• Today's ISFDB weirdness

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 13:34:07 2024
    ISFDB has a "disowned by its author" tag. The books thus tagged are:

    The Wind from Nowhere by J. G. Ballard
    Probe by Margaret Wander Bonanno
    The Star Conquerors by Ben Bova
    A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
    Survivor by Octavia E. Butler
    Rage by Stephen King
    Astronauci by Stanislaw Lem
    Aeneis by Virgil

    The Butler is a legit awful book, the only true dud Butler ever wrote
    (very early in her career). The Bova is also from early in his career,
    his first novel, written for Winston. I must have read it but I don't
    remember it. In fact, I thought the book Bova disowned was the sequel,
    Star Watchmen. The others, I don't know the backstories.

    Weird so many of them are from authors whose surnames begin with "b".
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  • From Chris Buckley@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Thu May 30 13:56:49 2024
    On 2024-05-30, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    ISFDB has a "disowned by its author" tag. The books thus tagged are:

    The Wind from Nowhere by J. G. Ballard
    Probe by Margaret Wander Bonanno
    The Star Conquerors by Ben Bova
    A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
    Survivor by Octavia E. Butler
    Rage by Stephen King
    Astronauci by Stanislaw Lem
    Aeneis by Virgil

    The Butler is a legit awful book, the only true dud Butler ever wrote
    (very early in her career). The Bova is also from early in his career,
    his first novel, written for Winston. I must have read it but I don't remember it. In fact, I thought the book Bova disowned was the sequel,
    Star Watchmen. The others, I don't know the backstories.

    Weird so many of them are from authors whose surnames begin with "b".

    Interesting. But no Harlan Ellison? I know he disowned SF TV scripts,
    and he bought up copies of his _Doomsman_ novel so he could destroy
    them - I don't know if that counts as disowning.

    Chris

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to alan@sabir.com on Thu May 30 14:21:15 2024
    In article <lbret1Fc66qU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Chris Buckley <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-30, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    ISFDB has a "disowned by its author" tag. The books thus tagged are:

    The Wind from Nowhere by J. G. Ballard
    Probe by Margaret Wander Bonanno
    The Star Conquerors by Ben Bova
    A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
    Survivor by Octavia E. Butler
    Rage by Stephen King
    Astronauci by Stanislaw Lem
    Aeneis by Virgil

    The Butler is a legit awful book, the only true dud Butler ever wrote
    (very early in her career). The Bova is also from early in his career,
    his first novel, written for Winston. I must have read it but I don't
    remember it. In fact, I thought the book Bova disowned was the sequel,
    Star Watchmen. The others, I don't know the backstories.

    Weird so many of them are from authors whose surnames begin with "b".

    Interesting. But no Harlan Ellison? I know he disowned SF TV scripts,
    and he bought up copies of his _Doomsman_ novel so he could destroy
    them - I don't know if that counts as disowning.

    It is almost as though that tag was added by someone who got tired of
    using it early in the alphabet.

    The Bonanno is there because Probe was actually mostly written by
    Gene Deweese.

    https://fanlore.org/wiki/This_is_the_tale_of_PROBE:_The_Novel_I_Didn%27t_Write

    Rage is about a Columbine-style school well regulated militiaing.

    The Ballard was apparently hackwork to get his foot in the book
    of paperback publishing.

    The Burgess omitted a vital chapter.

    The Virgil was not finished. Still isn't, even thought the author
    has had lots of time.
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Thu May 30 20:56:00 2024
    On 2024-05-30, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

    ISFDB has a "disowned by its author" tag. The books thus tagged are:

    Astronauci by Stanislaw Lem

    That was Lem's first novel. I think it was the last ever book I
    read in translation. There was some nonsense on the first few pages
    where I couldn't figure out if it was from a naive young Lem or
    from a science-illiterate translator--an issue that has been plaguing
    the genre, because translators tend to come from a humanities
    background.

    I don't think the novel was THAT bad, and it already had the theme
    of aliens being too alien for our understanding that Lem would
    return to again and again, but yes, it wasn't up to the level of
    Lem's later output.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Default User@21:1/5 to William Hyde on Fri May 31 01:30:50 2024
    William Hyde wrote:

    Stephen Jay Gould, on the other hand, expressed a wish to buy up and
    destroy every copy of his first book of essays. Now that's disowning.

    Which book specifically? Wikipedia lists the first as Ever Since
    Darwin, and I didn't see anything about that being problematic in a
    brief web search.


