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  • Re: "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel Univer

    From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Fri Apr 19 03:24:07 2024
    In article <uvrvi7$2etvr$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    I need to reread Doc Smith's Lensmen books. I did not remember Worsel
    the Venusian dragon Lensman nor many of the other Lensmen.

    You do not remember the coolest of the non-human Lensmen? *
    *boggle* I always thought that all of the L2s should have
    found their counterparts and produced L3 children, especially
    the Velantians, like Worsel.

    I don't think any depection of him on covers (and especially
    that anime botch) have ever gotten him close to right.
    Though, I suppose, he's one of those alien designs that can
    sound good on paper which is ... really challenging ... to
    depict in a visual medium in a way that looks good.

    I was kind of iffy about "Pankera", but if Worsel is in it,
    I'm definitely going to have to read it.



    * Depending on your definition of "cool". Temperature-wise,
    Nadrek blows them all out of the water... er, liquid helium.

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Fri Apr 19 13:40:51 2024
    In article <uvtpgi$30h6m$1@dont-email.me>,
    Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 18/04/2024 15.24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel
    Universes" by Robert A. Heinlein and an introduction by David Weber

    https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Pankera-Parallel-Novel-Universes/dp/1647100291/


    I need to reread Doc Smith's Lensmen books.  I did not remember
    Worsel the Venusian dragon Lensman

    Rereading the Lensmen books is always a good thing to do. That's especially >true if it has been so long that you think that Worsel was a Venusian. He
    was a Velantian.

    If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex,

    Especially the rampant incest.


    I can't recall any incest in _Pankera_.
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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Tue Apr 23 04:15:38 2024
    In article <v078bh$1ddg6$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/19/2024 7:53 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 18/04/2024 15.24, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel
    Universes" by Robert A. Heinlein and an introduction by David Weber

    https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Pankera-Parallel-Novel-Universes/dp/1647100291/ >>

    I need to reread Doc Smith's Lensmen books.  I did not remember Worsel
    the Venusian dragon Lensman

    Rereading the Lensmen books is always a good thing to do. That's especially >> true if it has been so long that you think that Worsel was a Venusian. He
    was a Velantian.

    If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex,

    Especially the rampant incest.

    There is no incest in
    1. Methuselah's Children
    3. The Number Of The Beast
    4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera
    5. The Cat Who Walks Through Walls (so far, I am halfway through)

    Is sex with your clone sisters incest ?

    Clone, clone of my own,
    With the Y chromosone changed to an X..

    I have decided that "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress" belongs in this book >series due to many mentions in TCWWTW. The position is first since MC
    occurs after 2100.


    Which kinda sorta, maybe not really, means _The Rolling Stones_ belongs..
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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Wed Apr 24 00:30:36 2024
    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 15:24:38 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    There is a much better good review at "Long-Lost Treasure: The Pursuit
    of the Pankera vs. The Number of the Beast by Robert A. Heinlein" by
    Alan Brown

    https://reactormag.com/long-lost-treasure-the-pursuit-of-the-pankera-vs-the-number-of-the-beast-by-robert-a-heinlein/

    One of my first reactions upon reading the review was: who does he
    think he is, Philip José Farmer? However, the opportunity to read a
    (partially) new Heinlein novel - and a good one - is a wonderful and
    unexpected treat.

    John Savard

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Thu Apr 25 16:12:50 2024
    On 25/04/24 01:00, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 22/04/2024 22.02, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/19/2024 7:53 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 18/04/2024 15.24, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    snip
    Is it not probable that Dimwire's reading incomprehension is due to
    someone mischievously swapping the dust jackets on his hardbacks?

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sun Apr 28 00:35:12 2024
    In article <v0jsfr$jie9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 7:44 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 19/04/2024 00.57, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/18/2024 10:24 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

    I was kind of iffy about "Pankera", but if Worsel is in it,
    I'm definitely going to have to read it.

    * Depending on your definition of "cool".  Temperature-wise,
       Nadrek blows them all out of the water... er, liquid helium.

    Dejah Thoris and John Carter's son, Glinda the Good,

    Okaaay...

    Apparently Robert Heinlein's wife did not like the book so he rewrote it
    as The Number Of The Beast. Plus the copyright issues with Oz, Lensmen,
    and Barsoom.

    Lynn



    Well, they still went to OZ in NOTB. Barsoom was replaced with a glancing
    pass at a British colonized Mars, and they blinked out of the Lensman
    universe after a few seconds when it looked like the Lensmen might arrest
    Hildy for weed..
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    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Sun Apr 28 03:08:35 2024
    In article <v0kbu2$qn2i$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/27/2024 8:35 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <v0jsfr$jie9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 7:44 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 19/04/2024 00.57, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/18/2024 10:24 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

    I was kind of iffy about "Pankera", but if Worsel is in it,
    I'm definitely going to have to read it.

