• (reacTORmag) The Golden Age of SF

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 29 18:14:40 2024
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

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  • From Dave@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 11:17:56 2024
    On 1/29/24 10:14, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    I actually have no idea what I was reading when I was 12. Probably the
    Hardy Boys. I had not yet seen 2001, but was watching Star Trek.
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  • From Garrett Wollman@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 19:40:51 2024
    In article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    Copying my Mastodon reply:

    I have two from the top 100, and I'm pretty sure I didn't read either
    one during that year and three more in the next 200, nothing more in
    the remaining 200. I had (probably still have) *very* niche reading
    tastes, but if there's anything from the 1984 list that I actually
    read *in* 1984 it was probably THE HERO AND THE CROWN. (Of note: I'm a
    December baby so I was only 11 for most of that year. For 1985 I am
    3/500, but one of those is an Asimov F&SF essay collection and
    shouldn't count for this purpose.)

    -GAWollman

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    my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 14:59:45 2024
    On Jan 29, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    Hmm.

    Tv tie-ins: Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Joe 90, Voyage to the Bottom of the
    Sea

    Enid Blyton: her books were set in a not-quite-parallel universe

    W.E. Johns: his books were in a somewhat different not-quite-parallel
    universe; he also perpetuated a few books where the protags accidentally let
    a kitten loose on Mars and it Grew. And was quite annoying.

    Burroughs’ Mars and Venus books

    RAH’s juvies, starting with Between Planets, Space Cadet, and The Rolling Stones

    Asimov’s robot and Foundation books.

    A lot of Clarke, and Chandler, and E.E. Smith.

    A ton of Tom Swift, by ‘Victor Appleton’ and ‘Victor Appleton II’;
    the nuclear powered submarine helicopter made anything in Joe 90 and Captain Scarlet look tame.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Mon Jan 29 20:14:29 2024
    In article <0001HW.2B683B3101C406B070000925438F@news.supernews.com>,
    WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>):

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    Hmm.

    Tv tie-ins: Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Joe 90, Voyage to the Bottom of the >Sea

    Enid Blyton: her books were set in a not-quite-parallel universe

    W.E. Johns: his books were in a somewhat different not-quite-parallel >universe; he also perpetuated a few books where the protags accidentally let >a kitten loose on Mars and it Grew. And was quite annoying.

    Burroughs’ Mars and Venus books

    RAH’s juvies, starting with Between Planets, Space Cadet, and The Rolling >Stones

    Asimov’s robot and Foundation books.

    A lot of Clarke, and Chandler, and E.E. Smith.

    A ton of Tom Swift, by ‘Victor Appleton’ and ‘Victor Appleton II’; >the nuclear powered submarine helicopter made anything in Joe 90 and Captain >Scarlet look tame.



    Tom Swift & Tom Swift Jr.
    The Roy Rockwood "Great Marvel" books.
    Heinlein, mostly _Space Cadet_ which was in our elementary school library. Nourse _Raiders From The Rings_.
    Norton _The Zero Stone_, _The Stars Are Ours_, _The Last Planet_, others.
    Space Cat by ??
    Cameron the Mushroom Planet books
    Balmer _When Worlds Collide_, _After Worlds Collide_
    Mrs. Pickerel and the etc.
    Danny Dunn
    Lloyd Alexander _Taran Wanderer_ etc
    _A Princess Of Mars_
    Matthew Mooney
    Bova _Star Conquerors_, _Star Watchman_


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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Dave on Mon Jan 29 21:02:52 2024
    Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> writes:
    On 1/29/24 10:14, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    I actually have no idea what I was reading when I was 12. Probably the
    Hardy Boys. I had not yet seen 2001, but was watching Star Trek.

    My father gave me a copy of _Have Spacesuit, Will Travel_ for my
    12th birthday; one of his coworkers had recommended it. It started
    my SF journey (along with _The Girl who Owned a City_ which I found
    at the library that summer). Before that, the three investigators
    series - what boy at that age wouldn't want to live in a junkyard?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Investigators

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 13:51:37 2024
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books.

