• Today's interesting development

    From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 22 20:01:19 2024
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.
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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jul 22 19:47:09 2024
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution.

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  • From Michael Benveniste@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Mon Jul 22 20:44:27 2024
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    https://fancyclopedia.org/1989_Hugos#Consecutively_Numbered_Money_Orders

    --
    Mike Benveniste -- mhb@murkyether.com (Clarification Required)
    Such commentary has become ubiquitous on the Internet and is widely
    perceived to carry no indicium of reliability and little weight.
    (Digital Media News v. Escape Media Group, May 2014).

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to ahasuerus@email.com on Tue Jul 23 01:19:10 2024
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution.

    What a half-assed attack, then.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to mhb@murkyether.com on Tue Jul 23 01:21:39 2024
    In article <17e4b0e7cba747c0$17833$3494482$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>, Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    https://fancyclopedia.org/1989_Hugos#Consecutively_Numbered_Money_Orders

    I own a copy of the book that got withdrawn as a result. Neither
    author published much after that.



    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 23 01:34:36 2024
    In article <v7n0ed$pf5$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution.

    What a half-assed attack, then.

    Which isn't to say that's not what happened! Sometimes, people are
    just incompetent.

    BODYGUARD OF LIES had a vignette about how the Germans during WWI,
    faced with Allied leaflets dropped on Germans lines claiming that
    German officers were stealing enlisted men's pay, responded with
    leaflets dropped in Allied territory showing that their bookkeeping
    was solid and no embezzlement was occuring.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
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  • From David Duffy@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 23 07:42:45 2024
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Important enough to make the Guardian!

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/article/2024/jul/23/hugo-awards-fraudulent-votes-paid-for-one-author-ntwnfb

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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 23 12:06:13 2024
    On 7/22/2024 9:19 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution.

    What a half-assed attack, then.

    Perhaps it was more along the lines of George Bernard Shaw's dictum
    about wrestling with pigs:

    "You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

    Or "If we throw enough mud at the wall some of it will stick".

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to ahasuerus@email.com on Tue Jul 23 16:21:49 2024
    In article <v7okdl$197vv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 9:19 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution. >>
    What a half-assed attack, then.

    Perhaps it was more along the lines of George Bernard Shaw's dictum
    about wrestling with pigs:

    "You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

    Or "If we throw enough mud at the wall some of it will stick".

    Just at this second, it looks like it might be SF's version of the
    Black Sox Scandal.

    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to James Nicoll on Tue Jul 23 17:19:25 2024
    In article <v7olas$dc9$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <v7okdl$197vv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 9:19 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes >>>>> Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an institution.

    What a half-assed attack, then.

    Perhaps it was more along the lines of George Bernard Shaw's dictum
    about wrestling with pigs:

    "You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

    Or "If we throw enough mud at the wall some of it will stick".

    Just at this second, it looks like it might be SF's version of the
    Black Sox Scandal.

    Which is to say, some gambler dropped 20K trying to fix a contest on
    which he was voting.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to wthyde1953@gmail.com on Tue Jul 23 20:44:33 2024
    In article <v7p2t6$1bmt1$1@dont-email.me>,
    William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
    James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <17e4b0e7cba747c0$17833$3494482$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>, >> Michael Benveniste <mhb@murkyether.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant
    fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes
    Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    https://fancyclopedia.org/1989_Hugos#Consecutively_Numbered_Money_Orders >>>
    I own a copy of the book that got withdrawn as a result. Neither
    author published much after that.

    Out of sheer curiosity:

    Was the book good enough to be a valid nominee?

    I cannot recall. I will reread it.

    Do you regret the departure of the (I assume) co-authors from the field?

    I don't like people being punished for other people's transgressions.
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  • From James Nicoll@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@gmail.com on Sat Jul 27 00:40:07 2024
    In article <v813so$30j1r$1@dont-email.me>,
    Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 23/07/2024 18:19, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v7olas$dc9$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <v7okdl$197vv$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 9:19 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    In article <v7mr1t$s1a5$1@dont-email.me>,
    Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> wrote:
    On 7/22/2024 4:01 PM, James Nicoll wrote:
    Someone spent $19,000 dollars to stuff the Hugo Award ballot
    box in a way that seems either very, very ineptly or in a
    manner calculated to be spotted.

    https://glasgow2024.org/hugo-awards/statement-22-july-2024/

    Now, I do recall a case in the 1980s, I think, where an exuberant >>>>>>> fan tried to buy a story he liked a Hugo, using consecutively
    numbered traveller's checks to buy memberships. So people do
    fuck up comprehensively. But it could also be someone really dislikes >>>>>>> Finalist A and wanted to make them look bad.

    Or -- conceivably -- someone who dislikes the Hugo award as an >institution.

    What a half-assed attack, then.

    Perhaps it was more along the lines of George Bernard Shaw's dictum
    about wrestling with pigs:

    "You both get dirty and the pig likes it."

    Or "If we throw enough mud at the wall some of it will stick".

    Just at this second, it looks like it might be SF's version of the
    Black Sox Scandal.

    Which is to say, some gambler dropped 20K trying to fix a contest on
    which he was voting.

    And/or betting?

    One assumes.
    --
    My reviews can be found at http://jamesdavisnicoll.com/
    My tor pieces at https://www.tor.com/author/james-davis-nicoll/
    My Dreamwidth at https://james-davis-nicoll.dreamwidth.org/
    My patreon is at https://www.patreon.com/jamesdnicoll

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