Another round of "which Nebula nominees have you read?" This one is for 1967.
It is weird that teen me thought of the Nebulas as an established award, given that they are younger than I am. When I noticed them, they were
maybe five years old.
The nominees were:
The Age of the Pussyfoot by Frederik Pohl
World Without Stars by Poul Anderson
Of which I have read
The Age of the Pussyfoot by Frederik Pohl
World Without Stars by Poul Anderson
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 9:22:11???AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of "which Nebula nominees have you read?" This one is for 1967.I've read all but the one by Phillifent and liked them all [...]
It is weird that teen me thought of the Nebulas as an established award,
given that they are younger than I am. When I noticed them, they were
maybe five years old.
The nominees were:
The Age of the Pussyfoot by Frederik Pohl
Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany
The Blue World by Jack Vance
The Crystal World by J. G. Ballard
Danger from Vega by John T. Phillifent
Earthblood by Rosel by George Brown and Keith Laumer
The Eyes of Heisenberg by Frank Herbert
Fantastic Voyage by Isaac Asimov
Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
The Last Castle by Jack Vance
Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
Night of Light by Philip José Farmer
A Planet of Your Own by John Brunner
The Productions of Time by John Brunner
This Immortal by Roger Zelazny
Watchers of the Dark by Lloyd Biggle, Jr.
World of Ptavvs by Larry Niven
World Without Stars by Poul Anderson
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 9:22:11???AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of "which Nebula nominees have you read?" This one is for 1967.I've read all but the one by Phillifent and liked them all [...]
It is weird that teen me thought of the Nebulas as an established award, >>> given that they are younger than I am. When I noticed them, they were
maybe five years old.
The nominees were:
The Age of the Pussyfoot by Frederik Pohl
Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany
The Blue World by Jack Vance
The Crystal World by J. G. Ballard
Danger from Vega by John T. Phillifent
Earthblood by Rosel by George Brown and Keith Laumer
The Eyes of Heisenberg by Frank Herbert
Fantastic Voyage by Isaac Asimov
Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
The Last Castle by Jack Vance
Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
Night of Light by Philip José Farmer
A Planet of Your Own by John Brunner
The Productions of Time by John Brunner
This Immortal by Roger Zelazny
Watchers of the Dark by Lloyd Biggle, Jr.
World of Ptavvs by Larry Niven
World Without Stars by Poul Anderson
I've not read the Phillifent and I don't remember the Brown & Laumer.
Maybe it reflects my age, but these all strike me as very strong, and successfully sensawunda. I tried comparing that list with the 2023
Nebula list, but I have only read _Nona the Ninth_, which I enjoyed, but don't think of as being quite as inventive.
David Duffy.
(Obviously, Rakham was good enough for me to buy more Rackham,
though).
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, January 22, 2024 at 9:22:11???AM UTC-5, James Nicoll wrote:for 1967.
Another round of "which Nebula nominees have you read?" This one is
I've read all but the one by Phillifent and liked them all [...]
It is weird that teen me thought of the Nebulas as an established award, >>> given that they are younger than I am. When I noticed them, they were
maybe five years old.
The nominees were:
The Age of the Pussyfoot by Frederik Pohl
Babel-17 by Samuel R. Delany
The Blue World by Jack Vance
The Crystal World by J. G. Ballard
Danger from Vega by John T. Phillifent
Earthblood by Rosel by George Brown and Keith Laumer
The Eyes of Heisenberg by Frank Herbert
Fantastic Voyage by Isaac Asimov
Flowers for Algernon by Daniel Keyes
The Last Castle by Jack Vance
Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison
The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress by Robert A. Heinlein
Night of Light by Philip José Farmer
A Planet of Your Own by John Brunner
The Productions of Time by John Brunner
This Immortal by Roger Zelazny
Watchers of the Dark by Lloyd Biggle, Jr.
World of Ptavvs by Larry Niven
World Without Stars by Poul Anderson
I've not read the Phillifent and I don't remember the Brown & Laumer.
Maybe it reflects my age, but these all strike me as very strong, and >successfully sensawunda. I tried comparing that list with the 2023
Nebula list, but I have only read _Nona the Ninth_, which I enjoyed, but >don't think of as being quite as inventive.
_Earthblood_ definitely appealed to me as a 13 year old; a strong
well-done sensawunda. At that time I ranked it up with the similar-in- several-ways _Citizen of the Galaxy_. In later years I was bothered a
bit more by the strong species-ism as _Earthblood_ recounts the story
of a 100% pure-blooded Terran. [snip]
On 1/22/2024 8:20 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
[snip-snip]
_Earthblood_ definitely appealed to me as a 13 year old; a strong
well-done sensawunda. At that time I ranked it up with the similar-in-
several-ways _Citizen of the Galaxy_. In later years I was bothered a
bit more by the strong species-ism as _Earthblood_ recounts the story
of a 100% pure-blooded Terran. [snip]
IIRC, I read it as a denunciation of species-ism.
