• Re: Lynn's six star list in February 2024

    From D@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Fri Feb 2 10:37:56 2024
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    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
    28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    Lynn


    Excellent! This will form the foundation of my search for a new book!

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 16:32:38 2024
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    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
    28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    Lynn


    I have read 9 of 26. That figure is not likely to change.
    2,3,4 The Heinleins to which I may have once awarded many stars but the
    last time I tried to re-read The Moon..., it read so poorly with
    unbelievably clunky style and dialogue that I did not get far.
    6 Jumper. A pot boiler for teenagers resting between masturbations.
    13 Not finished.
    16 Ender's Game. 5 stars.
    18 Recommended for insomniacs.
    19 The Postman. 3 solid stars.
    25 Murderbot. 3 stars.

    It was interesting to read such a list. I doubt whether I could be so
    precise with ranking but perhaps would prepare a group of close but
    unranked favourites.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Titus G on Sat Feb 3 12:00:12 2024
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    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024, Titus G wrote:

    On Thu, 1 Feb 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
    28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    Lynn


    I have read 9 of 26. That figure is not likely to change.
    2,3,4 The Heinleins to which I may have once awarded many stars but the
    last time I tried to re-read The Moon..., it read so poorly with
    unbelievably clunky style and dialogue that I did not get far.
    6 Jumper. A pot boiler for teenagers resting between masturbations.
    13 Not finished.
    16 Ender's Game. 5 stars.
    18 Recommended for insomniacs.
    19 The Postman. 3 solid stars.
    25 Murderbot. 3 stars.

    It was interesting to read such a list. I doubt whether I could be so
    precise with ranking but perhaps would prepare a group of close but
    unranked favourites.

    I'll add mine as well.

    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4 stars. Have read it 2 or 3 times, and still like it.

    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    3.5 stars. A bit too adolescent for me.

    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    3 stars. Can't remember much to be honest.

    So Heinlein for the win among the few that I read from the list.

    Best regards,
    Daniel

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  • From WolfFan@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Feb 3 17:05:09 2024
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    On Feb 1, 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote
    (in article <uph2gr$2838k$2@dont-email.me>):

    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber

    severe suspension of disbelief issues. 2.25 stars

    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein

    excellent. 4.75

    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein

    magnificent. re-read every ever so often. 5,75

    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein

    excellent. 4.5.

    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold

    very good. 4.25

    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould

    no comment.

    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling

    he sahould have moved with the Nantucket castaways. 3.5

    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer

    very good. 4

    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster

    Excellent. 4.75

    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo

    Dire. 0.5

    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo

    more dire. 0.25

    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

    Excellent. 5

    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle

    Excellent. 4.75

    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton

    didn’t read

    15. “Going Home” by A. American

    didn’t read

    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card

    very good. 4.25

    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline

    So-so. 3.75

    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir

    Excellent. 5

    19. “The Postman” by David Brin

    you gotta be kidding. 2.5

    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor

    didn’t read

    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong

    didn’t read

    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs

    So-so. 3.75

    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley

    very good. 4.25

    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz

    didn’t read

    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells

    Overrated. 4

    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein

    not his best, but even not his best is pretty good. 4

    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller

    didn’t read

    28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    not as dire as Ringo. Still dire. 0.75


    Lynn

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Lynn McGuire on Sat Feb 3 23:38:53 2024
    On 2024-02-01, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    Lynn’s six star list (or top ten list) in February 2024:

    1. “Mutineer’s Moon” by David Weber
    2. “Citizen Of The Galaxy” by Robert Heinlein
    3. “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Robert Heinlein
    4. “The Star Beast” by Robert Heinlein
    5. “Shards Of Honor” by Lois McMaster Bujold
    6. “Jumper” by Steven Gould
    7. “Dies The Fire” by S. M. Stirling
    8. “Emergence” by David Palmer
    9. “The Tar-Aiym Krang” by Alan Dean Foster
    10. “Under A Graveyard Sky” by John Ringo
    11. “Live Free Or Die” by John Ringo
    12. “Footfall” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    13. “Lucifer’s Hammer” by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle
    14. “The Zero Stone” by Andre Norton
    15. “Going Home” by A. American
    16. “Ender’s Game” by Orson Scott Card
    17. “Ready Player One” by Ernest Cline
    18. “The Martian” by Andy Weir
    19. “The Postman” by David Brin
    20. “We Are Legion” by Dennis E. Taylor
    21. “Bitten” by Kelley Armstrong
    22. “Moon Called” by Patrica Briggs
    23. “Red Thunder” by John Varley
    24. "Lightning" by Dean Koontz
    25. "The Murderbot Diaries" by Martha Wells
    26. "Friday" by Robert Heinlein
    27. "Agent Of Change" by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller
    28. "Monster Hunter International" by Larry Carreia

    Thanks for posting, Lynn. As I've said in the past, I don't like
    commenting on other people's lists without being willing to post my own.
    Lists are always somewhat idiosyncratic; dependent upon external factors
    like when in your life you read them. I want to encourage folks to post
    their own lists!

    In that spirit, here's a list from me. 3 levels of ranking, unranked
    within each group. Third level was actual me wanting to shorten the
    list and take some out of the second level, but I decided to give them
    anyways. Heinlein is special cased; I read and re-read so often
    in my early years that I don't know how I would rank them if I re-read
    them all now.

