In <l045j7FipubU1@mid.individual.net> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

[snip]

a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.

Sound at all familiar?

(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident in ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen,_Be_Seated!

Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

Thanks again
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The Alaska Airlines "undooring" reminded me of a Heinlein
story which... is just barely ticking my memory.

The character is involved in trying to save humanity
(aren't all of them?) and he's in a ?space ship? or
a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.

Sound at all familiar?

(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident it ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)

Thanks

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Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 06:03:16 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

In <l045j7FipubU1@mid.individual.net> ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) writes:

[snip]

a ?room on the moon? with vacuum outside. There's a
hole in the wall, and he plugs it up by either sitting
on it or resting his thigh against it.

Sound at all familiar?

(No, it's not the vaguely similar incident in ?Starship Troopers?
where the Academy class is in room and a "meteor" breeches
the wall.)

Thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentlemen,_Be_Seated!

Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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In <dvuqpihqckpiju90arcd8174tp8pl7nj1n@4ax.com> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

[snip]

Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!

So did Podkayne live, or did she die??

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

In <dvuqpihqckpiju90arcd8174tp8pl7nj1n@4ax.com> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

[snip]

Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!

So did Podkayne live, or did she die??

That wasn't one of them.

But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.

Hardly the way a juvie is expected to end (although the animated movie
/Jack and the Cuckoo-Clock Heart/ appears to do this) -- but then,
IIRC, it was said /not/ to be a juvie when it was published. Of
course, "IIRC" is slippery when it is based on something that happened
long long ago.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:11:56 -0600, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

On 1/9/2024 11:04 AM, danny burstein wrote:

In <dvuqpihqckpiju90arcd8174tp8pl7nj1n@4ax.com> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

[snip]

Thanks! I conflated it (which now that I've
read the Wiki summary I remember more fully)
with some of the other Heinleins...

(easy enough to do considering I read these
decades ago...)

When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Memory is, indeed, a slippery thing!

So did Podkayne live, or did she die??

Depends on which version of the "Podkayne of Mars" book that you read.
Or, which appendix of the last book published by Phoenix which has both >endings, the juvenile and the mature.
https://www.amazon.com/Podkayne-Mars-Robert-Heinlein/dp/1612422624

IIRC, that would be "the editor's preferred ending" and "Heinlein's
preferred ending", respectively.
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:19:55 -0800, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 17:04:13 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:

In <dvuqpihqckpiju90arcd8174tp8pl7nj1n@4ax.com> Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:

When I re-read Heinlein some time ago, I found that two
"well-remembered" juveniles were so different from what I remembered
that I was, in effect, reading them again for the very first time.

Been there done that!

So did Podkayne live, or did she die??

That wasn't one of them.

But the Kindle version I read as part of my Heinleinfest (so to speak)
had her dying at the end. Apparently, this was Heinleins preferred
ending. There is no accounting for taste.

Besides "I Will Fear No Evil" and Lazarus Long in (can't remember
which book - he appeared in several) who else did Heinlein kill off?
And both were extremely aged (well kinda in the first case which is a
major spoiler to those who haven't read it which I hope everyone has -
it's about a male to female brain transplant) so not terribly
shocking.

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