Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
The Saturn Game by Poul Anderson
Amnesia by Jack Dann
In the Western Tradition by Phyllis Eisenstein
Swarmer, Skimmer by Gregory Benford
The Winter Beach by Kate Wilhelm
True Names by Vernor Vinge
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
The Quickening by Michael Bishop
Lirios: A Tale of the Quintana Roo by James Tiptree, Jr.
Mummer Kiss by Michael Swanwick
Sea Changeling by Mildred Downey Broxon
The Fire When It Comes by Parke Godwin
The Thermals of August by Edward Bryant
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
The Bone Flute by Lisa Tuttle
Disciples by Gardner Dozois
Going Under by Jack Dann
Johnny Mnemonic by William Gibson
The Pusher by John Varley
The Quiet by George Florance-Guthridge
Venice Drowned by Kim Stanley Robinson
Zeke by Timothy Robert Sullivan
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
I have read all of them. I would have picked either the Crowley or
the Hoban over the Wolfe, but only because I don't think the Wolfe
stands on its own.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novellas Have You Read?
The Saturn Game by Poul Anderson
Amnesia by Jack Dann
In the Western Tradition by Phyllis Eisenstein
Swarmer, Skimmer by Gregory Benford
The Winter Beach by Kate Wilhelm
True Names by Vernor Vinge
I have read the Anderson, the Benford, and the Vinge. The Anderson
might well be worst novella to win both Nebula and Hugo. Stupid voters.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novelettes Have You Read?
The Quickening by Michael Bishop
Lirios: A Tale of the Quintana Roo by James Tiptree, Jr.
Mummer Kiss by Michael Swanwick
Sea Changeling by Mildred Downey Broxon
The Fire When It Comes by Parke Godwin
The Thermals of August by Edward Bryant
I have only read the Swanwick and the Bryant. I am a bit surprised
I missed the Tiptree. Of all the SFF authors who murdered their
spouse, she was probably the best writer. Although one can make a
case for William S. Burroughs.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Short Stories Have You Read?
The Bone Flute by Lisa Tuttle
Disciples by Gardner Dozois
Going Under by Jack Dann
Johnny Mnemonic by William Gibson
The Pusher by John Varley
The Quiet by George Florance-Guthridge
Venice Drowned by Kim Stanley Robinson
Zeke by Timothy Robert Sullivan
Only the Gibson, the Varley, the Florance-Guthridge, and the Robinson.
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
I have read all of them. I would have picked either the Crowley or
the Hoban over the Wolfe, but only because I don't think the Wolfe
stands on its own.
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
In article <v1d8qu$38m1b$1@dont-email.me>,
Michael F. Stemper <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
I believe there are four books in that particular trilogy: The Shadow
of the Torturer, The Claw of the Conciliator, The Sword of the Lictor,
and The Citadel of the Autarch,
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
The Wolfe and the Crowley, of course. Very find books, reread often.
I've read the May twice, but the series goes downhill rapidly, at least
for me.
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
I agree with the May (and the other two). The May is one of the rare
cases where my opinion of the first book of a series went down as I
read more of the series. There are plenty of series where my opinion
of the series goes down after I read more, but not many where the
opinion of the first book itself goes down.
On 8 May 2024 13:06:36 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
I agree with the May (and the other two). The May is one of the rare
cases where my opinion of the first book of a series went down as I
read more of the series. There are plenty of series where my opinion
of the series goes down after I read more, but not many where the
opinion of the first book itself goes down.
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and
that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
(The books were written nearly 40 years ago so I'm skeptical ROT13ing
the above isn't needed to prevent spoiling)
On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:51:05 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On 8 May 2024 13:06:36 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
I agree with the May (and the other two). The May is one of the rare
cases where my opinion of the first book of a series went down as I
read more of the series. There are plenty of series where my opinion
of the series goes down after I read more, but not many where the
opinion of the first book itself goes down.
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and
that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
I've encountered that theory before. Also applied to the Red Sea with
the Bab al-Mandab the result of the breach.
Both, IIRC, were claimed to be what produced all those flood legends.
(The books were written nearly 40 years ago so I'm skeptical ROT13ing
the above isn't needed to prevent spoiling)
Unless you are saying that you have doubts about <ROT13ing the above>
not being needed to prevent spoilers, you may not mean what you
thought you meant.
And, if you had such doubts, why isn't it ROT13-ed? If you doubt it
isn't needed, doesn't that mean that it would at least be a prudent
thing to do?
Of course, my mind persists in inserting "that": "I'm skeptical that ROT13ing" rather than "I'm skeptical ROT13ing". Perhaps the latter
doesn't mean what /I/ think it means!
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and
that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
I've encountered that theory before. Also applied to the Red Sea with
the Bab al-Mandab the result of the breach.
On Fri, 10 May 2024 08:25:36 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and >>>that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
I've encountered that theory before. Also applied to the Red Sea with
the Bab al-Mandab the result of the breach.
Well I'm pretty sure the creation of the Meditteranean wasn't caused
by a psychokinetic 21st century time traveller who went back in time
and used his powers to break a critical rock face.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:51:05 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On 8 May 2024 13:06:36 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
I agree with the May (and the other two). The May is one of the rare
cases where my opinion of the first book of a series went down as I
read more of the series. There are plenty of series where my opinion
of the series goes down after I read more, but not many where the
opinion of the first book itself goes down.
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and
that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
I've encountered that theory before. Also applied to the Red Sea with
the Bab al-Mandab the result of the breach.