    --
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  • From Garrett Wollman@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 22:37:09 2024
    In article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    So it occurs to me that the premise of this is a little bit off. I
    looked at the sort of reviews accounted for in ISFDB, and the vast
    majority seem to be SF magazine (sensu lato) reviews, which likely did
    not have much of an effect on what was available in libraries or in non-specialist bookstores. The publications that general-interest
    librarians and booksellers read to make ordering decisions --
    Publisher's Weekly, ALA Booklist, Kirkus, national newspapers -- are
    not especially numerous and would certainly be overwhelmed by the
    zines.

    -GAWollman

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 23:36:04 2024
    On 2024-01-29, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    Looking at the ISFDB top reviewed list for 1968 (I turned 12), I have
    read 41 of the top 50, and 74 of the top 100. But that says
    almost nothing about what I read when I was 12!

    I have no memory of having read any of them when I was 12. In all likelihood
    I read 2 or 3 since the librarian would put aside any new SF for me, but
    that happened rarely. This was a small town library in the middle of
    nowhere (South Dakota) with a 4-5 shelf SF section.

    I was pretty completely oblivious to science fiction authors; SF was
    my favorite genre but I never ran into enough by any author for that
    to be important. I remember I had a favorite publisher though: Avalon
    books. There were a couple dozen Avalon SF books in the library and they always had lists of more SF books at the end of each.

    Fantasy children's books were shelved with general children's books so
    I at least recognized some authors for their series. Lofting (Dr. Dolittle)
    and Travers (Mary Poppins). Before age 12 I had read the fantasy that my dad had around: _The Hobbit_ and _Lord of the Rings_ (which now surprise me that
    he had) and _Gulliver's Travels_ and _Le Morte D'Arthur_.

    My "Golden Age" would probably be ages 14 - 16 when I would go out to
    Tulsa, OK for the summer and buy used SF books at 10 cents to 20 cents
    each at the huge weekly flea market and used book stores (100+ books
    per summer). That's when I would have read more of the 1968 books.

    Chris

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  • From John@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Tue Jan 30 00:54:08 2024
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> writes:

    On 2024-01-29, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    Looking at the ISFDB top reviewed list for 1968 (I turned 12), I have
    read 41 of the top 50, and 74 of the top 100. But that says
    almost nothing about what I read when I was 12!

    I have no memory of having read any of them when I was 12. In all likelihood I read 2 or 3 since the librarian would put aside any new SF for me, but
    that happened rarely. This was a small town library in the middle of
    nowhere (South Dakota) with a 4-5 shelf SF section.

    I was pretty completely oblivious to science fiction authors; SF was
    my favorite genre but I never ran into enough by any author for that
    to be important. I remember I had a favorite publisher though: Avalon
    books. There were a couple dozen Avalon SF books in the library and they always had lists of more SF books at the end of each.

    Fantasy children's books were shelved with general children's books so
    I at least recognized some authors for their series. Lofting (Dr. Dolittle) and Travers (Mary Poppins). Before age 12 I had read the fantasy that my dad had around: _The Hobbit_ and _Lord of the Rings_ (which now surprise me that he had) and _Gulliver's Travels_ and _Le Morte D'Arthur_.

    My "Golden Age" would probably be ages 14 - 16 when I would go out to
    Tulsa, OK for the summer and buy used SF books at 10 cents to 20 cents
    each at the huge weekly flea market and used book stores (100+ books
    per summer). That's when I would have read more of the 1968 books.

    Chris

    I took a look at 1999 (yes, I know) and right there on top is "A
    Deepness in the Sky", one of my favorite books to be sure but I didn't
    read it at 12.

    They say ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and I'd say my science
    fiction reading habits followed a similar path, beginning in the past
    and slowly working my way forward. My uncle gave me a copy
    of Jules Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" when I was in
    third grade; I moved on from there to other Verne stories and
    H.G. Wells. By the time I was 12 I was probably well into the actual SF
    Golden Age, reading Asimov and the like. Dune and LotR in 8th grade or
    so, and finally getting into 90s science fiction by late high school.

    I didn't know anybody else who read SF (until I joined an IRC server run
    by a Vinge fanatic) so I was basically just discovering things on my
    own. Inter-library loan is a great thing for a teenager who's just
    discovered Pratchett, though!



    john

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Dimensional Traveler on Tue Jan 30 16:12:06 2024
    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I don't remember.  Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books.


