On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touché Gafla for a truly >strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/dp/0765333570/
Lynn
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
Black Easter 1968 novel by James Blish
Black Easter is a fantasy novel by American writer James Blish,
Author James Blish
Series After Such Knowledge trilogy
Publisher Faber and Faber (UK), Doubleday (US)
Lynn McGuire wrote:
James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touch?? Gafla for a truly >>strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/dp/0765333570/
_Hell On High_ had a few scenes in Hell, but mostly North Carolina...
As for heaven, we don't see much of it, but Brown's _The Angelic Angleworm_:
https://archive.org/details/Unknown_v06n05_1943-02_slpn/page/n47/mode/1up
On 8/20/2024 7:59 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/20/2024 3:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touché Gafla for a
truly strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/
dp/0765333570/
Aside from Dante's 'Paradiso' (by far the dullest of his Afterlife
Trilogy), I can't think of too many examples outside of the dreck
you'll find in Christian bookstores (if there's any *good* ones, let
us know).
There's Twain's 'Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven', written after
he'd lost his faith in a just God.
Heinlein's 'Job: A Comedy of Justice' has some brief scenes.
'What Dreams May Come' by Richard Matheson, later made into a film
with a very non-clown-mode Robin Williams.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
pt
The book of Revelation in the Bible is counted as SF by some people. It
is truly unnerving. And by some accounts has already passed when Rome destroyed Jerusalem somewhere around AD 70. Others do not think that
this is what the book is about.
Lynn
On 8/20/2024 3:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touch Gafla for a truly
strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/dp/0765333570/
Aside from Dante's 'Paradiso' (by far the dullest of his Afterlife
Trilogy), I can't think of too many examples outside of the dreck
you'll find in Christian bookstores (if there's any *good* ones, let
us know).
There's Twain's 'Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven', written after
he'd lost his faith in a just God.
Heinlein's 'Job: A Comedy of Justice' has some brief scenes.
'What Dreams May Come' by Richard Matheson, later made into a film
with a very non-clown-mode Robin Williams.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
On 8/21/2024 12:35 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/20/24 21:07, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 7:59 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/20/2024 3:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number >>>>>> of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames >>>>>> of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touché Gafla for a
truly strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/
dp/0765333570/
Aside from Dante's 'Paradiso' (by far the dullest of his Afterlife
Trilogy), I can't think of too many examples outside of the dreck
you'll find in Christian bookstores (if there's any *good* ones, let
us know).
There's Twain's 'Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven', written after
he'd lost his faith in a just God.
Heinlein's 'Job: A Comedy of Justice' has some brief scenes.
'What Dreams May Come' by Richard Matheson, later made into a film
with a very non-clown-mode Robin Williams.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
pt
The book of Revelation in the Bible is counted as SF by some people.
It is truly unnerving. And by some accounts has already passed when
Rome destroyed Jerusalem somewhere around AD 70. Others do not think
that this is what the book is about.
Lynn
It is about expressing hatred for what the author
viewed as the "evil" Roman Empire. It is the Beast and the
author wishes the very worst on it. That the temple in
Jerusalem had been overthrown was a most likely part of
the reason for the hate. I think with the right artist
it couold be a depicted in narrative panels.
[...]No more like a manga or graphic novel.
You mean like this? https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/revelation/future_revealed_to_guy_on_tiny_mediterranean_island/rv01_01a.html
pt
On 8/21/2024 2:48 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
On 8/21/24 05:21, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/21/2024 12:35 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:No more like a manga or graphic novel.
On 8/20/24 21:07, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 7:59 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
On 8/20/2024 3:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and DamnationI have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any
number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames >>>>>>>> of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/ >>>>>>>
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touché Gafla for >>>>>>> a truly strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/
dp/0765333570/
Aside from Dante's 'Paradiso' (by far the dullest of his Afterlife >>>>>> Trilogy), I can't think of too many examples outside of the dreck
you'll find in Christian bookstores (if there's any *good* ones, let >>>>>> us know).
There's Twain's 'Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven', written after >>>>>> he'd lost his faith in a just God.
Heinlein's 'Job: A Comedy of Justice' has some brief scenes.
'What Dreams May Come' by Richard Matheson, later made into a film >>>>>> with a very non-clown-mode Robin Williams.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
pt
The book of Revelation in the Bible is counted as SF by some
people. It is truly unnerving. And by some accounts has already
passed when Rome destroyed Jerusalem somewhere around AD 70.
Others do not think that this is what the book is about.
Lynn
It is about expressing hatred for what the author
viewed as the "evil" Roman Empire. It is the Beast and the
author wishes the very worst on it. That the temple in
Jerusalem had been overthrown was a most likely part of
the reason for the hate. I think with the right artist
it couold be a depicted in narrative panels.
[...]
You mean like this?
https://thebrickbible.com/legacy/revelation/
future_revealed_to_guy_on_tiny_mediterranean_island/rv01_01a.html
pt
bliss
Robert Crumb is working on it, but it will take him a while to get
to Revelations.
https://archive.org/details/BookOfGenesisIllustratedByR.Crumb/mode/2up
ptCrumb is pretty good but he was not whom I was thinking of.
On 8/20/2024 3:00 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/20/2024 9:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
I have read "Inferno", several decades ago.
How about the opposite, Heaven ?
I advise reading "The World of the End" by Ofir Touch Gafla for a truly
strange story.
https://www.amazon.com/World-End-Ofir-Touch%C3%A9-Gafla/dp/0765333570/
Aside from Dante's 'Paradiso' (by far the dullest of his Afterlife
Trilogy), I can't think of too many examples outside of the dreck
you'll find in Christian bookstores (if there's any *good* ones, let
us know).
