On 7/15/2024 10:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
"coldest summers of the 21st century"????
Am I missing a sarcasm mark?
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 7/15/2024 9:15 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
Zero for five here. Of course, there is "Fallen Angels" by Niven and
Pournelle and a cast of hundreds.
I am surprised that you did not mention "Icerigger (Humanx
Commonwealth)" by Alan Dean Foster.
Or Moorcock's earlier "The Ice Schooner", or Paul Cook's "Duende
Meadow", or "Time of the Great Freeze", by Silverberg, or John
Christopher's "The World in Winter", or Micheal Scott Rohan's "The
Winter of the World" (despite being fantasy, the most accurate portrayal
of an ice age), or ...
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
Not only have I read "Tiltangle", I read it three times. My copy,
with the same cover, is about ten feet from where I now sit.
Not because I liked it, but because of a shortage of things to read
in my suburban no-bookstore zone.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened;
According to news stories I have seen, some parts of Texas are not
scheduled to regain power until July 19.
When I lived in College Station, TX, I experienced more power outages
per unit time than I have anywhere else (the situation here is
deteriorating, though) but it was never gone for more than a few hours.
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 7/17/2024 3:05 PM, William Hyde wrote:
My local infrastructure is close to the worst in the province. I lose
power about three times a year, but the nearest main arteries (200 feet
away) never do.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened;
According to news stories I have seen, some parts of Texas are not
scheduled to regain power until July 19.
When I lived in College Station, TX, I experienced more power outages
per unit time than I have anywhere else (the situation here is
deteriorating, though) but it was never gone for more than a few hours.
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> writes:
Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 7/17/2024 3:05 PM, William Hyde wrote:
My local infrastructure is close to the worst in the province. I lose >>power about three times a year, but the nearest main arteries (200 feet >>away) never do.
In the 30 years that I lived in San Jose, there were three power
outages - two due to neighborhood distribution transformer failures, the >third was due to a Public Safety Power Shutdown (my part of
San Jose bordered a large county park that burned every four
or five years (small, easily controlled grassy hillside fires)).
Since I moved to a rural area, outages are much more frequent;
many due to idiots driving into power poles (one pole was taken
out twice within six months last year, another driver managed
to take out three poles by hitting the guy-wire support
pole on a 90 degree bend in the road); the others due to
overly sensitive powerline monitors intended to disconnect
when something drops on the line (like a tree). Lost power
twice last wednesday for three hours each time, 12 hours apart.
Getting quotes for battery backup for the existing solar panels.
That is awesome compared to Hurricane Ike which had major areas
without power for up to six weeks.
On 7/17/2024 10:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard...
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened; Bing seems to know nothing
about it, being fascinated by the event in 2021) is, indeed, that the
State of Texas, having funds that could have been used to fix the
problem, chose instead to shovel it into the pockets of the Oil
Industry. Typical Republican behavior.
I do not know of any Texas state funds being used for the State Crude
Oil and Natural Gas industry. On the contrary, they are the number one
tax payer in the state, the state universities are 100% funded by oil
and gas revenues, google Texas Permanent University Fund.
Please specify the exact amount of funds being paid from the State of
Texas to the Crude Oil and Natural Gas industries.
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened;
According to news stories I have seen, some parts of Texas are not
scheduled to regain power until July 19.
When I lived in College Station, TX, I experienced more power outages
per unit time than I have anywhere else (the situation here is >deteriorating, though) but it was never gone for more than a few hours.
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:52:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/17/2024 10:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard...
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
=20
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James=20
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened; Bing seems to know nothing
about it, being fascinated by the event in 2021) is, indeed, that the
State of Texas, having funds that could have been used to fix the
problem, chose instead to shovel it into the pockets of the Oil
Industry. Typical Republican behavior.
I do not know of any Texas state funds being used for the State Crude=20 >>Oil and Natural Gas industry. On the contrary, they are the number one=20 >>tax payer in the state, the state universities are 100% funded by oil=20 >>and gas revenues, google Texas Permanent University Fund.
Please specify the exact amount of funds being paid from the State of=20 >>Texas to the Crude Oil and Natural Gas industries.
That is a theory I read. As I noted, it is clearly biased.
On 7/18/2024 12:15 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
On 18/07/2024 07.50, John Savard wrote:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 15:18:48 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
That is awesome compared to Hurricane Ike which had major areas
without power for up to six weeks.
Hurricane Ike destroyed stuff that had to be replaced.
I presume this outage is due to too many people turning on their air
conditioning at once, so all they have to do is flip the breakers.