    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed
    memories of others in this thread.

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to John on Tue Jan 30 04:08:45 2024
    John <john@building-m.simplistic-anti-spam-measure.net> wrote:

    On 2024-01-29, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/
    They say ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny, and I'd say my science
    [..] Jules Verne's "Journey to the Center of the Earth" when I was in
    third grade; I moved on from there to other Verne stories and
    H.G. Wells. By the time I was 12 I was probably well into the actual SF Golden Age, reading Asimov and the like. Dune and LotR in 8th grade or
    so, and finally getting into 90s science fiction by late high school.

    Yes, I eventually read a big chunk of the reviewed books for 1973,
    but lagged 4-20 years. It has been the same for music which I certainly
    didn't hear contemporaneously (recently discovered _The Church of Anthrax_).
    At the tender age itself I was reading a I'm-not-sure-how-much-abridged-but-it-seemed-really-long-at-the-time
    _20000 leagues_, Thea von Harbou's novel of _Metropolis_ (I think I
    could choose 3 books for a birthday), and a couple of anthologies.
    Only read juveniles later...

    FWIW, David Duffy.

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  • From Jay E. Morris@21:1/5 to Titus G on Mon Jan 29 21:45:21 2024
    On 1/29/2024 9:12 PM, Titus G wrote:
    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I don't remember.  Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books. >>

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed memories of others in this thread.

    Agreed. On a good day I can remember what I read last week.

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  • From Robert Woodward@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jan 29 22:25:30 2024
    In article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    My year was 1962. I think I have read about 30 of the top 100, almost
    all years later. The only one that I might had read in 1962 was
    _Triumph_ (I think I read a serialization of it in Saturday Evening
    Post).

    --
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    Imperial Auditor Miles Vorkosigan describes progress in _Komarr_. -----------------------------------------------------
    Robert Woodward robertaw@drizzle.com

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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to David Duffy on Tue Jan 30 06:17:03 2024
    David Duffy <davidd02@tpg.com.au> wrote:
    _20000 leagues_,

    PS Am I the only person who thinks branding stuff _Nobody_ is amusing to latin speakers -
    camping gear, yachting paraphenalia...

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Titus G on Tue Jan 30 09:17:53 2024
    On Jan 29, 2024, Titus G wrote
    (in article <up9peb$r5ah$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-
    of/
    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books.

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed memories of others in this thread.

    The local library had several shelves of Tom Swifts, Blyton, and Johns. And lots of RAH, the very first RAH I read was Between Planets, from the library.
    I spent lots of afternoons and weekends in the library. And I was inspired to get my own.

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to robertaw@drizzle.com on Tue Jan 30 14:35:31 2024
    In article <robertaw-65E746.22252929012024@news.individual.net>,
    Robert Woodward <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
    In article <up8pug$i2p$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    My year was 1962. I think I have read about 30 of the top 100, almost
    all years later. The only one that I might had read in 1962 was
    _Triumph_ (I think I read a serialization of it in Saturday Evening
    Post).

    I reread Triumph last year. Hours I will never get back...

    https://jamesdavisnicoll.com/review/your-world-will-melt-away
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Titus G on Tue Jan 30 08:09:34 2024
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 16:12:06 +1300, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books. >>

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I first >discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed >memories of others in this thread.

    Well, either that or extensive records.

    I'm not sure what I was reading back then either. Perhaps still Hardy
    Boys and similar series. Perhaps Heinlein juveniles. Perhaps Classics Illustrated.

    One problem is a certain ... jumbling ... of my memory timeline. Thus,
    I am tempted to list the book version of /Sinbad and the Eye of the
    Tiger/, but I was, in fact, 31 when the film came out!

    OK, the book came out first (it was, if nothing else, a marketing tool promoting the film), but still ...
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From David Dyer-Bennet@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jan 30 17:28:26 2024
    On 1/29/2024 12:14, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    I guess I turned 12 the fall of a school-year we spent in Switzerland,
    so I was reading VERY LITTLE SF then (I had read a lot previously). The
    only SF book I'm *sure* I had with me was EFR's Men, Martians, and Machines.

