• (Nebula) Nebula Finalists, 1968

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 14:09:42 2024
    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's
    tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed
    the ones I read.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    The Einstein Intersection by Samuel R. Delany *
    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *
    The Eskimo Invasion by Hayden Howard
    Thorns by Robert Silverberg *

    Which Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
    Behold the Man by Michael Moorcock *
    Hawksbill Station by Robert Silverberg *
    If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister? by Theodore Sturgeon *
    Riders of the Purple Wage by Philip Jose Farmer *
    Weyr Search by Anne McCaffrey *

    Which Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    Gonna Roll the Bones by Fritz Leiber *
    Flatlander by Larry Niven *
    Pretty Maggie Moneyeyes by Harlan Ellison *
    The Keys to December by Roger Zelazny
    This Mortal Mountain by Roger Zelazny

    Which Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Aye, and Gomorrah ... by Samuel R. Delany *
    Answering Service by Fritz Leiber
    Baby, You Were Great! by Kate Wilhelm *
    Driftglass by Samuel R. Delany
    Earthwoman by Reginald Bretnor
    The Doctor by Theodore L. Thomas *

    I am too lazy to check but I bet I read a lot of the shorter
    works because they were also Hugo winners and included in the
    Asimov anthologies. I have not the Nebula anthologies.
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 15:42:11 2024
    On 2024-01-29, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    Flatlander by Larry Niven *

    I think that's the only one of the whole list that I have read,
    and it's the most memorable one of the Beowulf Shaeffer stories.
    So you ask the most powerful aliens you know for the most "interesting"
    star system you can reach, but don't ask them _why_ it's interesting
    before you go there. What could possibly go wrong? ... Oh-shit-oh-shit.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 09:48:53 2024
    In article <up8bj6$8f6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed
    the ones I read.

    I have snipped out the ones that know that I haven't read

    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *


    You missed nothing by not reading _Chthon_.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
    Behold the Man by Michael Moorcock *
    Hawksbill Station by Robert Silverberg *
    If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister? by Theodore Sturgeon *
    Riders of the Purple Wage by Philip Jose Farmer *
    Weyr Search by Anne McCaffrey *


    I am not certain about the first 3 (I do remember details of the plots
    first 2, the 3rd was in _Dangerous Visions_ which I think I read all the
    way through).

    Which Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    Gonna Roll the Bones by Fritz Leiber *
    Flatlander by Larry Niven *

    Which Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Aye, and Gomorrah ... by Samuel R. Delany *

    I might have read this (it was in _Dangerous Visions_).

    --
    "We have advanced to new and surprising levels of bafflement."
    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. ‹-----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Mon Jan 29 18:23:39 2024
    In article <robertaw-10714A.09485329012024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <up8bj6$8f6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's
    tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed
    the ones I read.

    I have snipped out the ones that know that I haven't read

    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *


    You missed nothing by not reading _Chthon_.

    I have an idea for a series of reviews inspired by the facts someone commissioned a review of They'd Rather Be Right and I happened to see
    a copy of The Eskimo Invasion: How Bad Could It Be? or maybe What's
    The Worst That Could Happened. But I think Anthony isn't quite good
    enough for a review series about legendarily bad books.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
    Behold the Man by Michael Moorcock *
    Hawksbill Station by Robert Silverberg *
    If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister? by Theodore >> Sturgeon *
    Riders of the Purple Wage by Philip Jose Farmer *
    Weyr Search by Anne McCaffrey *


    I am not certain about the first 3 (I do remember details of the plots
    first 2, the 3rd was in _Dangerous Visions_ which I think I read all the
    way through).

    I too read the 3rd in DV, which I still have.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    Gonna Roll the Bones by Fritz Leiber *
    Flatlander by Larry Niven *

    Which Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Aye, and Gomorrah ... by Samuel R. Delany *

    I might have read this (it was in _Dangerous Visions_).



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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 15:58:16 2024
    On Jan 29, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up8bj6$8f6$1@reader1.panix.com>):


    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed
    the ones I read.

    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    The Einstein Intersection by Samuel R. Delany *

    wasn’t impressed by it

    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *

    liked it

    The Eskimo Invasion by Hayden Howard
    Thorns by Robert Silverberg *

    Which Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
    Behold the Man by Michael Moorcock *

    wan’t impressed; possibly was immune to the theme, given all the time I had spent in Catholic schools

    Hawksbill Station by Robert Silverberg *

    liked it

    If All Men Were Brothers, Would You Let One Marry Your Sister? by Theodore Sturgeon *

    Was ok

    Riders of the Purple Wage by Philip Jose Farmer *

    no comment

    Weyr Search by Anne McCaffrey *

    thought that McCaffery telegraphed the plot


    Which Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
    Gonna Roll the Bones by Fritz Leiber *

    not bad

    Flatlander by Larry Niven *

    Good

    Pretty Maggie Moneyeyes by Harlan Ellison *

    Good

    The Keys to December by Roger Zelazny
    This Mortal Mountain by Roger Zelazny

    Which Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
    Aye, and Gomorrah ... by Samuel R. Delany *
    Answering Service by Fritz Leiber
    Baby, You Were Great! by Kate Wilhelm *
    Driftglass by Samuel R. Delany
    Earthwoman by Reginald Bretnor
    The Doctor by Theodore L. Thomas *

    i just can’t recall any of these, so either I didn’t read them or I’ve forgotten them


    I am too lazy to check but I bet I read a lot of the shorter
    works because they were also Hugo winners and included in the
    Asimov anthologies. I have not the Nebula anthologies.

