David Johnston wrote:
Don wrote:
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's
just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of
the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins.
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>
Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.
Some Operation Paperclip people probably knew about King Laurins, as a
matter of fact (versus fiction). LOL.
Don wrote:
David Johnston wrote:
Don wrote:
King Laurin's a new literary tradition for me...
"But you're completely defenseless, sir!" retorted Claudrin
worriedly. "How will you defend yourself against these agents?"
"Agents...?" Rhodan chuckled. "You mean the invisibles? Let's >>>> just call them the Laurins. Do you remember the legendary king of >>>> the dwarfs who could make himself invisible? So - they're Laurins. >>>>
PR 128 "Atom Fire on Mechanica"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Laurin>
<https://archive.org/details/kniglaurinoderde00zing>
Yes, the American space program is doubtless filled with astronauts who
know that German folk tale.
Some Operation Paperclip people probably knew about King Laurins, as a
matter of fact (versus fiction). LOL.
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred’s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich’s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >Black Forest.
Don wrote:
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing
my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >>Black Forest.
I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing >>>my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >>>Black Forest.
I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:50:17 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing >>>my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >>>Black Forest.
I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic >scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA was, it appears, born in 1822.
Not the Middle Ages, when /Eifelheim/ occurs (the local "lord" returns
from, IIRC, a Crusade -- a real one).
Apples and oranges. Nice try, though.
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing >>>my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >>>Black Forest.
I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
Among its flaws, Darwinism fails to account for Mendelian
inheritance. Here's a re-post of a scientific paper exorcised from
another thread:
Mathematical Challenges to Macroevolution
In article <hqik3jt7g5jd338rbqj284sdp5kvlpr79r@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:50:17 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Paul S Person wrote:
Don wrote:
<snip>
My literary life lights upon another treacherous dwarf:
During the banquet, Peter of Rheinhausen, Manfred?s minnesinger,
sang from the Heroes' Book, choosing the passage wherein King
Dietrich?s band of knights attack the Rose Garden of the
treacherous dwarf, Laurin, so to rescue the sister of Dietlieb,
their comrade.
The excerpt's from _Eifelheim_ (Flynn), an audio book currently gracing >> >>>my ears. The time and place of its primary setting is 1348 - 1349 in the >> >>>Black Forest.
I recall my reaction to /Eifelheim/. I stopped reading the "novel"
parts because whoever wrote clearly had no idea how to write about the
middle ages. Also because one of the "novellette" parts gave away the
ending, or so I thought. I did read the "novellette" parts in
sequence, which were pretty good.
They should have gotten Eco to write the novel parts, in Italian, and
then had them translated by whoever translated, say, /Baudolino/.
Or at least somebody who wouldn't portray a medieval priest, however
well-educated for his day, as an early modern scientist. And didn't
confusing "boring" with "medieval".
This is, of course, IMHO.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic
scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA was, it appears, born in 1822.
Not the Middle Ages, when /Eifelheim/ occurs (the local "lord" returns
from, IIRC, a Crusade -- a real one).
Apples and oranges. Nice try, though.
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century >(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
Robert Woodward wrote:
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century >>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)
Don wrote:
The Right Reverend Gregor Mendel OSA is one example of a Catholic >>scientist. Mendel founded the modern science of genetics.Take it to alt.kooks
Among its flaws, Darwinism fails to account for Mendelian
inheritance. Here's a re-post of a scientific paper exorcised from
another thread:
Mathematical Challenges to Macroevolution
Abstract
The theory of evolution was advanced by Darwin in 1859, prior
to Mendel???s experiments demonstrating the particulate nature
of inheritance. The modern synthesis was formulated in the
early 1940s, well before the concept of coded information
was understood. This paper outlines four mathematical
challenges to the modern synthesis, which are based on
current understanding of the proposed mechanisms of
evolutionary change within the constraints of experimental
molecular biology.
(10.4236/jamp.2022.1011224)
or try and get it past peer review somewhere
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>
Paul wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
<snip>
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century >>>(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the
article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing
from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later.
And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)
Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could >continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 8 May 2024 17:56:02 -0000 (UTC), Don <g@crcomp.net> wrote:
Paul wrote:
Robert Woodward wrote:
<snip>
On the other hand, Roger Bacon lived in the 13th century
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon).
Yes he did. But he wasn't refurbished as a scientist, according to the >>>> article you cite, until the 19th century. Before that, he was a
philosopher with a pragmatic bent. Also a wizard.
He is credited with discovering the importance of empirical testing
when his results differed from Aristotle. I should note that differing >>>> from Aristotle got Galileo in a spot of trouble a few centuries later. >>>> And that Copernicus published his heliocentric system only after he
was safely dead (even the Holy Office can't torture you if you are
dead)
Careful there. Back in the day, England's Holy Office conceivably could
continue to carve-up a corpse. For instance, if the torture theatre
audience started to become unruly because their entertainment ended too
soon.
The Spanish Inquisition, in its constant search for seizable assets,
was known to dig up dead "hidden Jews", flog the bones, and confiscate
the wealth left to the survivors.
So, yes, the /corpse/ could be violated. But the person was sublimely
unaffected. Or writhing in flames and so unable to feel anything more.
Whichever applied.
And it occurs to me that, if they were in Purgatory (as a Lutheran I
do not, of course, accept the existence of Purgatory), the additional
punishment meted out by the Holy Office might knock a few millenia off
their sentence. And so not be entirely superfluous (as the mother says
about the next-day's wedding to her daughter in /The Wedding Party/).
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>
IIRC, at one time in England, miscreants were taken on a tour of the
country, hanged in various places for a while, then taken down before
they had managed to die from strangulation and then taken on to the
next favored location.
IIRC, /Braveheart/ illustrates "hanging, drawing, quartering" quite
well at the end. Only the last was fatal.
¡Drawing (removal of intestines and possibly more) wasnt fatal?
Don wrote:
<snip>
It was known then as 'Godly butchery' or 'three deaths'. Today, we
recognise the gruesome method of execution, /unique to England/,
that is seemingly synonymous with the medieval period as being
hanged, drawn and quartered.
<https://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/hanging-drawing-quartering-what-why-treason-disembowelment/>
"Pennyworth" the spinoff from "Gotham" was set in alternate 60s UK in
which hanging, drawing and quartering is broadcast live on TV from the
Tower of London. I recall several questions on the message boards at
the time which thought that this was the case in the real UK!
There are also gibbets on the streets of Westminster (which also
wasn't the case in the real world).
AFAIC this show managed to beat "Game of Thrones" for gore (I don't
watch any of the multiplicity of zombie shows, which may hold the top ranking).
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