    I had read lots of Heinlein, but hadn't gotten into Doc Smith yet (I
    think I'd encountered Skylark but not followed up on it). Had read
    Asimov and Clarke and Anderson and Dickson and Norton and Nourse. I
    don't believe I'd read Tolkien yet.
    --
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Wed Jan 31 08:59:13 2024
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:05:01 -0800 (PST), Jack Bohn
    <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 16:12:06 +1300, Titus G <no...@nowhere.com> wrote:

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr. Popper's
    Penguins, probably some others that had originally been my mother's books.


    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I first
    discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed
    memories of others in this thread.

    Well, either that or extensive records.

    I'm not sure what I was reading back then either. Perhaps still Hardy
    Boys and similar series. Perhaps Heinlein juveniles. Perhaps Classics
    Illustrated.

    One problem is a certain ... jumbling ... of my memory timeline. Thus,
    I am tempted to list the book version of /Sinbad and the Eye of the
    Tiger/, but I was, in fact, 31 when the film came out!

    Yeah, 13, not 31!
    Although,,, going back 19 years, the first Harryhausen Sinbad movie came out in 1958.
    IsfDb doesn't list a novelization under either "Seventh Voyage" or "7th Voyage", and the entry for "Eye of the Tiger" doesn't have it as part of a series. (As you know, though, Harryhausen's Sinbad movies make no more of a series than any other movie
    or story with Sinbad in the title.) Maybe you made do with some standard Sinbad or Arabian Nights book.

    The problem is that I remember this book, or perhaps comic, as very
    much including the Greek professor and his daughter and the Minoton.
    Which is pretty specific to /Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger/.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Thu Feb 1 13:36:46 2024
    On 31/01/24 03:17, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, Titus G wrote (in article
    <up9peb$r5ah$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-


    of/
    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr.
    Popper's Penguins, probably some others that had originally been
    my mother's books.

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I
    first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the
    detailed memories of others in this thread.

    The local library had several shelves of Tom Swifts, Blyton, and
    Johns. And lots of RAH, the very first RAH I read was Between
    Planets, from the library. I spent lots of afternoons and weekends in
    the library. And I was inspired to get my own.


    I think my favourite books when 12 were _Robin Hood_ and _The Three
    Musketeers_ and I had read many Secret Seven and Famous Five by Enid
    Blyton but don't remember at what age. What did you mean by set in a "not-quite-parallel universe"?

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  • From Garrett Wollman@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 03:21:07 2024
    In article <upev92$1p4ri$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    I have no idea what I read in 1972. I can barely remember what I read >yesterday (Jumper). Probably a bunch of Heinleins, Asimovs, and
    Nortons. Maybe some Tom Swift Jr, Hardy Boys, etc.

    I too am amazed that people can remember what they read 50+ years ago.

    Some people read quickly and widely. Some people don't. Some people
    have a strong memory for texts. And apropos of James's original post,
    it can be vastly easier to remember the circumstances of having read
    something (or not) when presented with a specific list than it would
    be to enumerate unprompted. If I wanted to make a list of books I had
    read, I'd probably need to consult the spines in my library, and that
    would still leave me uncertain about a few titles (let alone
    everything I read as a teenager in the library that I don't now own
    copies of, from The Three Investigators to Alvin Fernald to Danny Dunn
    to a bunch of forgettable Asimov. (But I still won't forget that the
    library had very beat-up true first editions of both FOUNDATION and I,
    ROBOT.)

    There are a few books in the bookcase next to me right now that I can
    look at and say, "Oh, yes, I bought that because James Nicoll
    recommended it." I may not have read the book at all, but I remember
    enough abou the circumstances in which I came to own it. But the same
    bookcase contains a bunch of SFBC Pratchett omnibuses that, quite
    frankly, all blend into one another: I'm pretty sure that I've read
    them all but I couldn't say what they were about or whether I even
    liked them.

