• Re: Resurrection of a venerable SF trope - Planet 4.5

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Tue Jul 2 15:55:10 2024
    In article <v615j7$1maki$1@dont-email.me>,
    Cryptoengineer <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:
    Ever since Bode's Law was formulated in the 18th century, and
    especially after the discovery of Ceres in 1801, there has been
    speculation about an unknown planet between Mars and Jupiter.

    When the extent of the asteroid belt was found, this extended to
    the idea that the asteroids were the remnants of an earlier planet
    that was somehow destroyed.

    A number of SF stories used this trope - up to and including, iirc,
    '2001'.

    Later science would settle on the notion that the asteroids were
    never a planet, they were left over unconsolidated material from
    the formation of the solar system.

    In the last year, we finally got back some pristine sample of
    asteroid material, from Bennu.

    Very recently some early research results were published. To
    everyone's surprise, the minerals found included serpentine.
    a mineral which forms underwater.

    https://www.nasa.gov/missions/osiris-rex/surprising-phosphate-finding-in-nasas-osiris-rex-asteroid-sample/

    This suggests that Bennu was once part of a planet, big
    enough to support liquid water. Not neccesarily on the surface,
    but perhaps as a ice-over ocean, similar the Jovian moons.

    So, there really *was* a planet 4.5, between Mars and Jupiter.

    An old tool in the SF authors toolbox can be used again.

    pt



    It's not that old. Hogan used it. Crap that was 1977. Ok, it's old.
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to naddy@mips.inka.de on Tue Jul 2 22:09:14 2024
    In article <slrnv88p19.290k.naddy@lorvorc.mips.inka.de>,
    Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
    On 2024-07-02, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:

    So, there really *was* a planet 4.5, between Mars and Jupiter.

    An old tool in the SF authors toolbox can be used again.

    It's not that old. Hogan used it. Crap that was 1977. Ok, it's old.

    _Perry Rhodan_ used it before that (#265, 1966).

    Edmond Hamilton used it even earlier in the Captain Future story
    _The Lost World of Time_ (1941).


    Oh sure, I'm aware of lots of "older" uses, but in my mind Hogan is
    a recent author.
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to ted@loft.tnolan.com on Tue Jul 2 20:33:45 2024
    On 2024-07-02, Ted Nolan <tednolan> <ted@loft.tnolan.com> wrote:

    So, there really *was* a planet 4.5, between Mars and Jupiter.

    An old tool in the SF authors toolbox can be used again.

    It's not that old. Hogan used it. Crap that was 1977. Ok, it's old.

    _Perry Rhodan_ used it before that (#265, 1966).

    Edmond Hamilton used it even earlier in the Captain Future story
    _The Lost World of Time_ (1941).

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 2 22:35:32 2024
    It was a young child, just like you, playing with matches. They lit something off and the whole planet exploded. So just let that be a lesson to you! --scott
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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Jul 3 00:34:04 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    It was a young child, just like you, playing with matches. They lit something
    off and the whole planet exploded. So just let that be a lesson to you! --scott

    He didn't know it was antimatter until it was too late.

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  • From Bobbie Sellers@21:1/5 to Cryptoengineer on Mon Aug 5 20:00:49 2024
    On 7/2/24 08:15, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    Ever since Bode's Law was formulated in the 18th century, and
    especially after the discovery of Ceres in 1801, there has been
    speculation about an unknown planet between Mars and Jupiter.

    When the extent of the asteroid belt was found, this extended to
    the idea that the asteroids were the remnants of an earlier planet
    that was somehow destroyed.

    A number of SF stories used this trope - up to and including, iirc,
    '2001'.

    Later science would settle on the notion that the asteroids were
    never a planet, they were left over unconsolidated material from
    the formation of the solar system.

    In the last year, we finally got back some pristine sample of
    asteroid material, from Bennu.

    Very recently some early research results were published. To
    everyone's surprise, theĀ  minerals found included serpentine.
    a mineral which forms underwater.

    https://www.nasa.gov/missions/osiris-rex/surprising-phosphate-finding-in-nasas-osiris-rex-asteroid-sample/

    This suggests that Bennu was once part of a planet, big
    enough to support liquid water. Not neccesarily on the surface,
    but perhaps as a ice-over ocean, similar the Jovian moons.

    So, there really *was* a planet 4.5, between Mars and Jupiter.

    An old tool in the SF authors toolbox can be used again.

    pt


    The planet that the asteroid and indeed the rest of the
    Solar System are composed of were quite likely other
    star systems destroyed by more or less natural processes, since
    the beginning of the Universe some 13.4 billion years ago. Maybe
    we are nth generation of star system formation. Remember it has
    recently been formulated that all the gold on Earth now was
    produced in the throes of super novae.
    So it is with all the matter of the Universe being
    recycled into new arrangements at least within Local Groups.

    bliss

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