set. He suggested that they don't have to be very different-looking to make an appreciable difference in a player's performance.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Jan 7 08:50:49 2024
    On 6 Jan 2024 21:54:16 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Jack Bohn <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:
    What is the chess aficionado's opinion on themed chess sets? I haven't see= >>n an ad in ages, does Franklin Mint still make them? A gaming company once= >> got the suggestion to use the 3D-printing files of their spaceships scaled= >> down to be chesspieces: the cost of eight frigates, two bases, frigates, a= >>nd light cruisers, plus a heavy cruiser and battleship was quite prohibitiv= >>e, even in cheap plastic.

    My uncle, who was a candidate master, was a huge fan of them. He said that >they make it confusing for players who don't use them all the time, thereby >giving a severe home team advantage to the person owning the set. He suggested
    that they don't have to be very different-looking to make an appreciable >difference in a player's performance.

    I thought the official tournaments (the ones relevent to becoming a
    master) used regulation pieces on regulation boards.

    Bland, but at least everyone knew what the pieces were.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Sun Jan 7 17:14:34 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    On 6 Jan 2024 21:54:16 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    My uncle, who was a candidate master, was a huge fan of them. He said = >that=20
    they make it confusing for players who don't use them all the time, = >thereby
    giving a severe home team advantage to the person owning the set. He = >suggested
    that they don't have to be very different-looking to make an appreciable >>difference in a player's performance.

    I thought the official tournaments (the ones relevent to becoming a
    master) used regulation pieces on regulation boards.

    Yes, there is a reason for this. This is specifically done in order to
    keep players from doing the same thing my uncle advocated.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue Jan 9 01:30:55 2024
    On 6 Jan 2024 21:54:16 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    My uncle, who was a candidate master, was a huge fan of them. He said that >they make it confusing for players who don't use them all the time, thereby >giving a severe home team advantage to the person owning the set. He suggested
    that they don't have to be very different-looking to make an appreciable >difference in a player's performance.

    Yeah as a junior player (more years ago than I care to admit) a few
    players brought "unusual" (e.g. most anything other than some form of
    the Staunton design - which all regular players know though perhaps
    not by that name) to tournaments way back when but I haven't seen
    anything other than minor variations of the Staunton design in a very
    very long design.

    I'm halfway convinced that 100 years from now that Bobby Fischer may
    be best known as the inventor of the digital chess clock since the
    digital clock made 'incremental' time controls (e.g. where you get a
    fixed amount of time added to your clock with every move - the idea
    being that you can never lose on time unless you abuse the control
    since you're getting more time with every move - which has been the
    type of time control mostly used in tournament chess for the last
    20-30 years.

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Tue Jan 9 01:34:32 2024
    On Sun, 07 Jan 2024 08:50:49 -0800, Paul S Person
    <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

    I thought the official tournaments (the ones relevent to becoming a
    master) used regulation pieces on regulation boards.

    They do now but 40 years ago not so much. The international body has
    also given the tournament director the right to reject any set that
    goes too far from the standard.

    (Though as one who has directed 100+ tournaments from local club
    events to national championships I think I've invoked that rule
    perhaps twice ever)

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@gmail.com on Fri Feb 9 21:35:34 2024
    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 17:19:35 +0000, Robert Carnegie
    <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 03/01/2024 03:22, pete...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 2, 2024 at 6:55:26?PM UTC-5, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 1/2/2024 12:38 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    For some time now, the ads on the Windows News thingy have been
    entirely about chess sets. That's a lot of chess sets.

    Since the only place I have discussed chess in right here on rasw, I
    am naturally wondering if someone here has sold my info as a prospect. >>>>
    I haven't played chess for a long time, not even Battle Chess, but, if >>>> I did, and needed a chess set I would use the Renaissance Chessmen
    with Board set I got back in the 50s or 60s. The box may not be as
    intact as I would like, but the set itself is complete.

    So, if whoever is responsible would be so kind as to inform these
    frantic chess set salespersons that they are barking up the wrong
    tree, I would appreciate it.

    Thanks.
    Did you discuss chess sets in the presence of your smart phone ? If so,
    your smart phone ratted you out. After all, the microphone is always on.

    I used to think that this was paranoid nonsense, but I was recently
    discussing possible future vacations with my wife (I just retired, and
    have more time). I mentioned cruises, and a return visit to Hawaii. At
    no point did I query the net on those subjects. But within a day, I got
    a burst of ads for 'cruises to Hawaii'.

    Is it possible to attribute this to
    your wife?

    Is this a time when people go to Hawaii?

    I still buy the _Radio Times_ TV (and radio)
    listing magazine. It starts including a
    holiday brochure section right after
    Christmas / New Year.

    Which is ESPECIALLY weird since I'm subscribed to all the chess groups
    and am NOT getting these messages - and if anybody's grazing the net
    for likely chess players to market to I would certainly be on their
    list since I'm on the national executive of the Chess Federation of
    Canada.

    Meaning that whoever the spammer is either isn't paying attention to
    who's subscribed to various newsgroups NOR to chess websites that have
    'contact me' tabs on their site. And no question that having both a
    rare first name and a rare last name I get targetted a lot but have
    developed very good spam filters. Go figure...

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