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We have set it down as a law to ourselves to examine
things to the bottom, and not to receive upon credit,
or reject upon probability, until these have passed a
due examination. - Bacon's Natural History.

_The Tempest_ is popularly interpreted as an allegory for Freemason
initiation [1][2]. And some Shakespearean scholars simultaneously see _Forbidden Planet_ as an adaptation of _The Tempest_ [3][4].
Given all of the above, it's fun to forage for Freemason forms in _Forbidden Planet_."
The link below shows some symbols spotted in the movie along with associated commentary. Views expressed are for informational purposes
only; they do not constitute an endorsement or an approval of
Freemasonry, Shakespeare, or Bacon.

<https://crcomp.net/arts/forbidden/index.php>

Do you see other, overlooked, occult Freemason symbols in
_Forbidden Planet_? Append any additional speculative symbology you spot
to this thread.

Danke,

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I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

John Savard

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John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

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On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:

John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

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On 4/06/24 09:18, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 6/3/2024 1:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:

John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes,
we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.

Loyalty is encouraged, but not the extent doing wrong by non-members.

The Freemason stereotype, (where there is smoke, there is fire), values
loyalty above principle. The literary cliche is a Masonic judge excusing
a Masonic accused but influence in commerce would be more prevalent.

Women are honored, they just can't join regular Masonry.

Nor can other honoured household appliances :p

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On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 17:21:10 -0400, Cryptoengineer
<petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

On 6/3/2024 5:18 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 6/3/2024 1:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:

John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes,
we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

Loyalty is encouraged, but not the extent doing wrong by non-members.

Women are honored, they just can't join regular Masonry. There are a
number of options for them, such as Easter Star, and there's growing
appreciation and cooperation with women's groups such as hfaf.org
and owf.org.

Obedience? To who? For what? You think someone is giving orders?
If someone doesn't like something, they can easily quit.

Blanked on the url for the Order of Women Freemasons.
Its https://www.owf.org.uk/

I suspect "Easter Star" was not quite right either.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/06/24 09:18, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 6/3/2024 1:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:

John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to
Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes,
we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.

I'm sorry I started this ;) I was alluding to the Masonic Hive (3.1B members), run by a neo-Latin speaking emperor. Our narrator says:

"Here once again, reader, we manage to both believe and not believe. We
say we are not so gullible as to accept the propaganda that the Masons
are as ancient as the cults of Mithras and Orpheus. We say that we do
not believe they conspired from the shadows, guiding human progress for millennia before the Church War???s chaos...But something inside us
can???t believe it???s all invention. It feels so ancient..."

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David Duffy wrote:

Titus G wrote:

Cryptoengineer wrote:

Titus G wrote:

David Duffy wrote:

John Savard wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to >>>>>> Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes, >>> we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to
Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert
aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.

I'm sorry I started this ;) I was alluding to the Masonic Hive (3.1B members),
run by a neo-Latin speaking emperor. Our narrator says:

"Here once again, reader, we manage to both believe and not believe. We
say we are not so gullible as to accept the propaganda that the Masons
are as ancient as the cults of Mithras and Orpheus. We say that we do
not believe they conspired from the shadows, guiding human progress for millennia before the Church War's chaos...But something inside us
can't believe it's all invention. It feels so ancient..."

FWIW Haywood dates Freemasonry back to antiquity (after an enlighted introductory quote):

"Unto the divine light of the holy altar, from the outer darkness
of ignorance, through the shadow of our earth life, winds the
beautiful path of initiation."

SYMBOLICAL MASONRY
AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF SYMBOLICAL FREEMASONRY

The question is often asked, How old is Masonry and where did it
begin? The answer must depend entirely on one's definition of the
word. If by that term one means a Freemason in the modern sense,
who is a member of a subordinate lodge operating under the
authority of a Grand Lodge and practising the rites of Symbolical
Masonry, then Freemasonry came into existence in London in 1717.
But this present day Craft is in historical continuity with lodges
or guilds of Masons who in earlier days engaged in the tasks of
actual building: if the word Freemason is to be extended to those
brethren then we may say that Freemasonry came into existence in
the twelfth century along with Gothic architecture and that its
cradle was very probably the northwestern corner of France. But if
the word Freemason is to be applied to any secret society that makes
use, or has made use, of some of our symbols or signs, then
Freemasonry goes a long way back into history, because there were
organisations among the Græco-Roman peoples, two or three thousand
years ago, that had much in common with ours: and it is certain that
the ancient Egyptians made use of several of the symbols or emblems
that we are accustomed to because we find them in "The Book of the Dead,"
and in other Egyptian memorials. If Freemasonry is given the widest
possible sense of being merely a secret fraternity then it has existed
in many parts of the world for thousands and thousands of years,
because primitive tribes have made use of such organisations through an
untold period of time."

<https://sacred-texts.com/mas/syma/syma04.htm>

Danke,

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On 5/06/24 17:04, David Duffy wrote:

Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:

On 4/06/24 09:18, Cryptoengineer wrote:

On 6/3/2024 1:07 AM, Titus G wrote:

On 3/06/24 11:28, David Duffy wrote:

John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:

I didn't have to know anything about Freemasonry to suspect the
original post was nonsense.
However, what little I do know allowed me to spot the references to >>>>>> Freemasonry in Robert A. Heinlein's story "If This Goes On...".
So Freemasonry has been referenced in SF.

I am suspicious that there might be references to Freemasonry in
Ada Palmer's _Terra Ignota_ series.

I know little about Freemasonry but Terra Ignota did feature a secret
society amongst the aristocracy that placed loyalty above principle.
However women were rated more highly than kitchen appliances.
And obedience wasn't enforced with ritual.

Your first statemeny 'I know little about freemasonry' is correct, and
the rest the paragraph gives examples proving that.

Freemasonry has members from all classes - the dues are pretty low. Yes, >>> we have aristocrats. We also have truck drivers.

You have misunderstood. I will elaborate. There are overt references to
Freemasonry in Terra Ignota though I assumed that the secret society
aspect alluded to by David Duffy is referring specifically to the covert
aristocratic group in Terra Ignota rather than aristocracy membership
being a prerequisite applicable to Freemasonry membership in general.

I'm sorry I started this ;) I was alluding to the Masonic Hive (3.1B members),
run by a neo-Latin speaking emperor. Our narrator says:

"Here once again, reader, we manage to both believe and not believe. We
say we are not so gullible as to accept the propaganda that the Masons
are as ancient as the cults of Mithras and Orpheus. We say that we do
not believe they conspired from the shadows, guiding human progress for millennia before the Church War???s chaos...But something inside us
can???t believe it???s all invention. It feels so ancient..."

As previously stated I know little about Freemasonry and related your
comment regarding Terra Ignota to the secret society of political
heavies but think that the overt references to Masonry in Terra Ignota
were clearly a far in the future version because the hive was a
political and a religious organisation which Freemasonry nowadays claims
not to be. Wasn't MASON in Terra Ignota an actual God?

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On 6/12/2024 3:51 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

On 12/06/2024 14.21, Robert Carnegie wrote:

On 03/06/2024 23:39, Scott Dorsey wrote:

Cryptoengineer  <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

No one 'reads' "forbidden Plant". Its a movie. But your point remains. >>>> Sometimes a cook's apron is just a cook's apron.

You know, that is a great title for a book about weed smuggling.

I disagree.
How about _The Hash on the Borderland_?

What about Simak's _All Flesh is Grass_?

Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea used Masonic tropes.

Wilson wrote this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Historical_Illuminatus_Chronicles

One of the books was even called "The Widow's Son."

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