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    From technovelist@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 20 13:09:41 2024
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant" (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer" realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

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  • From Chris Duck@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Mon May 20 18:13:46 2024
    Thanks!

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:22:22 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    technovelist wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant" (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer" realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

    It is "A work of art" by James Blish. The composer was Richard Strauss.

    Robert Mills edited an anthology in which authors were invited to submit >their best stories. This was Blish's choice.

    William Hyde


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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to chrisduck@coldmail.com on Tue May 21 00:34:30 2024
    In article <69mn4jppd29is4apku7o4njitkt5cpkhm6@4ax.com>,
    Chris Duck <chrisduck@coldmail.com> wrote:
    Thanks!

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:22:22 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    technovelist wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer
    is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant"
    (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer" >realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of
    the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or
    Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

    It is "A work of art" by James Blish. The composer was Richard Strauss.

    Robert Mills edited an anthology in which authors were invited to submit >>their best stories. This was Blish's choice.

    William Hyde


    That's interesting, in that it certainly doesn't sound as good as say,
    "Surface Tensin".
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to All on Tue May 21 00:34:52 2024
    In article <lb28gmF3ugeU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <69mn4jppd29is4apku7o4njitkt5cpkhm6@4ax.com>,
    Chris Duck <chrisduck@coldmail.com> wrote:
    Thanks!

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:22:22 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    technovelist wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer
    is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant"
    (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer" >>realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of >>the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or >>Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

    It is "A work of art" by James Blish. The composer was Richard Strauss.

    Robert Mills edited an anthology in which authors were invited to submit >>>their best stories. This was Blish's choice.

    William Hyde


    That's interesting, in that it certainly doesn't sound as good as say, >"Surface Tensin".

    Or "Surface Tension" even..
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to steve@subphysical.com on Tue May 21 00:59:56 2024
    In article <he4n4jllrbs57a2rh93s7r1rbf6omd40b2@4ax.com>,
    technovelist <steve@subphysical.com> wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant" (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)?

    This only works because he hadn't decomposed yet.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Tue May 21 14:52:55 2024
    kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:
    In article <he4n4jllrbs57a2rh93s7r1rbf6omd40b2@4ax.com>,
    technovelist <steve@subphysical.com> wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant" (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)?

    This only works because he hadn't decomposed yet.

    Groan.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to tednolan on Tue May 21 08:43:47 2024
    On 21 May 2024 00:34:52 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>) wrote:

    In article <lb28gmF3ugeU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <69mn4jppd29is4apku7o4njitkt5cpkhm6@4ax.com>,
    Chris Duck <chrisduck@coldmail.com> wrote:
    Thanks!

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:22:22 -0400, William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    technovelist wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer >>>is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant" >>>(my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer" >>>realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of >>>the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or >>>Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

    It is "A work of art" by James Blish. The composer was Richard Strauss. >>>>
    Robert Mills edited an anthology in which authors were invited to submit >>>>their best stories. This was Blish's choice.

    William Hyde


    That's interesting, in that it certainly doesn't sound as good as say, >>"Surface Tensin".

    Or "Surface Tension" even..

    That's because it is what the /author/ regarded as his best story.

    Or so I presume.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Tue May 21 19:19:39 2024
    In article <v2iqq8$no9s$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    In article <69mn4jppd29is4apku7o4njitkt5cpkhm6@4ax.com>,
    Chris Duck <chrisduck@coldmail.com> wrote:
    Thanks!

    On Mon, 20 May 2024 17:22:22 -0400, William Hyde
    <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:

    technovelist wrote:
    Anyone have a reference for a short story in which a famous composer
    is "brought back from the dead"
    by giving a completely nonmusical person a "personality transplant"
    (my term, I'm not sure what it
    was called in the story)? The twist is that the "revived composer"
    realizes just before they take
    away the personality transplant is that he is the critics' version of
    the composer, a complete hack
    with no actual original ability.

    I read this in a short story collection. It might be James Blish or
    Arthur C. Clarke but I haven't
    seen any titles that ring a bell in their bibliographies.