You somehow missed hearing anything about Beryl?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Beryl>
"[...]Â The second named storm, first hurricane, and first major
hurricane
of the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, Beryl broke many meteorological
records for the months of June and July, primarily for its unusual
location,
intensity, and longevity."
We have been living the dream of Beryl down here in Houston for almost
two weeks now. Lived on the genny for four days. Walking outside, it
was a concert of genny's in all directions.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:52:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/17/2024 10:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard...
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
=20
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James=20
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system >>>> died again (if that actually happened; Bing seems to know nothing
about it, being fascinated by the event in 2021) is, indeed, that the
State of Texas, having funds that could have been used to fix the
problem, chose instead to shovel it into the pockets of the Oil
Industry. Typical Republican behavior.
I do not know of any Texas state funds being used for the State Crude=20 >>> Oil and Natural Gas industry. On the contrary, they are the number one=20 >>> tax payer in the state, the state universities are 100% funded by oil=20 >>> and gas revenues, google Texas Permanent University Fund.
Please specify the exact amount of funds being paid from the State of=20 >>> Texas to the Crude Oil and Natural Gas industries.
That is a theory I read. As I noted, it is clearly biased.
On the other hand, there are other methods of state support
that don't directly result in 'funds being paid from the State';
such as tax breaks.
'Spring, 1990, Senator Don Henderson [...] urged his
fellow state senators to give the oil patch some more
love. The Houston Republican, a lawyer closely allied
with the fossil-fuel industry, had introduced a bill to
slash the tax on natural gas wells deemed particularly
tough to develop. "They can be huuuuuuge wells," he
told the finance committee.'
'If these wells were so alluring, why did taxpayers
need to offer Texas drillers a handout? Because, Henderson
explained, the wells were "expensive and chancy."
On 7/18/2024 12:50 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
We have been living the dream of Beryl down here in Houston for almostPartly because Texas refuses to be connected to the rest of the North >American power grid....
two weeks now. Lived on the genny for four days. Walking outside, it
was a concert of genny's in all directions.
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 17:52:49 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/17/2024 10:42 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard...
<quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
=20
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James=20
Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the
political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any
effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario
"fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system >>>> died again (if that actually happened; Bing seems to know nothing
about it, being fascinated by the event in 2021) is, indeed, that the
State of Texas, having funds that could have been used to fix the
problem, chose instead to shovel it into the pockets of the Oil
Industry. Typical Republican behavior.
I do not know of any Texas state funds being used for the State Crude=20 >>>Oil and Natural Gas industry. On the contrary, they are the number one=20 >>>tax payer in the state, the state universities are 100% funded by oil=20 >>>and gas revenues, google Texas Permanent University Fund.
Please specify the exact amount of funds being paid from the State of=20 >>>Texas to the Crude Oil and Natural Gas industries.
That is a theory I read. As I noted, it is clearly biased.
On the other hand, there are other methods of state support
that don't directly result in 'funds being paid from the State';
such as tax breaks.
'Spring, 1990, Senator Don Henderson [...] urged his
fellow state senators to give the oil patch some more
love. The Houston Republican, a lawyer closely allied
with the fossil-fuel industry, had introduced a bill to
slash the tax on natural gas wells deemed particularly
tough to develop. "They can be huuuuuuge wells," he
told the finance committee.'
'If these wells were so alluring, why did taxpayers
need to offer Texas drillers a handout? Because, Henderson
explained, the wells were "expensive and chancy." So much for
the image of risk-taking and self-sufficiency that the state's
oil and gas industry liked to tout'
'Its cost to other state taxpayers that year[2009, ed.], according
to a University of Texas study: $1.5 billion, or $169 per
household in the state.'
...
'According to this school of thought, the fossil-fuel industry
benefits not just from tax breaks such as Texas's provision
for high-cost gas wells but also from not having to reimburse
society for the myriad social and environmental costs of its
products. Chief among those dispensations is the freedom to
send skyward, without being taxed for them, the carbon emissions
that scientists say are a primary cause of climate change. Economists
have a word for such costs that should be accounted for but aren't:
externalities. Adding a carbon price to the calculation of energy
costs renders fossil fuels much more expensive than they now appear to be.'
'For 2020, UT projected those [Texas State ed.] subsidies as roughly $1.8 billion for
oil and gas ($170 per household), $1 billion for wind ($104),
and a comparatively small $19 million ($2) for solar.'
https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/energy-subsidies-fossil-fuels-renewables/
https://theintercept.com/2021/06/01/texas-subsidies-oil-companies/ >https://www.texastribune.org/2021/05/03/texas-house-fossil-fuel-oil-divest/
'One of the baldest attempts to kneecap renewable energy - that is, to
indirectly subsidize fossil fuels - was a bill to add a
penny-per-kilowatt-hour surcharge to electricity customers' bills
for power from any source except natural gas.'