    -GAWollman

    --
    Garrett A. Wollman | "Act to avoid constraining the future; if you can, wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is Opinions not shared by| a thing you can do, are able to do, to do together."
    my employers. | - Graydon Saunders, _A Succession of Bad Days_ (2015)

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jack.bohn64@gmail.com on Thu Feb 1 08:25:10 2024
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 09:54:45 -0800 (PST), Jack Bohn
    <jack.bohn64@gmail.com> wrote:

    Paul S Person wrote:
    On Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:05:01 -0800 (PST), Jack Bohn
    <jack....@gmail.com> wrote:

    Paul S Person wrote:

    One problem is a certain ... jumbling ... of my memory timeline. Thus, >> >> I am tempted to list the book version of /Sinbad and the Eye of the
    Tiger/, but I was, in fact, 31 when the film came out!

    Yeah, 13, not 31!
    Although,,, going back 19 years, the first Harryhausen Sinbad movie came out in 1958.
    IsfDb doesn't list a novelization under either "Seventh Voyage" or "7th Voyage", and the entry for "Eye of the Tiger" doesn't have it as part of a series. (As you know, though, Harryhausen's Sinbad movies make no more of a series than any other movie
    or story with Sinbad in the title.) Maybe you made do with some standard Sinbad or Arabian Nights book.

    The problem is that I remember this book, or perhaps comic, as very
    much including the Greek professor and his daughter and the Minoton.
    Which is pretty specific to /Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger/.

    It either fell out of a time-traveling Delorean, or you have to fall back on the example of Doc Brown and say you felt like a boy again reading it!

    Or my memory of The Days of My Youth are a total hodgpodge of stuff,
    including stuff seen later.

    Things get easier once I started working. I know I first read LOTR
    either in HS or the first two years at the UW because I read it during
    the time I was working at the Seattle branch of the Library for the
    Blind. Which was mostly about mailing/received Talking Book Records.

    Although we had a small Braille collection, mostly for kids on a
    school outing. The bulk of our customers (so to speak, we were funded
    by the Feds) were older people who used to see just fine but didn't
    any more who had no interest in Braille.

    I also remember buying and reading every Ian Fleming novel I could
    find locally in paperback after seeing /Dr. No/ at a drive-in.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From rkshullat@rosettacondot.com@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Thu Feb 1 19:40:49 2024
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 12:14 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    I have no idea what I read in 1972. I can barely remember what I read yesterday (Jumper). Probably a bunch of Heinleins, Asimovs, and
    Nortons. Maybe some Tom Swift Jr, Hardy Boys, etc.

    I too am amazed that people can remember what they read 50+ years ago.

    I have a much better chance of remembering whether or not I've read a book
    than remembering when I read it. For example, most-reviewed in "my" year of 1975 is "The Forever War". I know that I've read it (several times) but have
    no idea when the first time was. Almost certainly not 1975, since that's the year of publication in hardcover. I see that Ballantine did the paperback
    in 1976, so that's the most likely.

    Robert
    --
    Robert K. Shull Email: rkshull at rosettacon dot com

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Titus G on Thu Feb 1 22:31:48 2024
    On Jan 31, 2024, Titus G wrote
    (in article <upep2u$1oc9h$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 31/01/24 03:17, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, Titus G wrote (in article
    <up9peb$r5ah$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinkin
    g-
    of/
    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr.
    Popper's Penguins, probably some others that had originally been
    my mother's books.

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I
    first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the detailed memories of others in this thread.

    The local library had several shelves of Tom Swifts, Blyton, and
    Johns. And lots of RAH, the very first RAH I read was Between
    Planets, from the library. I spent lots of afternoons and weekends in
    the library. And I was inspired to get my own.

    I think my favourite books when 12 were _Robin Hood_ and _The Three Musketeers_ and I had read many Secret Seven and Famous Five by Enid
    Blyton but don't remember at what age. What did you mean by set in a "not-quite-parallel universe”?

    Enid Blyton’s England was... related to, but not quite the same, as the
    real England. The real England wasn’t nearly as English as Blyton’s England.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to akwolffan@zoho.com on Fri Feb 2 03:45:29 2024
    In article <0001HW.2B6C99A402CA275C70000DED238F@news.eternal-september.org>, WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
    On Jan 31, 2024, Titus G wrote
    (in article <upep2u$1oc9h$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 31/01/24 03:17, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, Titus G wrote (in article
    <up9peb$r5ah$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinkin
    g-
    of/
    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr.
    Popper's Penguins, probably some others that had originally been
    my mother's books.

