• Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=93Did_nobody_stop_to?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_think_what_m

    From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sat Aug 24 08:42:51 2024
    On Fri, 23 Aug 2024 14:56:36 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    “Did nobody stop to think what might happen in an emergency in space?”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2024/08/did-nobody-stop-to-think-what-might.html

    “Following on the absurdities of the Boeing Starliner imbroglio, yet
    more news about a potentially dangerous limitation.”

    ““The Boeing spacesuit is made to work with the Starliner spacecraft,
    and the SpaceX spacesuit is made to work with the Dragon spacecraft,”
    NASA told Fox News Digital. “Both were designed to fit each unique >spacecraft.””

    Oops. I suspect that SpaceX will send up a couple of new space suits on
    the next supply spaceship.

    See, /this/ is why the ISO exists.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to psperson@old.netcom.invalid on Sun Aug 25 15:22:34 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The Boeing spacesuit is made to work with the Starliner spacecraft,
    and the SpaceX spacesuit is made to work with the Dragon spacecraft,
    NASA told Fox News Digital. =93Both were designed to fit each unique >>spacecraft.

    Oops. I suspect that SpaceX will send up a couple of new space suits on=20 >>the next supply spaceship.

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went from the American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the adaptor ring to connect the two capsules). I am surprised this is not a solution.

    See, /this/ is why the ISO exists.

    The ISO isn't really all that useful in the real world, partly because they promote standards without reference to how systems are used in the real world and partly because they charge money for the standards meaning small organizations are strongly discouraged from following new ISO standards that are not already in common use.

    The whole upside-down-wedding cake of networking protocols looked great but didn't map in practice to what people were really using, and when tcp/ip took over the world it was like a steamroller over top of the ISO.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Sun Aug 25 13:08:25 2024
    On Sat, 24 Aug 2024 21:01:26 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/24/2024 2:35 PM, Michael F. Stemper wrote:
    ...
    See, /this/ is why the ISO exists.

    ISO ?

    The International Standards Organization:
    <https://www.iso.org/>

    I assume that this means that your firm isn't ISO-9000 certified.

    I thought that was what he meant but wanted to make sure of it.

    Indeed it was.

    See, /this/ is why we keep having to re-invent the wheel:
    standardization only occurs after disaster has struck.

    Much as I dislike the way BD has filled the moat with piranha and
    pulled up the drawbridge to avoid any contact with non-HDMI/HDCP
    devices, they were at least smart enough to avoid having each Major
    Studio coming up with its own special disc format, playable only on
    its own special devices.

    But, of course, this isn't the first time. Last time (that I
    remember), NASA finally figured out that, if it's going to work with
    European agencies, it's going to have to use metric. Not that I'm any
    great fan of metric, but the French are certainly not going to agree
    to use anything else in /their/ components, and at least using metric
    will make the entire mission doesn't just die on reaching its
    destination.

    Yup, we are ISO certified for a decade or so now. You know, that should
    be on our website but I cannot find it.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to grschmidt@acm.org on Mon Aug 26 09:05:56 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:03:35 +1000, "Gary R. Schmidt"
    <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:

    On 26/08/2024 06:08, Paul S Person wrote:
    [SNIP]
    great fan of metric, but the French are certainly not going to agree
    to use anything else in /their/ components, and at least using metric
    will make the entire mission doesn't just die on reaching its
    destination.

    Are you aware just how few countries choose to not use the metric system?

    I'll help you, it's three: Liberia, Myanmar, and the USA.

    I wouldn't like being lumped in with Myanmar...

    Perhaps that is a sign of hope for Myanmar, who can say?

    And French domination of how things are measured is ... meaningless.

    Literally. I may not be a fan of metric, but I don't run screaming
    from the room when I encounter it either.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Mon Aug 26 09:15:20 2024
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    The Boeing spacesuit is made to work with the Starliner spacecraft,
    and the SpaceX spacesuit is made to work with the Dragon spacecraft,
    NASA told Fox News Digital. =93Both were designed to fit each unique >>>spacecraft.

    Oops. I suspect that SpaceX will send up a couple of new space suits on=20 >>>the next supply spaceship.

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went from the >American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the adaptor >ring to connect the two capsules). I am surprised this is not a solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    Also, there is a difference between two gummint agencies that are
    cooperating with each other (ie, sharing data and, I suspect,
    equipment samples) and two private firms competing with each other.

    OTOH, if they were paid enough, I'm sure the companies involved could
    come up with something.

    See, /this/ is why the ISO exists.

    The ISO isn't really all that useful in the real world, partly because they >promote standards without reference to how systems are used in the real world >and partly because they charge money for the standards meaning small >organizations are strongly discouraged from following new ISO standards that >are not already in common use.

