In article <vaq77g$roc$1@reader1.panix.com>,
James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

You find yourself inextricably drawn to this article--will it
mention your favorite example? You must know!

https://reactormag.com/you-may-enjoy-this-list-of-books-written-in-the-second-person/

I am tolerant of all manner of narrative tricksiness but this is where
I draw the line. I've never read any of these books, and if I somehow
picked one up, I would not last more than a page before throwing it at
the wall.

-GAWollman

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James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

You find yourself inextricably drawn to this article--will it
mention your favorite example? You must know!

https://reactormag.com/you-may-enjoy-this-list-of-books-written-in-the-second-person/

This little one has read 2/4 listed, but has read most of the others mentioned in the
reader responses (_Molly Zero_ did become tiring after a while).

Via "Second-person narrative: a bibliography", is it the earliest SFnal example? Ralph Milne Farley's _The House of Ecstacy_ (1938), which starts,

'This actually happened to you. And when I say "you", I mean you - now reading these very words.
For I know something about you - something deeply personal - something which, however, I am afraid
that you have forgotten.' Only a short story but.

Cheers, David Duffy.

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On 30/08/24 04:22, James Nicoll wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

You find yourself inextricably drawn to this article--will it
mention your favorite example? You must know!

https://reactormag.com/you-may-enjoy-this-list-of-books-written-in-the-second-person/

I awarded Gideon the Ninth just one star so won't be reading a sequel,
the Stross was OK with three stars and Raven Tower was another brilliant
Leckie with four stars.

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On 30/08/2024 04:41, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 8/29/2024 11:22 AM, James Nicoll wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

You find yourself inextricably drawn to this article--will it
mention your favorite example? You must know!

https://reactormag.com/you-may-enjoy-this-list-of-books-written-in-the-second-person/

Zero for five.  Second person sucks.

I am not surprised that Ann Leckie is on that list, her books are
written weird.

And her short stories - particularly the ones outside the Raadchai
universe - are even more brilliantly weird!

I doubt you would like them.

Cheers,
Gary B-)

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 8/30/2024 7:00 AM, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:

On 30/08/2024 04:41, Lynn McGuire wrote:

On 8/29/2024 11:22 AM, James Nicoll wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

You find yourself inextricably drawn to this article--will it
mention your favorite example? You must know!

https://reactormag.com/you-may-enjoy-this-list-of-books-written-in-
the-second-person/

Zero for five.  Second person sucks.

I am not surprised that Ann Leckie is on that list, her books are written >>> weird.

And her short stories - particularly the ones outside the Raadchai universe >> - are even more brilliantly weird!

I doubt you would like them.

    Cheers,
        Gary    B-)

I have over 500 books in my SBR. The wife has ordered a cease buying but I am ... ignoring ... her at the moment. And then there is all the rereads. I have more than enough books to keep me going. And many of them are weird.

Lynn

Good to hear that I am not alone. The wife here has also ordered a cease buying, but I'm very good at ignoring it too! I just fear that she will
throw away some gems when I'm on business trips. =/

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:28:38 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

I have over 500 books in my SBR. The wife has ordered a cease buying
but I am ... ignoring ... her at the moment. And then there is all the >rereads. I have more than enough books to keep me going. And many of
them are weird.

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly
stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

(Amazingly my cousin HAS gone through much of it and gifted me a
folder containing my father's high school records from the late 40s /
early 50s)

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On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 10:03:19 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 13:28:38 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

I have over 500 books in my SBR. The wife has ordered a cease buying
but I am ... ignoring ... her at the moment. And then there is all the >>rereads. I have more than enough books to keep me going. And many of >>them are weird.

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly
stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up
with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the
grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

Ah ... the long-lost Days of My Youth!

(Amazingly my cousin HAS gone through much of it and gifted me a
folder containing my father's high school records from the late 40s /
early 50s)

--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:58:10 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly >>stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up
with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the >grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

If by 'holes' ;you mean roughly 1" x 3" with rounded ends -
essentially handles where you put your fingers in then yes.

(I've been looking on Google Images and not finding them but finding
wooden boxes with similar hand holes)

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On 9/3/2024 2:52 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:58:10 -0700, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly
stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up
with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the
grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

If by 'holes' ;you mean roughly 1" x 3" with rounded ends -
essentially handles where you put your fingers in then yes.

(I've been looking on Google Images and not finding them but finding
wooden boxes with similar hand holes)

Produce boxes would have found them I think.

https://www.buffalovalleyproduce.com/images/227_BVBOX.jpg

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On Tue, 03 Sep 2024 12:52:12 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:58:10 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly >>>stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up
with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the >>grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

If by 'holes' ;you mean roughly 1" x 3" with rounded ends -
essentially handles where you put your fingers in then yes.

These were in two parts, a top and a bottom. You put the entire top
over the entire bottom. So, in a sense, the top could be called a
"lid".

IIRC, they had three holes in each long side. This was for
ventilation, presumably. I don't recall any on the ends, but they may
well have had what you describe above. The problem here is that a
/lot/ of cardboard boxes for electronic gear have the same sort of
handles, so I am familiar with them but not necessarily from the apple
boxes.