Both, IIRC, were claimed to be what produced all those flood legends.
The drying of both, and the subsequent flooding, aren't theories; they're >well established, with lots of evidence. Othboth occurred a few
million years ago, before modern humans evolved.
However, the Black Sea partially dried up during the Ice Ages, and flooded >again when the Mediterranean rose enough to enter through the Bosporus. >Various dates have been proposed, including around 5600 BC. That has been >proposed as the source of Flood legends.
Pt
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:51:05 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On 8 May 2024 13:06:36 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
I agree with the May (and the other two). The May is one of the rare
cases where my opinion of the first book of a series went down as I
read more of the series. There are plenty of series where my opinion
of the series goes down after I read more, but not many where the
opinion of the first book itself goes down.
I thought the first of the May books was the weakest of the series and
that they improved as she went on.
For me one of the best scenes was the creation of the Mediterranian
sea following the breaking of the rock formation of which Gibraltar
was part (and the only surviving portion of the rock face) - which one
of the main characters of the book played a critical part.
I've encountered that theory before. Also applied to the Red Sea with
the Bab al-Mandab the result of the breach.
Both, IIRC, were claimed to be what produced all those flood legends.
The drying of both, and the subsequent flooding, aren't theories; they're >well established, with lots of evidence. Othboth occurred a few
million years ago, before modern humans evolved.
However, the Black Sea partially dried up during the Ice Ages, and flooded >again when the Mediterranean rose enough to enter through the Bosporus. >Various dates have been proposed, including around 5600 BC. That has been >proposed as the source of Flood legends.
As I recall Randall Garret (mostly his wife due to his declining health)
had a series with pre-human cat-people in a pre-deluge Mediterranian basin. >Also, there is a Hugo winning XKCD sequence set in a future dry Med basin.
On 5/10/24 08:25, Paul S Person wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2024 00:51:05 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On 8 May 2024 13:06:36 GMT, Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:And, if you had such doubts, why isn't it ROT13-ed? If you doubt it
isn't needed, doesn't that mean that it would at least be a prudent
thing to do?
Of course, my mind persists in inserting "that": "I'm skeptical that
ROT13ing" rather than "I'm skeptical ROT13ing". Perhaps the latter
doesn't mean what /I/ think it means!
As far as I can tell, Thunderbird does not even do ROT13 anymore.
Annoying to say the least.
On 10/05/2024 22.37, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
As I recall Randall Garret (mostly his wife due to his declining health)
had a series with pre-human cat-people in a pre-deluge Mediterranian basin. >> Also, there is a Hugo winning XKCD sequence set in a future dry Med basin.
How can I find this?
On 10/05/2024 22.37, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
As I recall Randall Garret (mostly his wife due to his declining health)
had a series with pre-human cat-people in a pre-deluge Mediterranian basin. >> Also, there is a Hugo winning XKCD sequence set in a future dry Med basin.
How can I find this?
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that? (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:39:16 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" ><michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:=20
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that?=A0 (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
I think he may have been asking about selling books back after reading
them.
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:39:16 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards.
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that? (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
I think he may have been asking about selling books back after reading
them.
Of course, paper copies can be sold to used-book stores, but I
wouldn't think that would be "selling them back".
On 2024-05-28, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:39:16 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" >><michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards. >>>>>>
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that? (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
I think he may have been asking about selling books back after reading
them.
Of course, paper copies can be sold to used-book stores, but I
wouldn't think that would be "selling them back".
I did that quite a bit when young, but that was when I was buying
hundreds of books a year from used book stores and flea markets in
the first place. Several went back to the original store (at a 50%
or larger loss to me) so I would say that was "selling them back".
None of these books went back because of the writing quality of the--
book - they all were sold because I had more than one copy! At
10 to 20 cents per book (Oklahoma prices) it wasn't worth being careful.
In article <141c5jh8oj4gftt9js8b3n3h4srb73i36i@4ax.com>,
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:39:16 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" >><michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:=20
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards. >>>>>>
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that?=A0 (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
I think he may have been asking about selling books back after reading >>them.
Sure, you can do that but you cannot sell them back UNTIL you have read
them because... maybe you'll change your mind and want to see how they end.
On 28/05/2024 11.22, Paul S Person wrote:
On Mon, 27 May 2024 15:39:16 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper"
<michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:
On 27/05/2024 11.33, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 07/05/2024 14:03, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 06/05/2024 08.52, James Nicoll wrote:
Another round of Nebula finalists, this time from the 1982 awards. >>>>>>
Which 1982 Nebula Finalist Novels Have You Read?
The Claw of the Conciliator by Gene Wolfe
Little, Big by John Crowley
Radix by A. A. Attanasio
Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban
The Many-Colored Land by Julian May
The Vampire Tapestry by Suzy McKee Charnas
This seems to have been a bad year for my tastes.
I read the Wolfe, along with the rest of that trilogy. Then, I
sold them back.
Ditto the May (give or take it being part of a quadrology).
I got maybe fifty pages into the Crowley and sold it back.
You can do that? (Did we cover this before...)
I think that there was a lengthy discussion along the lines of "Do
you have to finish every book you start?" I don't think that I
ever participated in it, but now you know where I stand on the
issue.
I think he may have been asking about selling books back after reading
them.
What about selling them back after not reading them?
Of course, paper copies can be sold to used-book stores, but I
wouldn't think that would be "selling them back".
Why not?
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