    That's why the standards a project I am involved in worked from free
    drafts of the new C++ standard way back when. Some of the requirements
    were incomprehensible; figuring out what (IIRC) supporting multitasking/multithreading OS capabilities meant for our DOS
    compilers was merely a puzzle. Not that we every solved it, but some
    puzzles are more fun unsolved.

    The whole upside-down-wedding cake of networking protocols looked great but >didn't map in practice to what people were really using, and when tcp/ip took >over the world it was like a steamroller over top of the ISO.

    My point, however, that real-world effective standardization of (say)
    space suit couplings would have been most helpful at the present
    moment, still stands.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Mon Aug 26 16:34:21 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:


    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went from = >the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules). I am surprised this is not a =
    solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Tue Aug 27 09:26:14 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:36:25 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2024 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:


    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went
    from =
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >>>> adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules).  I am surprised this is not a =
    solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz.

    Don't forget the 14,000 soviet nuclear weapons.  Thousands of the
    battlefield nuclear weapons are being distributed to the Russian troops
    right now.  The Ukranian advance is 300 miles inside Russia and they are
    not going to burn Moscow this time.

    While even one nuke in a Western City would be Very Bad News, its
    legitimate to wonder how many Soviet nuclear bombs are operational.

    American nukes, and presumably Soviet/Russian ones, have the inital
    fission element include a neutron generator as part of the ignition.
    This uses some isotopes of relatively short half-lifes, such as tritium, >which gives the bombs a limited shelf life before they need to be >refurbished.

    This is true, and I think I should repeat something I have pointed out
    before:

    just because Putin let his Army and Navy decline doesn't mean he let
    his Strategic Missile Forces do the same

    And I agree with others that we really don't want to find out.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 27 09:30:47 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:34:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:


    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went from = >>the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >>adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules). I am surprised this is not a = >>solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz.

    They may use them (and lose them) but do they understand them well
    enough to pair their spacecraft with ours?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to lynnmcguire5@gmail.com on Tue Aug 27 09:28:47 2024
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:33:53 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2024 5:15 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 8/26/2024 4:36 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>>>>>

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went >>>>>>>> from =
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >>>>>>> adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules).  I am surprised this is not a = >>>>>>> solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz. >>>>>
    Don't forget the 14,000 soviet nuclear weapons.  Thousands of the
    battlefield nuclear weapons are being distributed to the Russian
    troops right now.  The Ukranian advance is 300 miles inside Russia and >>>>> they are not going to burn Moscow this time.

    While even one nuke in a Western City would be Very Bad News, its
    legitimate to wonder how many Soviet nuclear bombs are operational.

    American nukes, and presumably Soviet/Russian ones, have the inital
    fission element include a neutron generator as part of the ignition.
    This uses some isotopes of relatively short half-lifes, such as tritium, >>>> which gives the bombs a limited shelf life before they need to be
    refurbished.

    pt

    I suggest that we do not want to find out as apparently several are
    targeted for Berlin and a few other German cities. I am not sure if
    London is targeted.

    Apparently? Not Sure? or baseless speculation.

    “WW3 WATCH: As Traditional Strategic Nuclear Deterrence Wears Off,
    Russian Doctrine Threshold Gets Lowered and Navy Trains for Preemptive >Tactical Nuke Attacks”


    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/ww3-watch-as-traditional-strategic-nuclear-deterrence-wears/

    “Add to that the fact that Moscow’s ‘red lines’ have been breached one
    after another – as I write Ukraine is striking Russian territory with
    NATO weapons like there’s no tomorrow – and we can see how the situation
    has impossibly escalated.”

    “It now has arisen that Russia has trained its navy to target sites deep >inside Europe with nuclear-capable missiles in a potential – by now >virtually certain – conflict with Nato”

    “Moscow had rehearsed using tactical nuclear weapons in the early stages
    of a conflict with a major world power, […] planning for a series of >overwhelming strikes across western Europe.”

    “You read it right – EARLY STAGES: not using strikes as a last measure,
    but as an early salvo.”

    I do not know what the leaders of NATO are thinking but I hope that they
    die in the first salvo of the CANNED SUNSHINE.

    There's nothing really new here.

    This was the Soviet strategy for conquering Europe in the 70s/80s:
    first whack the heck of them with nukes and then move right in.

    The REFORGER depots (remember them?) were prime targets.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Scott Lurndal@21:1/5 to Paul S Person on Tue Aug 27 17:40:50 2024
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 16:34:21 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
    wrote:

    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:


    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went =
    from =3D
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the =3D >>>adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules). I am surprised this is not a =3D >>>solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz.

    They may use them (and lose them) but do they understand them well
    enough to pair their spacecraft with ours?

    They routinely dock with the international space station, so the
    answer is yes.