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I
    first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the
    detailed memories of others in this thread.

    The local library had several shelves of Tom Swifts, Blyton, and
    Johns. And lots of RAH, the very first RAH I read was Between
    Planets, from the library. I spent lots of afternoons and weekends in
    the library. And I was inspired to get my own.

    I think my favourite books when 12 were _Robin Hood_ and _The Three
    Musketeers_ and I had read many Secret Seven and Famous Five by Enid
    Blyton but don't remember at what age. What did you mean by set in a
    "not-quite-parallel universe”?

    Enid Blyton’s England was... related to, but not quite the same, as the >real England. The real England wasn’t nearly as English as Blyton’s >England.


    My father used to hate "Noddy" with a passion, ensuring that my sister
    forced him to read the books to her over and over.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to WolfFan on Fri Feb 2 18:02:40 2024
    On 2/02/24 16:31, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 31, 2024, Titus G wrote
    (in article <upep2u$1oc9h$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 31/01/24 03:17, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, Titus G wrote (in article
    <up9peb$r5ah$1@dont-email.me>):

    On 30/01/24 10:51, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
    On 1/29/2024 10:14 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinkin
    g-
    of/
    I don't remember. Likely the original Baum Oz books, Mr.
    Popper's Penguins, probably some others that had originally been
    my mother's books.

    I don't remember either but it wasn't science fiction because I
    first discovered Gollanz in the library when 13. I am amazed at the
    detailed memories of others in this thread.

    The local library had several shelves of Tom Swifts, Blyton, and
    Johns. And lots of RAH, the very first RAH I read was Between
    Planets, from the library. I spent lots of afternoons and weekends in
    the library. And I was inspired to get my own.

    I think my favourite books when 12 were _Robin Hood_ and _The Three
    Musketeers_ and I had read many Secret Seven and Famous Five by Enid
    Blyton but don't remember at what age. What did you mean by set in a
    "not-quite-parallel universe”?

    Enid Blyton’s England was... related to, but not quite the same, as the real England. The real England wasn’t nearly as English as Blyton’s England.


    Thank you. Being a 12 year old in New Zealand, I knew no better.

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to Nicoll on Fri Feb 2 12:41:29 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 18:14:40 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
    Nicoll) wrote:

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?


    My birthday is in the middle of summer, so I spent nearly an equal
    amout of time as a 12 year old in 1979 and 1980. Like others have
    mentioned, my memory's not good enough to know exactly what I was
    reading back then, but looking at the top 100 for each year I came up
    with these lists:

    1979 - probably read within a couple years of publication:
    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
    The Dead Zone
    Empire of the East

    1979 - read later:
    The Fountains of Paradise
    The Ringworld Engineers
    Berserker Man

    1980 - read close to publication:
    The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
    The Wounded Land

    1980 - read later:
    The Snow Queen
    Beyond the Blue Event Horizon
    The Magic Labyrinth
    Sundiver

    There were a handful of other books on the lists where the title and
    author sounded familiar, but I wasn't sure if I'd read them or not.

    So out of the 200 books that were most reviewed when I was 12, I've
    only read a dozen of them and only five "back in the day". I guess 12
    wasn't the golden age for me.

    -- Bob

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to kevrob@my-deja.com on Fri Feb 2 21:14:12 2024
    In article <4f9a1ffd-dfb0-42d2-9dd3-37c5aecb0d0en@googlegroups.com>,
    Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 5:31:29 PM UTC-5, Robert Carnegie wrote:
    On 29/01/2024 19:59, WolfFan wrote:
    On Jan 29, 2024, James Nicoll wrote
    (in article <up8pug$i2p$1...@reader1.panix.com>):

    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    Hmm.

