• YASID: The Long Memories of Dragons

    From John Savard@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 19:00:54 2024
    I remember reading somewhere a mention of a memorable scene in a
    fantasy novel.

    A young man, who had devised a new and accurate calendar, noted that
    one of the corrections it required to keep in accurate synchronization
    with the seasons and so on... would happen only at very rare
    intervals. He feared that the long period of disuse might lead ot the correction being forgotten.

    And so he went to the abode of the dragons. He made a request of them;
    with their long lives and long memories, could they come and remind
    humanity, which had adopted his calendar, of that correction when it
    came due?

    On hearing of this request, many of the dragons laughed.

    The dragon to whom he spoke would not explain why they were laughing.

    Of course, the reason is obvious to the reader - the long memories of
    the dragons included the fact that, for long eons, no human
    civilization had ever survived for nearly as long as the interval
    until that calendrical correction would be required.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Sat May 25 19:42:29 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 19:23:35 -0600, John Savard
    <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

    And indeed from there I saw the answer, which David DeLaney had given
    me; I had gotten some details wrong; it was a woman, Segnbora, who
    spoke to the dragons - and the passage was from a supplemental chapter
    at the end of "The Door into Shadow" by Diane Duane.

    The actual passage involved was merely:

    "The Dragons have promised to remind human beings
    to insert another one-day intercalary day every 3300 years—though
    there is still disagreement over why they laughed so hard when they
    promised."

    ...so my memory had embellished it with considerable detail.

    John Savard

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to quadibloc@servername.invalid on Sat May 25 19:23:35 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 19:00:54 -0600, John Savard
    <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

    I remember reading somewhere a mention of a memorable scene in a
    fantasy novel.

    A young man, who had devised a new and accurate calendar, noted that
    one of the corrections it required to keep in accurate synchronization
    with the seasons and so on... would happen only at very rare
    intervals. He feared that the long period of disuse might lead ot the >correction being forgotten.

    And so he went to the abode of the dragons. He made a request of them;
    with their long lives and long memories, could they come and remind
    humanity, which had adopted his calendar, of that correction when it
    came due?

    On hearing of this request, many of the dragons laughed.

    The dragon to whom he spoke would not explain why they were laughing.

    Of course, the reason is obvious to the reader - the long memories of
    the dragons included the fact that, for long eons, no human
    civilization had ever survived for nearly as long as the interval
    until that calendrical correction would be required.

    First, I wondered where I might have seen that quotation, and so I
    searched to see if it was in Calendrical Calculations, by Dershowitz
    and Reingold, but it was not.

    Then I wondered if I might have asked this question before, and so I
    went to Google Groups, which still retains archival Usenet postings.

    And indeed from there I saw the answer, which David DeLaney had given
    me; I had gotten some details wrong; it was a woman, Segnbora, who
    spoke to the dragons - and the passage was from a supplemental chapter
    at the end of "The Door into Shadow" by Diane Duane.

    John Savard

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to John Savard on Sun May 26 07:55:17 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 19:42:29 -0600, John Savard wrote:

    On Sat, 25 May 2024 19:23:35 -0600, John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

    And indeed from there I saw the answer, which David DeLaney had given
    me; I had gotten some details wrong; it was a woman, Segnbora, who spoke
    to the dragons - and the passage was from a supplemental chapter at the
    end of "The Door into Shadow" by Diane Duane.

    The actual passage involved was merely:

    "The Dragons have promised to remind human beings to insert another
    one-day intercalary day every 3300 years—though there is still
    disagreement over why they laughed so hard when they promised."

    ...so my memory had embellished it with considerable detail.

    John Savard

    And transformed a female protagonist into a male?
    For shame! Typically patriarchal behavior.

    Could you refresh my memory on how to search Google Groups?
    Over the years I have tried occasionally, with mixed results.

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  • From John Savard@21:1/5 to mailbox@cpacker.org on Sun May 26 14:09:26 2024
    On Sun, 26 May 2024 07:55:17 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
    <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Could you refresh my memory on how to search Google Groups?
    Over the years I have tried occasionally, with mixed results.

    The tricky part is - at least for me - that you have to remember to
    correctly select, in the drop down box next to the search box, what it
    is you want to search.

    John Savard

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to John Savard on Mon May 27 07:56:47 2024
    On Sun, 26 May 2024 14:09:26 -0600, John Savard wrote:

    On Sun, 26 May 2024 07:55:17 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Could you refresh my memory on how to search Google Groups? Over the
    years I have tried occasionally, with mixed results.

    The tricky part is - at least for me - that you have to remember to
    correctly select, in the drop down box next to the search box, what it
    is you want to search.

    John Savard

    I just tried this with "anti-gravity room" trying to pull up a thread
    I once started in a space-science newsgroup (for information about a
    space-camp commercial my stepdaughter told me about). All of the hits were
    in rec.arts... or alt.folklore.urban; no science groups. That's the
    kind of experience that I meant when I said "mixed results."

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  • From Charles Packer@21:1/5 to Tony Nance on Tue May 28 07:33:32 2024
    On Mon, 27 May 2024 07:15:25 -0400, Tony Nance wrote:

    On 5/27/24 3:56 AM, Charles Packer wrote:
    On Sun, 26 May 2024 14:09:26 -0600, John Savard wrote:

    On Sun, 26 May 2024 07:55:17 -0000 (UTC), Charles Packer
    <mailbox@cpacker.org> wrote:

    Could you refresh my memory on how to search Google Groups? Over the
    years I have tried occasionally, with mixed results.

    The tricky part is - at least for me - that you have to remember to
    correctly select, in the drop down box next to the search box, what it
    is you want to search.

    John Savard

    I just tried this with "anti-gravity room" trying to pull up a thread I
    once started in a space-science newsgroup (for information about a
    space-camp commercial my stepdaughter told me about). All of the hits
    were in rec.arts... or alt.folklore.urban; no science groups. That's
    the kind of experience that I meant when I said "mixed results."

    If you first go to the specific Google Group you are searching
    for/within (for example, this group is https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/ ),
    then the down arrow in the Conversations field restricts your search to
    that group.


    But if I don't remember which newsgroup within, say, sci.space hierarchy I don't see any way to do a wild-card search within it.

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