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to rja.carnegie@gmail.com on Wed Aug 28 08:54:05 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:44:46 +0100, Robert Carnegie
    <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 27/08/2024 17:26, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:36:25 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2024 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>>>>

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went >>>>>>> from =
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >>>>>> adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules).  I am surprised this is not a = >>>>>> solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz.

    Don't forget the 14,000 soviet nuclear weapons.  Thousands of the
    battlefield nuclear weapons are being distributed to the Russian troops >>>> right now.  The Ukranian advance is 300 miles inside Russia and they are >>>> not going to burn Moscow this time.

    While even one nuke in a Western City would be Very Bad News, its
    legitimate to wonder how many Soviet nuclear bombs are operational.

    American nukes, and presumably Soviet/Russian ones, have the inital
    fission element include a neutron generator as part of the ignition.
    This uses some isotopes of relatively short half-lifes, such as tritium, >>> which gives the bombs a limited shelf life before they need to be
    refurbished.

    This is true, and I think I should repeat something I have pointed out
    before:

    just because Putin let his Army and Navy decline doesn't mean he let
    his Strategic Missile Forces do the same

    And I agree with others that we really don't want to find out.

    Submit, then.

    I don't think so. Putin's may or may not work, but I suspect ours do,
    and Putin knows it. He can't save Holy Mother Russia by provoking us
    to retaliate, and he won't rule anything then either.

    He's limited by his non-military background and KGB
    training/experience. Plus any physical deterioration and/or mental
    decline from the last several years.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 29 09:02:52 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:40:58 -0400, Kevrob <kjrobinson@mail.com>
    wrote:

    On 8/27/2024 12:28 PM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 18:33:53 -0500, Lynn McGuire
    <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2024 5:15 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> writes:
    On 8/26/2024 4:36 PM, Cryptoengineer wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>>>>>>>

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went >>>>>>>>>> from =
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the =
    adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules).  I am surprised this is not a = >>>>>>>>> solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has >>>>>>>> destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era. >>>>>>>>
    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz. >>>>>>>
    Don't forget the 14,000 soviet nuclear weapons.  Thousands of the >>>>>>> battlefield nuclear weapons are being distributed to the Russian >>>>>>> troops right now.  The Ukranian advance is 300 miles inside Russia and >>>>>>> they are not going to burn Moscow this time.

    While even one nuke in a Western City would be Very Bad News, its
    legitimate to wonder how many Soviet nuclear bombs are operational. >>>>>>
    American nukes, and presumably Soviet/Russian ones, have the inital >>>>>> fission element include a neutron generator as part of the ignition. >>>>>> This uses some isotopes of relatively short half-lifes, such as tritium, >>>>>> which gives the bombs a limited shelf life before they need to be
    refurbished.

    pt

    I suggest that we do not want to find out as apparently several are
    targeted for Berlin and a few other German cities. I am not sure if >>>>> London is targeted.

    Apparently? Not Sure? or baseless speculation.

    “WW3 WATCH: As Traditional Strategic Nuclear Deterrence Wears Off,
    Russian Doctrine Threshold Gets Lowered and Navy Trains for Preemptive
    Tactical Nuke Attacks”


    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/ww3-watch-as-traditional-strategic-nuclear-deterrence-wears/

    “Add to that the fact that Moscow’s ‘red lines’ have been breached one
    after another – as I write Ukraine is striking Russian territory with
    NATO weapons like there’s no tomorrow – and we can see how the situation >>> has impossibly escalated.”

    “It now has arisen that Russia has trained its navy to target sites deep >>> inside Europe with nuclear-capable missiles in a potential – by now
    virtually certain – conflict with Nato”

    “Moscow had rehearsed using tactical nuclear weapons in the early stages >>> of a conflict with a major world power, […] planning for a series of
    overwhelming strikes across western Europe.”

    “You read it right – EARLY STAGES: not using strikes as a last measure,
    but as an early salvo.”

    I do not know what the leaders of NATO are thinking but I hope that they >>> die in the first salvo of the CANNED SUNSHINE.

    There's nothing really new here.

    This was the Soviet strategy for conquering Europe in the 70s/80s:
    first whack the heck of them with nukes and then move right in.

    The REFORGER depots (remember them?) were prime targets.


    This all reminds me of Hackett's _Third World War_ and Clancy's
    _ Red Storm Rising_.

    https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/articles/hackett-third-world-war/

    That was pretty much common knowledge among those interested
    (professionally or otherwise) in the topic.

    They never tried it. Perhaps they wondered the same thing NATO did:
    how an army of draftees whose /entire political indoctrination/ was
    that they were being trained and stationed out of the USSR to /defend
    against a NATO attack/ would react if told to attack rather than
    defend.