    * Depending on your definition of "cool".  Temperature-wise,
       Nadrek blows them all out of the water... er, liquid helium.

    Dejah Thoris and John Carter's son, Glinda the Good,

    Okaaay...

    Apparently Robert Heinlein's wife did not like the book so he rewrote it >>> as The Number Of The Beast. Plus the copyright issues with Oz, Lensmen, >>> and Barsoom.

    Lynn



    Well, they still went to OZ in NOTB. Barsoom was replaced with a glancing >> pass at a British colonized Mars, and they blinked out of the Lensman
    universe after a few seconds when it looked like the Lensmen might arrest
    Hildy for weed..

    "The Wizard of Oz" entered public domain long ago. At least some Barsoom >books are PD, not sure the year. The serialized version of
    Triplanetary, should be PD in 2029.

    pt

    As I mentioned in another thread, all of Smith's major works are now on
    Project Gutenberg, meaning that they are all in the public domain (at least
    to the extent the project can verify):

    Smith, E. E. (Edward Elmer), 1890-1965

    Children of the lens (English) (as Author)
    First Lensman (English) (as Author)
    Galactic Patrol (English) (as Author)
    The Galaxy Primes (English) (as Author)
    Gray Lensman (English) (as Author)
    Lord Tedric (English) (as Author)
    Masters of Space (English) (as Author)
    Masters of the vortex (English) (as Author)
    Robot nemesis (English) (as Author)
    Second stage Lensmen (English) (as Author)
    The Skylark of Space (English) (as Author)
    The Skylark of Valeron (English) (as Author)
    Skylark Three (English) (as Author)
    Spacehounds of IPC (English) (as Author)
    Storm Cloud on Deka (English) (as Author)
    Subspace Survivors (English) (as Author)
    Tedric (English) (as Author)
    Triplanetary (English) (as Author)
    Triplanetary (English) (as Author)
    The Vortex Blaster (English) (as Author)
    The vortex blaster makes war (English) (as Author)

    Well, I take back "all": I don't see _Skylark DuQuesne_ there.
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Sun Apr 28 08:46:44 2024
    On 28 Apr 2024 03:08:35 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <v0kbu2$qn2i$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/27/2024 8:35 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <v0jsfr$jie9$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 4/25/2024 7:44 AM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    On 19/04/2024 00.57, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 4/18/2024 10:24 PM, Mike Van Pelt wrote:

    I was kind of iffy about "Pankera", but if Worsel is in it,
    I'm definitely going to have to read it.

    * Depending on your definition of "cool".  Temperature-wise,
       Nadrek blows them all out of the water... er, liquid helium. >>>>>>
    Dejah Thoris and John Carter's son, Glinda the Good,

    Okaaay...

    Apparently Robert Heinlein's wife did not like the book so he rewrote it >>>> as The Number Of The Beast. Plus the copyright issues with Oz, Lensmen, >>>> and Barsoom.

    Lynn



    Well, they still went to OZ in NOTB. Barsoom was replaced with a glancing >>> pass at a British colonized Mars, and they blinked out of the Lensman
    universe after a few seconds when it looked like the Lensmen might arrest >>> Hildy for weed..

    "The Wizard of Oz" entered public domain long ago. At least some Barsoom >>books are PD, not sure the year. The serialized version of
    Triplanetary, should be PD in 2029.

    pt

    As I mentioned in another thread, all of Smith's major works are now on >Project Gutenberg, meaning that they are all in the public domain (at least >to the extent the project can verify):

    Smith, E. E. (Edward Elmer), 1890-1965

    Children of the lens (English) (as Author)
    First Lensman (English) (as Author)
    Galactic Patrol (English) (as Author)
    The Galaxy Primes (English) (as Author)
    Gray Lensman (English) (as Author)
    Lord Tedric (English) (as Author)
    Masters of Space (English) (as Author)
    Masters of the vortex (English) (as Author)
    Robot nemesis (English) (as Author)
    Second stage Lensmen (English) (as Author)
    The Skylark of Space (English) (as Author)
    The Skylark of Valeron (English) (as Author)
    Skylark Three (English) (as Author)
    Spacehounds of IPC (English) (as Author)
    Storm Cloud on Deka (English) (as Author)
    Subspace Survivors (English) (as Author)
    Tedric (English) (as Author)
    Triplanetary (English) (as Author)
    Triplanetary (English) (as Author)
    The Vortex Blaster (English) (as Author)
    The vortex blaster makes war (English) (as Author)

    Well, I take back "all": I don't see _Skylark DuQuesne_ there.

