On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote:
Four volunteers have spent 378 days living in a 1,700-square-foot space
3D-printed by NASA to simulate conditions on Mars. Fascinating.
"The volunteers grew their own vegetables, maintained equipment,
participated in so-called Marswalks and faced stressors that actual
space travelers to Mars could experience, including 22-minute
communication delays with Earth."
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/07/nx-s1-5032120/nasa-mars-simulation-volunteers-year
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
There have been previous exercises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HI-SEAS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running
:-)
On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote:
Four volunteers have spent 378 days living in a 1,700-square-foot space
3D-printed by NASA to simulate conditions on Mars. Fascinating.
"The volunteers grew their own vegetables, maintained equipment,
participated in so-called Marswalks and faced stressors that actual
space travelers to Mars could experience, including 22-minute
communication delays with Earth."
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/07/nx-s1-5032120/nasa-mars-simulation-volunteers-year
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
There have been previous exercises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HI-SEAS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running
:-)
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
On Thu, 18 Jul 2024 17:57:11 +0100, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
By the standards of undergraduate dorms that's positively luxurious!
On 7/18/24 11:27 PM, Titus G wrote:
On 19/07/24 04:57, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote:
Four volunteers have spent 378 days living in a 1,700-square-foot space >>>> 3D-printed by NASA to simulate conditions on Mars. Fascinating.
"The volunteers grew their own vegetables, maintained equipment,
participated in so-called Marswalks and faced stressors that actual
space travelers to Mars could experience, including 22-minute
communication delays with Earth."
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/07/nx-s1-5032120/nasa-mars-simulation-volunteers-year
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story, >>>> at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
There have been previous exercises.
Thank you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
Over 3 acres.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HI-SEAS
Wow. 6 people in a smaller area.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MARS-500
Similar. 6 people but a period of 520 days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Running
:-)
Not a simulation. 1 person with a 4 person spaceship to himself for a
fairly short time.
"All models are wrong, but some are useful." - George Box
Generally: it is often impossible and/or unreasonable to do an identical >simulation, model, practice run, etc. That does not mean these things
will not yield insightful results or info. (It does not mean they will, >either.)
I haven't looked into any details about the above-mentioned stuff, so I
have no idea what valuable info can be gleaned (if any); but I'd want to >know more before rejecting them out of hand.
On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote:
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
There have been previous exercises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
:-)
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story, >>>> at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
By the standards of undergraduate dorms that's positively luxurious!
Well, yes, but undergraduates get to leave the dorm for classes and
meals at least, and to interact with others in real-time instead of with >simulated light-speed delays. I salute these intrepid pioneers!
"a425couple" wrote in message news:ffjnO.141237$xL%b.96164@fx17.iad...
On 7/18/24 09:57, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 10/07/2024 05:39, Titus G wrote:
Four people in 1700 square feet for over a year? (If it was a SF story,
at least two of them would have gone mad or been killed.)
What about water? Gravity?
There have been previous exercises.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2
:-)
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Creating a self-supporting ecosystem may require going back to the rural past:
https://edepot.wur.nl/58719
Note that they built the proverbial two-story outhouse.
Even in town, farmers' houses in rural Germany had pigs under the house
and a "Misthaufen" compost/dung heap outside. Patton commented that the
size of the heap was a status symbol.
"a425couple" wrote in message news:5_BnO.141677$xL%b.102805@fx17.iad...
On 7/22/24 06:12, Jim Wilkins wrote:
Even in town, farmers' houses in rural Germany had pigs under the house
and a "Misthaufen" compost/dung heap outside. Patton commented that the
size of the heap was a status symbol.
Yes, it was quite a scathing opinion.
I'm trying to remember in which of my books that was.
--------------------------------
War as I Knew It?
My favorite observation was by the father of the singing von Trapp family, >the most successful Austrian U-Boot skipper in the Adriatic during WW1. He >described a Montenegrin couple coming to market, the man riding a mule and >the wife on foot, struggling under the bundle of merchandise.
The family sold all rights to the story and had no say in the movie script. >Actually his and Maria's natures were swapped, he was tolerant and >supportive, she was strict with a bad temper, not the free spirit the movie >showed. They escaped by simply boarding a train.
"Paul S Person" wrote in message >news:9fjv9jh83nekl3ofhu27702elru7lrvreh@4ax.com...
On Mon, 22 Jul 2024 21:28:28 -0400, "Jim Wilkins"
<muratlanne@gmail.com> wrote:
...
The movie I remember (vaguely) was of the musical play based on their
story. Or, rather, their story as crammed into the Standard Formula:
1) two couples, one adult, one young
2) the /adult/ couple thrives
3) the /young/ couple does not
/South Pacific/ uses the same formula.
This is what the 50's (that is, the Greatest Generation) found
romantic. And re-assuring (they identified, of course, with the adult
couple, and took joy in the failure of the young whippersnappers).
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Georg von Trapp's first wife died from scarlet fever. He has a light weight >affair with a socialite before Maria snares him. They stayed together until >his early death, likely resulting from the poisonous fumes in the >gasoline-powered U-Boot. The daughter's romance with the singing Nazi boy >ended when they left.
In "South Pacific" American nurse Nellie Forbush falls for older French >plantation owner Emile De Becque who has many children from affairs with >various local women, some dark Polynesians who Forbush, from Little Rock, >can't separate from Negros. She avoids strife at home by staying with him. >The other romance is between Lt Cable and a Tonkinese (Vietnamese) girl he >knows won't be accepted back home in Philadelphia. His heroic death is the >resolution. External events separated both young couples.
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