    Brian

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 08:54:28 2024
    On 30 May 2024 at 15:21:15 BST, "James Nicoll" <James Nicoll> wrote:

    The Burgess omitted a vital chapter.

    Is that a literal misprint issue at the publisher, or a "Burgess really
    needed to finish the novel and didn't, leaving it a pointless unpleasant
    mess" snark?

    Cheers - Jaimie
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    It's OK. I'm an atheist catholic.
    So you just feel guilty for /no readily apparent reason/.
    - deKay and Gareth Halfacree, ugvm

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  • From Bice@21:1/5 to jaimie@usually.sessile.org on Fri May 31 11:24:55 2024
    On 31 May 2024 08:54:28 GMT, Jaimie Vandenbergh
    <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:

    On 30 May 2024 at 15:21:15 BST, "James Nicoll" <James Nicoll> wrote:

    The Burgess omitted a vital chapter.

    Is that a literal misprint issue at the publisher, or a "Burgess really >needed to finish the novel and didn't, leaving it a pointless unpleasant >mess" snark?

    According to this:

    https://www.anthonyburgess.org/blog-posts/did-anthony-burgess-hate-the-american-ending-of-a-clockwork-orange

    it's a myth that Burgess didn't like the American version of the book
    which dropped the final chapter. Burgess himself approved the change.

    The American version ends like the movie did, with Alex still a nasty
    bastard, having "recovered" from his treatment.

    The British version has a final chapter in wich Alex grows up, reforms
    himself and starts to consider settling down and having a family.

    Maybe it's just because I saw the movie long before I read the book,
    but I think it works much better without that last chapter.

    -- Bob

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  • From Kevrob@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Fri May 31 18:53:32 2024
    On 5/30/2024 11:44 AM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 5/30/2024 10:21 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <lbret1Fc66qU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Chris Buckley  <alan@sabir.com> wrote:
    On 2024-05-30, James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    ISFDB has a "disowned by its author" tag. The books thus tagged are:

    The Wind from Nowhere by J. G. Ballard
    Probe by Margaret Wander Bonanno
    The Star Conquerors by Ben Bova
    A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
    Survivor by Octavia E. Butler
    Rage by Stephen King
    Astronauci by Stanislaw Lem
    Aeneis by Virgil

    The Butler is a legit awful book, the only true dud Butler ever wrote
    (very early in her career). The Bova is also from early in his career, >>>> his first novel, written for Winston. I must have read it but I don't
    remember it. In fact, I thought the book Bova disowned was the sequel, >>>> Star Watchmen. The others, I don't know the backstories.

    Weird so many of them are from authors whose surnames begin with "b".

    Interesting. But no Harlan Ellison?  I know he disowned SF TV scripts,
    and he bought up copies of his _Doomsman_ novel so he could destroy
    them - I don't know if that counts as disowning.

    It is almost as though that tag was added by someone who got tired of
    using it early in the alphabet.

    The Bonanno is there because Probe was actually mostly written by
    Gene Deweese.

    https://fanlore.org/wiki/This_is_the_tale_of_PROBE:_The_Novel_I_Didn%27t_Write

    Rage is about a Columbine-style school well regulated militiaing.

    The Ballard was apparently hackwork to get his foot in the book
    of paperback publishing.

    The Burgess omitted a vital chapter.

    The Virgil was not finished. Still isn't, even thought the author
    has had lots of time.

    The Ballard is indeed his first published novel. Its a not-so-cozy catastrophe, a format he repeated for his next three novels.

    pt

    [quote]

    Burgess dismissed A Clockwork Orange as "too didactic to be
    artistic".[33] He said that the violent content of the novel "nauseated" him.[34]

    In 1985, Burgess published Flame into Being: The Life and Work of D. H. Lawrence and while discussing Lady Chatterley's Lover in his biography,
    Burgess compared the notoriety of D. H. Lawrence's novel with A
    Clockwork Orange: "We all suffer from the popular desire to make the
    known notorious. The book I am best known for, or only known for, is a
    novel I am prepared to repudiate: written a quarter of a century ago, a
    jeu d'esprit knocked off for money in three weeks, it became known as
    the raw material for a film which seemed to glorify sex and violence.
    The film made it easy for readers of the book to misunderstand what it
    was about, and the misunderstanding will pursue me until I die. I should
    not have written the book because of this danger of misinterpretation,
    and the same may be said of Lawrence and Lady Chatterley's Lover."[35]

    [/quote] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clockwork_Orange_(novel)

    A testimony to "the only reason to write is for the money," and its consequences?

    --
    Kevin R





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