    Ah. But is that the USA Gutenberg or (say) the Australian one?

    Different countries, different laws, different books in or out of
    copyright.

    As the Australian Gutenberg said (it's been quite some time since I
    accessed it, so I make no claim about what it says) "if you don't line
    in Australia, download at your own risk". Or, rather, words to that
    effect.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 29 11:45:19 2024
    On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 15:24:38 -0500, Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com>
    wrote in <uvrvi7$2etvr$1@dont-email.me>:

    "The Pursuit of the Pankera: A Parallel Novel About Parallel Universes"
    by Robert A. Heinlein and an introduction by David Weber

    https://www.amazon.com/Pursuit-Pankera-Parallel-Novel-Universes/dp/
    1647100291/

    Book number four in a very loose series of six science fiction books. I
    read the well printed and well bound trade paperback published by CAEZIK
    SF & Fantasy in 2021 that I bought new in 2021. The book was found in
    Robert Heinlein's stored items in 2017 in many pieces and several
    editors put it together over three years for publishing. I plan to
    reread "The Cat Who Walks Through Walls" and "To Sail Beyond The Sunset" soon. I have yet to decide if I am going to reread "The Number Of The Beast".

    This book and "The Number of The Beast" are exactly alike through about
    first third of the books. After that, they are radically different.
    The current theory is that this book was written first and Virginia
    Heinlein vetoed it. Plus there were copyright problems. So RAH threw
    away the middle and end and rewrote it.

    I need to reread Doc Smith's Lensmen books. I did not remember Worsel
    the Venusian dragon Lensman nor many of the other Lensmen. But I read
    those books over fifty years ago and lost several of them when my house
    was flooded in 1989. Anyway, I really enjoyed the first third of the
    book and the last third of the book. The middle third dragged just a
    little bit, mostly because I have forgotten most of the Edgar Rice Burroughs's Mars books and I never read the Oz books.

    If you are offended by sex, and I mean lots of sex, in a book then I
    would advise you to stay away from this book and series. Except for the first book in the series, "Methusalah's Children". All of the books,
    except the first book, have group marriages in or mentioned in them
    which was first expounded by Heinlein in "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress"
    book.

    The book series is 1. Methuselah's Children 2. Time Enough For Love 3.
    The Number Of The Beast 4. The Pursuit Of The Pankera 5. The Cat Who
    Walks Through Walls 6. To Sail Beyond The Sunset

    There is a much better good review at "Long-Lost Treasure: The Pursuit
    of the Pankera vs. The Number of the Beast by Robert A. Heinlein" by
    Alan Brown

    https://reactormag.com/long-lost-treasure-the-pursuit-of-the-pankera-vs-
    the-number-of-the-beast-by-robert-a-heinlein/

    Jo Walton says that "The Number Of The Beast" is not Heinlein's worst
    novel by far, but, it is too long. She does not have a review for the Pankera book that I have found.
    https://reactormag.com/heinleins-worst-novel/

    My rating: 5 out of 5 stars Amazon rating: 4.4 of out 5 stars (2,648 reviews)

    Lynn

    [minor spoilers]

    After finishing _Citizen of the Galaxy_, I searched my Virginia collection
    for POTP. Not there. Bought the hardcover to shelve with the other
    volumes, as well as the kindle for instant gratification. Finished POTP yesterday, and I've got to say, it's better than NOTB.

    Would love to learn why Mrs. Heinlein would "veto" the book. Perhaps
    it was the genocide? The idea that an entire race of beings are _all_ deserving of death doesn't sit well with me...in fact, even detecting
    a single "Panki" on a ship was grounds for blasting it out of the sky.
    Wouldn't you try to warn the rest of the ship's complement first that
    they had a spy onboard?

    I daresay that if you take any population, it can be subdivided into
    factions. All they had seen were "evil" Pankera, but without looking for
    any potentially "good" Pankera, Our Heros did themselves (and potential
    allies) a disservice (to put it mildly).

    Maybe I'm reading too much into it.

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    -v

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Tue May 7 22:55:14 2024
    On Tue, 07 May 2024 22:51:08 -0600, John Savard
    <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
    On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:02:08 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is sex with your clone sisters incest ?

    It is likely to result in offspring with paired shared recessives.

    Which is a "yes", although there are characters in Theodore Sturgeon's
    "If all men were brothers, would you let one marry your sister" who
    would argue the point.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Tue May 7 22:51:08 2024
    On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 22:02:08 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    Is sex with your clone sisters incest ?

    It is likely to result in offspring with paired shared recessives.

    John Savard

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