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
On 19/07/2024 11.38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening
hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar.
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting
these data? If so, can you share?
Sure, although a google search for cal iso supply might be rewarding.
https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
On 19/07/2024 11.38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening
hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar.
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting
these data? If so, can you share?
Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
On 7/18/2024 12:50 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
We have been living the dream of Beryl down here in Houston for almostPartly because Texas refuses to be connected to the rest of the North >>American power grid....
two weeks now. Lived on the genny for four days. Walking outside, it
was a concert of genny's in all directions.
Kind of. Texas now has two DC interconnects to the two North American grids, which allows them to share power without having frequency management issues or accept government regulation from the FERC (which does include a lot of silliness but also includes standards for safety margins that are worth following).
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
On 19/07/2024 11.38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening
hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar.
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting
these data? If so, can you share?
Sure, although a google search for cal iso supply might be rewarding.
https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
On 19/07/2024 11.38, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening >>>> hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar. >>>>
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting
these data? If so, can you share?
Sure, although a google search for cal iso supply might be rewarding.
https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
It's much easier to use than the texas ERCOT version :-)
Texas has had DC grid ties for years, they're just not high enough capacity to >make much difference statewide (aggregate of around 1 GW I believe). Peak >summer demand is somewhere around 85 GW.
It's doubtful that any realistic grid ties would have done more than reduce >the scope and duration of the rolling blackouts during winter storm Uri. >Demand was around double available capacity...a shortfall of at least 35 GW.
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting
these data? If so, can you share?
Sure, although a google search for cal iso supply might be rewarding.
https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
Here's the equivalent for Texas:
https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards
<rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
Texas has had DC grid ties for years, they're just not high enough capacity to
make much difference statewide (aggregate of around 1 GW I believe). Peak >>summer demand is somewhere around 85 GW.
It's doubtful that any realistic grid ties would have done more than reduce >>the scope and duration of the rolling blackouts during winter storm Uri. >>Demand was around double available capacity...a shortfall of at least 35 GW.
I don't think anyone is claiming that the additional capacity of larger
grid ties would have made much difference. I think people are arguing that the additional design margins required by federal law that would have been demanded had there been AC grid ties would have made a difference.
<rkshullat@rosettacondot.com> wrote:
Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
"Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> writes:
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Is there some kind of Cal-ISO web page from which you're extracting >>>>these data? If so, can you share?
Sure, although a google search for cal iso supply might be rewarding.
https://www.caiso.com/todays-outlook/supply
Here's the equivalent for Texas: >>https://www.ercot.com/gridmktinfo/dashboards
Access Denied
Error 16
If you believe you have a valid business reason for accessing ERCOT resources, please contact the ERCOT Service Desk at
ServiceDesk@ercot.com.
The CA page works fine. As does this:
https://www.eia.gov/electricity/gridmonitor/dashboard/electric_overview/US48/US48
Their US48 map allows drilling down to Regions (not Interconnects aka synchronous grids), but for Texas those are the same thing so it's
possible to get most of the information via them. It's not as nice as
the CA pages quoted earlier but at least it works.
Hmm, several US region dashboards I checked also work from outside the
US, it looks like it's just ERCOT choosing to be ********...
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some
frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story,
about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario "fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system
died again (if that actually happened;
According to news stories I have seen, some parts of Texas are not
scheduled to regain power until July 19.
When I lived in College Station, TX, I experienced more power outages
per unit time than I have anywhere else (the situation here is
deteriorating, though) but it was never gone for more than a few hours.
William Hyde
WolfFan wrote:
On Jul 17, 2024, William Hyde wrote
(in article <v7987i$2088o$1@dont-email.me>):
Paul S Person wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 19:47:12 -0600, John Savard <quadibloc@servername.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 14:15:08 -0000 (UTC), jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) wrote:
Five SFF Books Featuring Frigid, Icy Worlds
Celebrate the coldest summer of the rest of your life with some frosty SF and fantasy novels!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-books-featuring-frigid-icy-worlds/
I could comment that your posting is itself a dystopian SF story, about a world where giant oil companies have managed to control the political system and hypnotize the populace so as to prevent any effective response to global warming...
if it weren't for the fact that it seems like calling that scenario "fiction" has already proven to be over-optimistic.
One of the two theories I have seen on why the Texas electrical system died again (if that actually happened;
According to news stories I have seen, some parts of Texas are not scheduled to regain power until July 19.