On 2024-01-23, Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
On 1/22/2024 8:20 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
[snip-snip]
_Earthblood_ definitely appealed to me as a 13 year old; a strong
well-done sensawunda. At that time I ranked it up with the similar-in-
several-ways _Citizen of the Galaxy_. In later years I was bothered a
bit more by the strong species-ism as _Earthblood_ recounts the story
of a 100% pure-blooded Terran. [snip]
IIRC, I read it as a denunciation of species-ism.
It was a contradictory novel, IMO.
I should probably read it again. I last read it as an undergrad
almost 50 years ago and wasn't very good then at discerning author
themes that didn't agree with the facts stated as the plot.
From beginning (Roan, the main character, as a fetus) to the end,
where Roan refused to submit to the dogs controlling Terra because he
was a True Man (physically attacking 200 lb dogs), Terrans were
presented as inherently superior. If Roan disagreed with the humans
left on Terra, he was right because he was a direct clone of a 16,000
year old corpse.
It is the case that Roan succeeded in the novel because he treated
members of other species as individuals, for which they were properly grateful. His first friend was a black (because he was a sentient iron-bearing rock) slave fighter who lived by exhibition fighting in
the ring (remember book written in the US 60s). There definitely were
direct attempts at anti-species-ism, but the main plot and ending
seemed to deny that theme and left a bad taste in my mouth.
The ending was remarkably poor compared to the rest of the book. A
better ending could have made it much more successful theme-wise but
that may have been difficult in the 60s.
On 2024-01-23, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-23, Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
On 1/22/2024 8:20 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
[snip-snip]
_Earthblood_ definitely appealed to me as a 13 year old; a strong
well-done sensawunda. At that time I ranked it up with the similar-in- >>>> several-ways _Citizen of the Galaxy_. In later years I was bothered a >>>> bit more by the strong species-ism as _Earthblood_ recounts the story
of a 100% pure-blooded Terran. [snip]
IIRC, I read it as a denunciation of species-ism.
It was a contradictory novel, IMO.
I should probably read it again. I last read it as an undergrad
almost 50 years ago and wasn't very good then at discerning author
themes that didn't agree with the facts stated as the plot.
From beginning (Roan, the main character, as a fetus) to the end,
where Roan refused to submit to the dogs controlling Terra because he
was a True Man (physically attacking 200 lb dogs), Terrans were
presented as inherently superior. If Roan disagreed with the humans
left on Terra, he was right because he was a direct clone of a 16,000
year old corpse.
It is the case that Roan succeeded in the novel because he treated
members of other species as individuals, for which they were properly
grateful. His first friend was a black (because he was a sentient
iron-bearing rock) slave fighter who lived by exhibition fighting in
the ring (remember book written in the US 60s). There definitely were
direct attempts at anti-species-ism, but the main plot and ending
seemed to deny that theme and left a bad taste in my mouth.
The ending was remarkably poor compared to the rest of the book. A
better ending could have made it much more successful theme-wise but
that may have been difficult in the 60s.
In case it isn't clear to some readers in this newsgroup, the
"properly grateful" is sarcastic, perhaps it should have been
in quotes.
On 1/23/2024 11:29 AM, Chris Buckley wrote:[...]
On 2024-01-23, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
On 2024-01-23, Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
On 1/22/2024 8:20 PM, Chris Buckley wrote:
[snip-snip]
_Earthblood_ definitely appealed to me as a 13 year old; a strong
well-done sensawunda. At that time I ranked it up with the similar-in- >>>>> several-ways _Citizen of the Galaxy_. In later years I was bothered a >>>>> bit more by the strong species-ism as _Earthblood_ recounts the story >>>>> of a 100% pure-blooded Terran. [snip]
IIRC, I read it as a denunciation of species-ism.
It was a contradictory novel, IMO.
Re: "anti-species-ism", my recollection is that it was ratherFrom beginning (Roan, the main character, as a fetus) to the end,
where Roan refused to submit to the dogs controlling Terra because he
was a True Man (physically attacking 200 lb dogs), Terrans were
unambiguous, but I'd have to reread the novel to support it.
I bounced off the second Locked Tomb for no justifable reason. Have to
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
I bounced off the second Locked Tomb for no justifable reason. Have to
"A sick hope rose in you like nitrogen bubbles in a diver..."
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