There's Twain's 'Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven', written after
he'd lost his faith in a just God.
Heinlein's 'Job: A Comedy of Justice' has some brief scenes.
'What Dreams May Come' by Richard Matheson, later made into a film
with a very non-clown-mode Robin Williams.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
On 8/27/24 8:58 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 21/08/2024 21:03, Tony Nance wrote:
On 8/20/24 10:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number
of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
Lots come to mind, but many of them are already mentioned in your
comments.[1] I’d forgotten about the Shaw, Anderson, and Myers[2], so
yay commenters!
Tad Williams’ Happy Hour in Hell (the second of his Bobby Dollar
trilogy) was almost entirely set in Hell.
Although my knee keeps jerking in the direction of Roger Zelazny, I
don’t think he fits. Hellrides? Yes. Hell Tanner? Hell Yes. And
Dilvish was banished there, too.[3] But I don’t think any of Zelazny’s >>> works spent significant time in hell.
Tony
[1] The Banks, Pratchett, and Liz Williams for example.
[2] Or is that more properly “Myers Myers”?
[3] Well, he was turned to stone, and his soul was banished there.
In Amber / Chaos, I think Merlin's brother
keeps a suite of hells for the purpose of
tormenting enemies, and he offers their use.
But we don't visit.
Aha - thanks. I do not remember the five Merlin books super well. At
the time, I was sorely disappointed that there wasn't more Corwin, and
so I kind of hastily raced through them looking for Corwin and some >resolutions. I should probably read them again.
Tony
In article <vat9ea$k24v$2@dont-email.me>,
Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/27/24 8:58 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 21/08/2024 21:03, Tony Nance wrote:
On 8/20/24 10:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number >>>>> of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames
of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
Lots come to mind, but many of them are already mentioned in your
comments.[1] I’d forgotten about the Shaw, Anderson, and Myers[2], so >>>> yay commenters!
Tad Williams’ Happy Hour in Hell (the second of his Bobby Dollar
trilogy) was almost entirely set in Hell.
Although my knee keeps jerking in the direction of Roger Zelazny, I
don’t think he fits. Hellrides? Yes. Hell Tanner? Hell Yes. And
Dilvish was banished there, too.[3] But I don’t think any of Zelazny’s >>>> works spent significant time in hell.
Tony
[1] The Banks, Pratchett, and Liz Williams for example.
[2] Or is that more properly “Myers Myers”?
[3] Well, he was turned to stone, and his soul was banished there.
In Amber / Chaos, I think Merlin's brother
keeps a suite of hells for the purpose of
tormenting enemies, and he offers their use.
But we don't visit.
Aha - thanks. I do not remember the five Merlin books super well. At
the time, I was sorely disappointed that there wasn't more Corwin, and
so I kind of hastily raced through them looking for Corwin and some >>resolutions. I should probably read them again.
Tony
IIRC we put several scenes in Hell in _Hell On High_. I think I worked >Maxwell's demons into it.
In article <ljfbdtF18ttU3@mid.individual.net>,
Ted Nolan <tednolan> <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vat9ea$k24v$2@dont-email.me>,
Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/27/24 8:58 PM, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 21/08/2024 21:03, Tony Nance wrote:
On 8/20/24 10:12 AM, James Nicoll wrote:
Five SFF Stories About Hell and Damnation
Hell gets a bad rap--it's certainly a great motivator for any number >>>>>> of plots and characters attempting to escape from the fiery flames >>>>>> of perdition!
https://reactormag.com/five-sff-stories-about-hell-and-damnation/
Lots come to mind, but many of them are already mentioned in your
comments.[1] I’d forgotten about the Shaw, Anderson, and Myers[2], so >>>>> yay commenters!
Tad Williams’ Happy Hour in Hell (the second of his Bobby Dollar
trilogy) was almost entirely set in Hell.
Although my knee keeps jerking in the direction of Roger Zelazny, I
don’t think he fits. Hellrides? Yes. Hell Tanner? Hell Yes. And
Dilvish was banished there, too.[3] But I don’t think any of >Zelazny’s
works spent significant time in hell.
Tony
[1] The Banks, Pratchett, and Liz Williams for example.
[2] Or is that more properly “Myers Myers”?
[3] Well, he was turned to stone, and his soul was banished there.
In Amber / Chaos, I think Merlin's brother
keeps a suite of hells for the purpose of
tormenting enemies, and he offers their use.
But we don't visit.
Aha - thanks. I do not remember the five Merlin books super well. At
the time, I was sorely disappointed that there wasn't more Corwin, and
so I kind of hastily raced through them looking for Corwin and some >>>resolutions. I should probably read them again.
Tony
IIRC we put several scenes in Hell in _Hell On High_. I think I worked >>Maxwell's demons into it.
Has anyone mentioned Anderson's _Operation Chaos_? It's kind of episodic >being a fix-up, but one of the episodes has the protags venturing into
Hell on a rescue mission for what reason I can't quite recall.
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
I'm not sure it is a Narnian Heaven. Although it is entered from
Narnia, I've always thought of it as just "Heaven", reachable from
anywhere (by those who do reach it).
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 09:13:20 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
I'm told CS Lewis's 'The Great Divorce' may count.
Of course, the final Narnia book has scenes in a Narnian Heaven.
I'm not sure it is a Narnian Heaven. Although it is entered from
Narnia, I've always thought of it as just "Heaven", reachable from
anywhere (by those who do reach it).
Agreed - though Lewis later wrote that not all the characters from the
Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe made it to heaven (Susan notably)
mostly to express Lewis' view that heaven is not guaranteed,
especially if one doesn't "keep the faith"
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