These were (IIRC) used to move apples from Eastern Washington (where,
thanks to the Grand Coulee Dam and resulting irrigation system, they
could be grown in large numbers) to Western Washington (where the bulk
of the people were and still are).

Keep in mind that this was back in the 50s and 60s, when many things
were different, possibly including how fruit is packed and shipped to
stores. And when it is picked: the ventilation could have been as much
to ripen it a bit before purchase as anything else.

When we had a small house fire in 1983 and had to purchase boxes to
pack stuff up for storage while repairs were done, Mom found the idea
of /buying/ boxes to be absurd. After all, she had always gotten them
for free.

(I've been looking on Google Images and not finding them but finding
wooden boxes with similar hand holes)

Bing showed lots of cardboard boxes, but none like those I am
describing here.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:36:46 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
<morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

On 9/3/2024 2:52 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:58:10 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly
stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7'
or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up
with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the
grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

If by 'holes' ;you mean roughly 1" x 3" with rounded ends -
essentially handles where you put your fingers in then yes.

(I've been looking on Google Images and not finding them but finding
wooden boxes with similar hand holes)

Produce boxes would have found them I think.

https://www.buffalovalleyproduce.com/images/227_BVBOX.jpg

Closer, but not what we had way back when.

The top here doesn't extend all the way down the lower half of the
box.

And the holes in the sides aren't round.

Apparently, the ones I remember have gone, if not the Way of the Dodo,
then the Way of the Buggy Whip.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On 9/5/24 08:43, Paul S Person wrote:

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:36:46 -0500, "Jay E. Morris"
<morrisj@epsilon3.comcon> wrote:

On 9/3/2024 2:52 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:

On Mon, 02 Sep 2024 08:58:10 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

You still have a long way to go to beat my late aunt - my cousin
showed me her collection and it was 2 whole barns worth (yep!) mostly >>>>> stored in those 18" x 24" apple boxes. (Each row was stacked some 7' >>>>> or so high)

Are those the heavy cardboard boxes with holes in the sides? I grew up >>>> with those boxes -- whenever we needed boxes, my Mom would go talk the >>>> grocery store manager and bring a few of those home.

If by 'holes' ;you mean roughly 1" x 3" with rounded ends -
essentially handles where you put your fingers in then yes.

(I've been looking on Google Images and not finding them but finding
wooden boxes with similar hand holes)

Produce boxes would have found them I think.

https://www.buffalovalleyproduce.com/images/227_BVBOX.jpg

Closer, but not what we had way back when.

The top here doesn't extend all the way down the lower half of the
box.

And the holes in the sides aren't round.

Apparently, the ones I remember have gone, if not the Way of the Dodo,
then the Way of the Buggy Whip.

Back in the 1960s I had a fair amount of wooden produce boxes in which I stacked my mostly paperback libaries. Pretentions of gentility
lead to book cases which overflowed by the 1980s. Wish the wooden boxes
had not been discarded, though I still have a couple full of paperback
books around. Computer stacked on top of one or more.

bliss

--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com

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James Nicoll wrote:

You May Enjoy This List of Books Written in the Second Person

Having played many text-adventure games (and wrote one) I am familiar
with the narrative style. I have not read any of those books though.


Brian

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On Thu, 05 Sep 2024 08:43:48 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

https://www.buffalovalleyproduce.com/images/227_BVBOX.jpg

Closer, but not what we had way back when.

The top here doesn't extend all the way down the lower half of the
box.

And the holes in the sides aren't round.

That's similar to what we had though the holes were on the ends, they
were horizontal not vertical and there was typically no lid - the
short ends of the boxes were strong enough to (a) allow stacking and
(b) allow the fruit to get air.

Alas the fruit producers coop seems to have been sold to a US
mega-conglomerate who closed down the company leaving quite a few
orchardists either bankrupt or close to it due to non-payment for
fruit already delivered to the new owners of the coop.

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On Tue, 10 Sep 2024 17:35:09 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

On Thu, 05 Sep 2024 08:43:48 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

https://www.buffalovalleyproduce.com/images/227_BVBOX.jpg

Closer, but not what we had way back when.

The top here doesn't extend all the way down the lower half of the
box.

And the holes in the sides aren't round.

That's similar to what we had though the holes were on the ends, they
were horizontal not vertical and there was typically no lid - the
short ends of the boxes were strong enough to (a) allow stacking and
(b) allow the fruit to get air.

Alas the fruit producers coop seems to have been sold to a US >mega-conglomerate who closed down the company leaving quite a few
orchardists either bankrupt or close to it due to non-payment for
fruit already delivered to the new owners of the coop.

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me.
--
"Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,
Who evil spoke of everyone but God,
Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"

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On Wed, 11 Sep 2024 08:17:24 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:

Alas the fruit producers coop seems to have been sold to a US >>mega-conglomerate who closed down the company leaving quite a few >>orchardists either bankrupt or close to it due to non-payment for
fruit already delivered to the new owners of the coop.

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen to me.

Perhaps but given Canadian growers, US mega-conglomerate we're likely
going to see the latter trying to financially exhaust the former.

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