When I lived in College Station, TX, I experienced more power outages
per unit time than I have anywhere else (the situation here is deteriorating, though) but it was never gone for more than a few hours.
William Hyde
Here in Deepest South Florida, we have record-setting high temps every few days. FPL lives up to its name (Frequent Power Loss) or its nickname (Florida
Flicker and Flash). My first job was for an electric utility in Jamaica. Heads would have rolled if we had even half as many power outages as FPL. After Hurricane Gilbert, crews from various utilities came to help restore power. We found that we had to follow around behind the FPL crews and, if necessary, fix their fixes. The guys from Puerto Rico and Georgia and the Carolinas were pretty good. And we had some Royal Navy and Royal Engineers who were superb. FPL ranged from competent to somewhat less than competent.
I don't know if your problem is like ours, which seems to be simple
nepotism.
When the current provincial government was elected, the premier tried to
put an elderly family friend in as head of the Ontario Provincial
Police. He was a policeman of some rank, but it would be the
equivalent of promoting a colonel to full general. At age 72.
He then tried to hire two children of close friends and advisors to
trade posts in NY and London at 140,000 and 160,000 k per year. They
were, of course, without any reasonable qualification for these
lucrative posts.
And these were the cases prominent enough to make the news. Who knows
what is going on in less public jobs?
In the Walkerton fiasco a competent drunk hired a couple of incompetent drunks to work with him (presumably so his co-workers wouldn't object to
his drinking on the job). When he died, one of them was hired in his
place by someone who didn't bother to examine the drunk's utter lack of credentials.
The media have not reported on any incompetence as a cause for the
explosion of downtown Wheatley a couple of years ago. I wonder, though.
It's not like small towns in Ontario blow up all that often.
I've always thought that "The Inspector General" is an amusing but unrealistic story. People won't just forget how to maintain their
technology, will then?
William Hyde
On 7/19/2024 11:38 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening
hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar.
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Current capacity is 55,514mw and today's forecast peak is 41,467mw.
Valley temperatures will be in the 100's today from the grapevine
to Mt. Shasta.
Texas is about 3X all of that. Peak load is over 100,000 MW when you
count the refineries and chemical plants who make their own power and
sell the excess to the grid (ERCOT). ERCOT current capacity is over
150,000 MW and will be over 160,000 MW by the end of this year.
And Texas has 7,849 MW of batteries and will be 10,000 MW by the end of
the year. People are buying cheap wind turbine power from midnight to 6
am and reselling it to the grid at 6pm when the solar fails and people
are getting home from work.
On 7/22/2024 7:05 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
And Texas has 7,849 MW of batteries and will be 10,000 MW by the end of
the year. People are buying cheap wind turbine power from midnight to 6 >>> am and reselling it to the grid at 6pm when the solar fails and people
are getting home from work.
California's population is 130% of Texas, so the usage per-capita
is significantly less than Texas (like 70% less). In part due to the last two decades
of state support for energy efficient lighting, heating, stringent
building codes emphasizing energy efficiency and computer data
centers (e.g. EnergyStar).
Texas is far more industrialized than California.
And then there is the very warm climate compared to California's
moderate climate for most of its citizens who live along the coast.
conditioning and heating (yes, Texas has much electric winter heating)
are very prevalent here. I have seen it 113 F (1999) and 6 F (1983)
here on the Gulf Coast. North and Central Texas have much more extremes.
And much of California's industry is moving to Texas due to the business
On 7/19/2024 11:38 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
On 7/18/2024 7:49 PM, Dimensional Traveler wrote:
We (ERCOT) were pulling 600 MW off the eastern grid today after the
solar power plants stopped making power between 6pm and 8pm.
In california, we export (and store in batteries) energy during the
day, then draw down the batteries (and import a bit) during the evening
hours. During the day, about half of our electricity comes from solar.
It's been great - during the 9 day heat wave (100teens every day
in much of the state) last week, we still had
a surplus generation capacity of about 11Gw every day. Much
of what we import at night comes from northwest hydro.
As I type this, the state demand is 32,007 mw, solar provides
18,309 mw, CH4 provides 8,024mw, and 4,851 mw is being used to
charge batteries for this evening and we're importing 2028 mw.
Current capacity is 55,514mw and today's forecast peak is 41,467mw.
Valley temperatures will be in the 100's today from the grapevine
to Mt. Shasta.
Texas is about 3X all of that. Peak load is over 100,000 MW when you
count the refineries and chemical plants who make their own power and
sell the excess to the grid (ERCOT). ERCOT current capacity is over
150,000 MW and will be over 160,000 MW by the end of this year.