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Tue Jan 30 00:03:19 2024
    On 2024-01-29, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:49:01 PM UTC-5, Robert Woodward wrote:
    In article <up8bj6$8f6$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's >> > tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed >> > the ones I read.
    I have snipped out the ones that know that I haven't read
    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *

    You missed nothing by not reading _Chthon_.

    I still don't understand that book, and at this point I'm not going to
    try. On the other hand, he certainly wasn't aiming for his later easy-reading popularity here. On the other, other, hand, I think
    he said that the book took so long to write that he earned about
    ten cents an hour in the process.

    _Chthon_ and _Phthor_ were definitely ambitious, but they didn't succeed
    for me. I remember they were unpleasant to read; I don't know now whether
    they could be called "New Wave" or just more about obsession.

    _Macroscope_ is the only Anthony on my Favorites bookcase, another
    ambitious book. _A Spell for Chameleon_ was good but its success
    ruined Anthony as a serious author.

    I've read almost all the listed Nebula works, but have never even
    heard of _The Eskimo Invasion_!

    Chris

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to alan@sabir.com on Tue Jan 30 02:38:31 2024
    In article <l1qsm7F6nj0U2@mid.individual.net>,
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
    On 2024-01-29, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 12:49:01 PM UTC-5, Robert Woodward wrote: >>> In article <up8bj6$8f6$1...@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdni...@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    Time of another round of which Nebula Finalists have you read, this
    time for 1968.

    Nothing says consistency like changing the format with each entry. Let's >>> > tackle _all_ of the fiction finalists, in order of placement. I have *ed >>> > the ones I read.
    I have snipped out the ones that know that I haven't read
    Which Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
    Chthon by Piers Anthony
    Lord of Light by Roger Zelazny *

    You missed nothing by not reading _Chthon_.

    I still don't understand that book, and at this point I'm not going to
    try. On the other hand, he certainly wasn't aiming for his later
    easy-reading popularity here. On the other, other, hand, I think
    he said that the book took so long to write that he earned about
    ten cents an hour in the process.

    _Chthon_ and _Phthor_ were definitely ambitious, but they didn't succeed
    for me. I remember they were unpleasant to read; I don't know now whether >they could be called "New Wave" or just more about obsession.

    _Macroscope_ is the only Anthony on my Favorites bookcase, another
    ambitious book. _A Spell for Chameleon_ was good but its success
    ruined Anthony as a serious author.

    I've read almost all the listed Nebula works, but have never even
    heard of _The Eskimo Invasion_!

    It sounds dire and if the copy I saw last week is still where it
    was, I will have a review of it by and by.

    --
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Robert Carnegie on Tue Jan 30 23:53:54 2024
    On 2024-01-30, Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    Flatlander by Larry Niven *

    I think that's the only one of the whole list that I have read,
    and it's the most memorable one of the Beowulf Shaeffer stories.

    Doesn't something rather large explode in one?

    Yes, "At the Core", but "Flatlander" has stuck more with me. And
    it has this brilliant opening:

    The most beautiful girl aboard turned out to have a husband
    with habits so solitary that I didn't know about him until the
    second week. He was about five feet four and middle-aged, but
    he wore a hellflare tattoo on his shoulder, which meant he'd been
    on Kzin during the war thirty years back, which meant he'd been
    trained to kill adult kzinti with his bare hands, feet, elbows,
    knees, and whatnot. When we found out about each other, he very
    decently gave me a first warning and broke my arm to prove he
    meant it.
    The arm still ached a day later, and every other woman on the
    _Lensman_ was over two hundred years old. I drank alone. [...]

    So you ask the most powerful aliens you know for the most "interesting"
    star system you can reach, but don't ask them _why_ it's interesting
    before you go there. What could possibly go wrong? ... Oh-shit-oh-shit.

    So of course you call the customer complaint
    line. :-)

    Different aliens, though. Our intrepid heroes payed the Outsiders
    for information... and then lived, barely, to make a call to the
    Puppeteers to report a product warranty case. "Zl Trareny Cebqhpgf
    uhyy whfg snvyrq."

    Speaking of the Outsiders: Given the Kzinti's unreasonable
    aggressiveness, they must have tried to attack the Outsiders at
    some point, right? Did we ever learn of such an event?

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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