    Not to mention how the same draftees, given how they were treated,
    might behave if actually given ammunition for their weapons: attack
    NATO or shoot all the officers/NCOs they could find and head back
    home?

    Something it is just as well we never found out.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to petertrei@gmail.com on Thu Aug 29 09:07:00 2024
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 12:28:41 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/28/2024 11:54 AM, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 01:44:46 +0100, Robert Carnegie
    <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 27/08/2024 17:26, Paul S Person wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Aug 2024 17:36:25 -0400, Cryptoengineer
    <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 8/26/2024 2:49 PM, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/26/2024 11:34 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
    Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
    On 25 Aug 2024 15:22:34 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: >>>>>>>>

    For Apollo-Soyuz, the Soviets made up some adaptor boxes that went >>>>>>>>> from =
    the
    American space suit connections to the Russian ones (as well as the = >>>>>>>> adaptor
    ring to connect the two capsules).  I am surprised this is not a = >>>>>>>> solution.

    Sadly, the Soviets (and their technology) are long gone.

    I beg to differ - Soviet technology is still here. Ukraine has
    destroyed 3336 tanks so far, most of those from the soviet era.

    The still use Soviet Soyuz boosters.

    One might note that Putin desires the return of the Sovyetky Soyuz. >>>>>>
    Don't forget the 14,000 soviet nuclear weapons.  Thousands of the
    battlefield nuclear weapons are being distributed to the Russian troops >>>>>> right now.  The Ukranian advance is 300 miles inside Russia and they are >>>>>> not going to burn Moscow this time.

    While even one nuke in a Western City would be Very Bad News, its
    legitimate to wonder how many Soviet nuclear bombs are operational.

    American nukes, and presumably Soviet/Russian ones, have the inital
    fission element include a neutron generator as part of the ignition. >>>>> This uses some isotopes of relatively short half-lifes, such as tritium, >>>>> which gives the bombs a limited shelf life before they need to be
    refurbished.

    This is true, and I think I should repeat something I have pointed out >>>> before:

    just because Putin let his Army and Navy decline doesn't mean he let
    his Strategic Missile Forces do the same

    And I agree with others that we really don't want to find out.

    Submit, then.

    I don't think so. Putin's may or may not work, but I suspect ours do,
    and Putin knows it. He can't save Holy Mother Russia by provoking us
    to retaliate, and he won't rule anything then either.

    He's limited by his non-military background and KGB
    training/experience. Plus any physical deterioration and/or mental
    decline from the last several years.

    Today (Wednesday the 28th) I'm seeing numerous credible sources
    reporting that Russia is 'adjusting' its nuclear doctrine.

    What too, I'm not sure. To what extent this is just more sabre
    rattling, I'm not sure either.

    IIR their previous doctrine correctly, I am surprised Kiev wasn't
    nuked the moment the first boot touched the ground in undisputedly
    Russian territory. Wasn't that supposed to be the final red line?
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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  • From Paul S Person@21:1/5 to michael.stemper@gmail.com on Mon Sep 2 08:55:20 2024
    On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 07:57:48 -0500, "Michael F. Stemper" <michael.stemper@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 01/09/2024 20.39, Lynn McGuire wrote:
    On 8/30/2024 4:38 PM, D wrote:


    On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

    On 8/29/2024 11:01 AM, Jaimie Vandenbergh wrote:
    On 28 Aug 2024 at 12:51:29 BST, "Graham" <zotzlists@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On 28/08/2024 06:01, Titus G wrote:
    On 27/08/24 22:10, Graham wrote:


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    I'll take the bait. Please explain your signature.

    Nothing exciting, I'm afraid. 80 characters.

    Should be 72, Shirley?

         Cheers - Jaime

    I have written a quarter of a million (SWAG) lines of Fortran in my lifetime. If I never write another line I will be happy.  But I will write more Fortran next Tuesday.  Converting it all to C++ cannot come soon enough.

    Lynn


    Ahh... but isn't it true that C++ is only for nerds? All the cool kids write rust these days!

    Converting Fortran or C++ to Rust is non trivial.  I have actually considered it.  Shoot, converting Fortran to C++ is non trivial.

    I would guess that a straight translation of Fortran to C++ could be >automated. However, there doesn't seem to be any point in it unless
    you're going to make use of the object-oriented capabilities of C++.
    Then, of course, you're looking at a complete refactoring, which would, >indeed, be non-trivial.

    If (this is purely hypothetical) you are moving to a C++ compiler that
    has no corresponding FORTRAN compiler, then converting FORTRAN to C++
    would make a /lot/ of sense.

    As to the object-oriented capabilities of C++, don't tell anyone, but
    it is perfectly possible to write C++ code that is little more than "C
    plus classes" (and, of course, enums that are types and a few other advantages). You don't actually have to do heavy-duty OOP to use C++.
    --
    "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
    Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
    Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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