    _The Book of the New Sun_ Wolfe
    _The Murderbot Diaries_ Wells (the first one, but possibly the series)
    _A Deepness in the Sky_ Vinge
    _A Fire Upon the Deep_ Vinge
    _Lord of the Rings_ Tolkein
    _Watchmen_ Moore
    _The RiddleMaster of Hed (trilogy)_ McKillip
    _The EarthSea Trilogy_ LeGuin
    _Tigana_ Kay
    _Dune_ Herbert
    _Cyteen_ Cherryh
    _Ender's Game_ Card
    _The Stars My Destination_ Bester

    _Startide Rising_ Brin
    _Speaker for the Dead_ Card
    _The Dragon Never Sleeps_ Cook
    _Little, Big_ Crowley
    _In Conquest Born_ Friedman
    Heinlein (multiple but how many and which depends on the day)
    _Courtship Rite_ Kingsbury
    _The Armageddon Rag_ Martin
    _Middlegame_ McGuire
    _Sunshine_ Mckinley
    _The Mote in God's Eye_ Niven,Pournelle
    _The Witches of Karres_ Schmitz
    _Snow Crash_ Stross
    _The Persistence of Vision_ Varley
    _Aristoi_ Williams
    _Lord of Light_ Zelazny

    _The King's Avatar_ Butterfly Blue (Hu Dielan)(webnovel)
    _The Library at Mount Char_ Hawkins
    _Ninefox Gambit_ Lee
    _Way of Choices_ Ni (webnovel)
    _Small Gods_ Pratchett
    _Pavane_ Roberts
    _Super Supportive_ Sleyca (webnovel, ongoing)
    _A College of Magics_ Stevermer

    --
    Chris

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Chris Buckley on Sun Feb 4 17:24:04 2024
    On 4/02/24 12:38, Chris Buckley wrote:
    On 2024-02-01, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    snip
    Thanks for posting, Lynn. As I've said in the past, I don't like
    commenting on other people's lists without being willing to post my own. Lists are always somewhat idiosyncratic; dependent upon external factors
    like when in your life you read them. I want to encourage folks to post their own lists!

    I will do an unranked list later.

    In that spirit, here's a list from me. 3 levels of ranking, unranked
    within each group. Third level was actual me wanting to shorten the
    list and take some out of the second level, but I decided to give them anyways. Heinlein is special cased; I read and re-read so often
    in my early years that I don't know how I would rank them if I re-read
    them all now.

    Don't re-read. Preserve the early memories. I really enjoyed re-reading _Citizen of the Galaxy_ and _By His Bootstraps_ last year but others
    have been miserable, eg _The Roads Must Roll_ and even clever _Job_ was
    patchy.

    _The Book of the New Sun_ Wolfe

    3 stars. Have only read first two.

    _The Murderbot Diaries_ Wells (the first one, but possibly the series)

    The first one was great but the novelty wore off. 3 stars for the series.

    _A Deepness in the Sky_ Vinge
    _A Fire Upon the Deep_ Vinge
    _Lord of the Rings_ Tolkein

    All five stars for me.

    _Watchmen_ Moore

    Not read.

    _The RiddleMaster of Hed (trilogy)_ McKillip

    Did not like the weirdly archaic writing style.

    _The EarthSea Trilogy_ LeGuin

    3 stars.

    _Tigana_ Kay

    Not yet started though Fionavar was 5 stars

    _Dune_ Herbert
    _Cyteen_ Cherryh
    _Ender's Game_ Card
    _The Stars My Destination_ Bester

    All 5 stars except 2 star Cyteen which I read in 2014 finding it too
    slow and too complicated.

    snippage
    _Snow Crash_ Stross
    Stephenson? 4 stars

    _Pavane_ Roberts

    Another 2014 read that I re-read a few years ago enjoying it as much as
    the first time. 4 stars.

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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to Titus G on Sun Feb 4 14:39:48 2024
    On 2024-02-04, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:
    On 4/02/24 12:38, Chris Buckley wrote:
    ...
    _Tigana_ Kay

    Not yet started though Fionavar was 5 stars

    _Fionavar_ could definitely be included in my third ranking, as could
    another dozen or two books at least. People's opinions of early Kay like _Fionavar_ and _Tigana_ is strongly influenced by how much they enjoy
    emotional impact (aka "can tolerate emotional manipulation"). Technical
    writing skills and writing research gradually improve through Kay's
    career but emotional impact gradually lessened, IMO. I like emotional
    impact so prefer early Kay.

    snippage
    _Snow Crash_ Stross
    Stephenson? 4 stars

    Aarrgh! (Beat head against keyboard and then erase random characters.)
    Mental lapse. I like and read anything by both of them, but all the best Stephenson are a cut above the best Stross (and the worst Stephenson
    are a cut below the worst Stross, even worse than some of the late
    Laundry).

    Chris

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 15:23:15 2024
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    In article <68c9b8e2-fb02-a708-9771-521084795684@example.net>,
    19. =E2=80=9CThe Postman=E2=80=9D by David Brin
    3 stars. Can't remember much to be honest.

    Isn't that the one with Pablo Neruda? What a great poet!
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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