    Tv tie-ins: Stingray, Captain Scarlet, Joe 90, Voyage to the Bottom of the >> > Sea

    Enid Blyton: her books were set in a not-quite-parallel universe

    W.E. Johns: his books were in a somewhat different not-quite-parallel
    universe; he also perpetuated a few books where the protags
    accidentally let
    a kitten loose on Mars and it Grew. And was quite annoying.

    Burroughs’ Mars and Venus books

    RAH’s juvies, starting with Between Planets, Space Cadet, and The Rolling
    Stones

    Asimov’s robot and Foundation books.

    A lot of Clarke, and Chandler, and E.E. Smith.

    A ton of Tom Swift, by ‘Victor Appleton’ and ‘Victor Appleton II’; >> > the nuclear powered submarine helicopter made anything in Joe 90 and >Captain
    Scarlet look tame.
    _Captain Scarlet_ was run from a permanently airborne
    aircraft carrier. In the 2000s or so, there was one
    in _Doctor Who_, exactly as a tribute to that, I assume.

    The CS one was 2 years behind the S.H.I.E.L.D, Helicarrier.

    https://www.comics.org/issue/19382/

    https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Strange-Tales-1951/Issue-135?id=33247#12

    August, 1965 issue, on sale in May

    Not to take anything away from Cloudbase, which was pretty fab.

    https://www.spectrum-headquarters.com/cloudbase.html later

    https://www.spectrum-headquarters.com/skybase_central/skybase.htm

    I was already familiar with the Sky City of the Hawkmen of Mongo, from watching
    the "Flash Gordon" serials on kids' afternoon TV, shown in the early
    1960s. WPIX,
    Ch 11, transmitted those on shows hosted by the late Chuck McCann.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/09/obituaries/chuck-mccann-zany-comic-in-early-childrens-tv-dies-at-83.html

    Re: 12, 13 or even 14:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2020/10/14/golden-age/

    My Golden Age would have been the tail end of 1968 and most of 1969.
    That coincided with my being given access to the adult stacks in my
    local; public library. Prior to `67 or `68 I was confined to the
    Children's Room,
    which did have some juvenile SF, such as the Heinleins, Nortons, "Paul >French" Asimovs, John Christophers, etc. I remember reading SF in my >brother's copies of "Boys Life," the Scouting magazine.

    See:

    https://file770.com/finding-heinlein-in-boy%E2%80%99s-life/

    for links, in both the article and the comments.

    My comic book reading was heavily canted towards DC's "Superman"
    family of mags, and the Julius Schwartz - edited superhero and SF titles: >FLASH, GREEN LANTERN, HAWKMAN, ATOM, JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA,
    and MYSTERY IN SPACE featuring "Adam Strange."† That strip didn't last >through
    1966, but by 1969 The Man of Two Worlds was appearing in reprinted form in, >aptly, STRANGE ADVENTURES. There were new stories in #222, and #226, the >last being a Gardner Fox text story, with illustrations by Murphy Anderson.

    https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html


    Infra-yellow!

    Though I rarely had money for comics, I liked all the DC heroes except
    Superman & Batman for some reason. JLA was a go-to purchase when I had
    a quarter. When I got money I shifted mostly to Marvel for some rason,
    but fell out with them around Civil War.

    Should this be added to Fox's isfdb page?

    † Adam is a 1960s Gulliver Jones or John Carter, though his Mars is
    the planet Rann
    in, originally, the Alpha Centauri system. Alanna, super-hot daughter
    of scientist Sardath
    is his Dejah Thoris. Instead of astral projection, he visits Rann via >trans-luminal teleport-
    ray - the Zeta-Beam. Sleek art by Carmine (The Flash) Infantino.

    --
    Kevin R


    DC has been tearing down all it's old heroes and Strange got the treatment recently. Apparently he's a war criminal now.
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to Kevrob on Fri Feb 2 16:34:34 2024
    On 2/2/2024 3:48 PM, Kevrob wrote:
    [snip-snip]
    My comic book reading was heavily canted towards DC's "Superman"
    family of mags, and the Julius Schwartz - edited superhero and SF titles: FLASH, GREEN LANTERN, HAWKMAN, ATOM, JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA,
    and MYSTERY IN SPACE featuring "Adam Strange."† That strip didn't last through
    1966, but by 1969 The Man of Two Worlds was appearing in reprinted form in, aptly, STRANGE ADVENTURES. There were new stories in #222, and #226, the last being a Gardner Fox text story, with illustrations by Murphy Anderson.

    https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html

    Should this be added to Fox's isfdb page? [snip]

    Good question. I have posted about this story on the ISFDB Community
    Portal to see what more comics-savvy editors have to say about it. Thanks.