And Texas has 7,849 MW of batteries and will be 10,000 MW by the end of
the year. People are buying cheap wind turbine power from midnight to 6
am and reselling it to the grid at 6pm when the solar fails and people
are getting home from work.
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
In article <5ronajlqeri1p8akcnfdg2q8t4e9407cs2@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
In article <87wmkz3awb.fsf@comcast.net.invalid>,
Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
1967: the Canadian Centenial.
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
In article <87wmkz3awb.fsf@comcast.net.invalid>,
Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
1967: the Canadian Centenial.
Yes, you are probably right about it being 1967, James. Some friends and
I drove up to Montreal from Troy NY for Expo '67. Aside from someone
snapping off my radio antenna, probably because the car had a NY license >plate, it was a fun trip.
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
In article <87wmkz3awb.fsf@comcast.net.invalid>,
Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
1967: the Canadian Centenial.
Yes, you are probably right about it being 1967, James. Some friends and
I drove up to Montreal from Troy NY for Expo '67. Aside from someone
snapping off my radio antenna, probably because the car had a NY license >plate, it was a fun trip.
Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> writes:
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
In article <87wmkz3awb.fsf@comcast.net.invalid>,
Don_from_AZ <djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
1967: the Canadian Centenial.
Yes, you are probably right about it being 1967, James. Some friends and
I drove up to Montreal from Troy NY for Expo '67. Aside from someone >>snapping off my radio antenna, probably because the car had a NY license >>plate, it was a fun trip.
I was at that Expo as well, as a child. I recall Habitat, in particular.
In article <5ronajlqeri1p8akcnfdg2q8t4e9407cs2@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
It goes both ways: I met an American at a Maritime Museum fundraiser
in SF who still angry that Canadian border guards asked him if he
was carrying any firearms. He was but he thought it was prejudiced
of them to assume they needed to ask every American that question.
(not, now that I think about, that he could have known if they did)
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in
Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
It's the country next to New Mexico.
--scott
Yes, you are probably right about it being 1967, James. Some friends and
I drove up to Montreal from Troy NY for Expo '67. Aside from someone
snapping off my radio antenna, probably because the car had a NY license >plate, it was a fun trip.
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
In article <5ronajlqeri1p8akcnfdg2q8t4e9407cs2@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion >>>inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in >>>Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
That's not completely unexpected. Southern Californians will
associated BC with Baja California rather than British Columbia;
when I first moved to LA in the 80's, I couldn't figure out why
so many cars had British Columbia licence plates (BC).
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> writes:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William HydeI recall a ditty that ended:
<wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion
inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
"A place to stand, a place to grow...
Ontari-airi-airi-o"
back about 1968 or so; it's been stuck in my head for 56 years!
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 07:53:41 -0700, Don_from_AZ ><djatechNOSPAM@comcast.net.invalid> wrote:
Yes, you are probably right about it being 1967, James. Some friends and
I drove up to Montreal from Troy NY for Expo '67. Aside from someone >>snapping off my radio antenna, probably because the car had a NY license >>plate, it was a fun trip.
I also did that trip (though we took the train from Vancouver to
Toronto, had my grandmother's brother who lived in Toronto drive us
down to Burlington - about 45 minutes away - to pick up our new
mini-van at the plant. I was 11 years old at the time and had no idea >Burlington would be important to me as it was my future - and
regretably late - wife's home town. Her mother and brother still live
there.
As for Expo one of my chief memories was my grandmother's rage at me
for picking all that 'Communist propaganda' from the Soviet
pavilion...
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 14:21:09 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:
jdnicoll@panix.com (James Nicoll) writes:
In article <5ronajlqeri1p8akcnfdg2q8t4e9407cs2@4ax.com>,
The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
RrOn Tue, 23 Jul 2024 16:30:02 -0400, William Hyde >>>><wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
Many people from Ontario spend winter or part of winter in Florida. So >>>>>there's plenty of opportunity for cross-contamination.
Could be worse - some 30-40 years ago they ran a tourist promotion >>>>inviting people to Ontari-air-io.
One wonders how many Americans were confused.
Mind you I've met a few Americans thinking British Columbia was in >>>>Central America...and that we spoke Spanish. Uh no.
That's not completely unexpected. Southern Californians will
associated BC with Baja California rather than British Columbia;
when I first moved to LA in the 80's, I couldn't figure out why
so many cars had British Columbia licence plates (BC).
I don't understand that since British Columbia licence plates have
ALWAYS had the name spelled out rather than the abbreviation. Even in
the days when the plates ALSO also had the tourist board logo on them
saying "Come to Beautiful BC"!
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