    It is "A work of art" by James Blish. The composer was Richard Strauss. >>>>
    Robert Mills edited an anthology in which authors were invited to submit >>>> their best stories. This was Blish's choice.

    William Hyde


    That's interesting, in that it certainly doesn't sound as good as say,
    "Surface Tensin".

    It's a complex story about identity, and while the context is distinctly >secular, I think it resonates with some of the religious issues which
    form part of Blish's fiction.

    Also, it's quite an original story, and the twist at the end is nice,
    the kind you should have foreseen, but probably did not. I can't imagine
    any other SF author writing it.


    In addition, he seems to have known a fair amount about Strauss, and
    this gave him a chance to look at the composer's work from the
    perspective of the reconstructed Strauss. The latter does not like some >aspects of the original's work, perhaps giving Blish a chance to air >longstanding irritations.

    If I were to write a similar story about Dvorak, for example, I'd have
    the reconstructed Anton wonder how he could have marred so great a work
    as this eighth symphony with such a slapdash ending (as I understand it,
    the musical world somehow disagrees with me about this, perhaps as much
    as I disagree with Blish about Strauss. How inexplicable!)




    William Hyde


    Thanks!

    I haven't read the story (obviously), and from the initial description,
    it sounded like a "gimmick" story like the one where Asimov had
    Shakespeare fail a class on Shakespeare...
    --
    columbiaclosings.com
    What's not in Columbia anymore..

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  • From Mark Shaw@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 15 03:31:24 2024
    What's the short story that inspired the film "Idiocracy"?

    Or maybe didn't "inspire" it, but the idea is the same. Might have
    been late Golden Age.

    --
    Mark Shaw moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm ========================================================================
    "Anyway, we delivered the bomb."

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  • From Mark Shaw@21:1/5 to Mark Shaw on Sat Jun 15 03:42:28 2024
    Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
    What's the short story that inspired the film "Idiocracy"?

    Or maybe didn't "inspire" it, but the idea is the same. Might have
    been late Golden Age.

    Never mind! I decided to kick my DuckDuckGoFu into high gear and
    found it myself: "The Marching Morons" by Cyril Kornbluth.

    --
    Mark Shaw moc TOD liamg TA wahsnm ========================================================================
    "Anyway, we delivered the bomb."

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to mshaw@panix.com on Sat Jun 15 11:47:34 2024
    In article <v4j1uc$n8k$3@reader1.panix.com>,
    Mark Shaw <mshaw@panix.com> wrote:
    What's the short story that inspired the film "Idiocracy"?

    Or maybe didn't "inspire" it, but the idea is the same. Might have
    been late Golden Age.

    Could be Kornbluth's _Marching Morons_ although Kornbluth has several
    other stories set in that same world. He is one of my favorite authors
    and deserves to be read more than he is these days.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Michael Benveniste@21:1/5 to Mark Shaw on Sat Jun 15 09:21:56 2024
    On 6/14/2024 11:31 PM, Mark Shaw wrote:
    What's the short story that inspired the film "Idiocracy"?

    Or maybe didn't "inspire" it, but the idea is the same. Might have
    been late Golden Age.

    Kornbluth's "The Marching Morons" and Vonnegut's "Harrison Bergeron"
    come to mind, but apparently the story was "inspired" by a trip to
    Disneyland.

    --
    Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
    Such commentary has become ubiquitous on the Internet and is widely
    perceived to carry no indicium of reliability and little weight.
    (Digital Media News v. Escape Media Group, May 2014).

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  • From danny burstein@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Wed Jun 19 21:12:02 2024
    In <v4vh1v$25ejk$1@dont-email.me> Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> writes:

    [snip]

    In 'The Marching Morons', one way Homo Dumb was misled to think he lived
    a sophisticated life was that his mediocre cars played fake vroom vroom >noises into the cabin.

    I was amused to find that now some 'sporty' cars do exactly this.

    Next up: Vacuum cleaners with added noise. Especially
    "whole house" units that would otherwise be whisper quiet..


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    [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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