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Jerry Friedman on Sat Feb 3 16:29:53 2024
    On 2/02/24 18:23, Jerry Friedman wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    OK, I lurk here once in a while, and I haven't posted in a decade or two, but this one I couldn't resist.

    snip

    I'm pretty sure I read snip and the Gormenghast books
    for the first time that year, but I didn't reread them that much.

    You have an impressive reading list for that age. I didn't read the
    Gormenghast trilogy until I was early twenties and have re-read the
    first two often, not the third as I didn't understand it until a decade
    or so ago after web searching reviews. At 12 and older, I doubt whether
    I would have been able to enjoy Peake's long descriptive almost poetic
    passages so wouldn't have completed a chapter.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to jerry.friedman99@gmail.com on Sat Feb 3 08:06:47 2024
    On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 20:08:40 -0800 (PST), Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, February 2, 2024 at 8:30:00?PM UTC-7, Titus G wrote:
    On 2/02/24 18:23, Jerry Friedman wrote:
    On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 11:14:45?AM UTC-7, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/

    OK, I lurk here once in a while, and I haven't posted in a decade or two, but
    this one I couldn't resist.

    snip

    I'm pretty sure I read snip and the Gormenghast books
    for the first time that year, but I didn't reread them that much.
    You have an impressive reading list for that age. I didn't read the
    Gormenghast trilogy until I was early twenties and have re-read the
    first two often, not the third as I didn't understand it until a decade
    or so ago after web searching reviews. At 12 and older, I doubt whether
    I would have been able to enjoy Peake's long descriptive almost poetic
    passages so wouldn't have completed a chapter.

    At that age I read everything, whether I understood it or not. I think I >also skipped more than I realized at the time. For instance, it was not
    my first or second time through LotR that I realized Rohan and the
    Riddermark were the same country. Maybe not the third.

    I kind of guessed you liked the Gormenghast books.

    Hm. I'll bet I read /The Worm Ouroboros/ that year and wasn't as
    horrified by the ending as I was when I reread it twenty or so years
    later.

    It wasn't until I reached Dostoyevskii in my Great Re-Read that I
    /finally/ understood why Raskalnikov did what he did and then turned
    himself in.

    This despite having read a Classics Illustrated version and the same
    physical book I read when I figured it out at least twice before. And
    studying it in (IIRC) High Schoo.

    Either CI or the teacher or both pushed the theory that Raskalnikov
    surrendered because the police inspector's psychological approach to
    catching criminals wore him down. This is simply not the case.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From The Horny Goat@21:1/5 to Dave on Tue Feb 6 01:54:16 2024
    On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:17:56 -0800, Dave <bcfd36@cruzio.com> wrote:

    On 1/29/24 10:14, James Nicoll wrote:
    The Golden Age of SF (But Not the One You're Thinking Of)

    What were you reading when you were 12?

    https://reactormag.com/the-golden-age-of-sf-but-not-the-one-youre-thinking-of/


    I actually have no idea what I was reading when I was 12. Probably the
    Hardy Boys. I had not yet seen 2001, but was watching Star Trek.

    When >I< was 12? I had watched the first three seasons of Star Trek,
    fantasized about 2001 (at least the Moon Colony) being a documentary
    and not fiction, and read the three Foundation books, falling in love
    with Arkady Darrell from Second Foundation. (Mostly hoping I met
    somebody "Just Like Arkady"!)

    Who I believe Asimov wrote as 14-15 years old. (I was by then
    definitely interested in girls but not in a big hurry as I knew I had
    lots of time. I remember when I was 15-16 Dad could see I was
    interested in girls but told me to take my time and be very sure I got
    the right one which I think I did even though she and him never hit it
    off - both are now gone, she after 37 years of marriage)

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