I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American
Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley
and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South
Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes
up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in
New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com
Do they mention if Florida is gone?
In article <varj6s$c1sq$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American
Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley
and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South
Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes
up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in
New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
--
b l i s s - S F 4 e v e r at D S L E x t r e m e dot com
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American
Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley >> and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South
Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes
up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in
New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is
that underwater ?
Lynn
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is
that underwater ?
On 8/30/24 06:03, James Nicoll wrote:
Do they mention if Florida is gone?
The novel has a map as I recall.
On 8/30/24 11:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Maybe an island or washed away or the underlying geological have
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American
Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley >>> and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South
Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes
up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in
New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is
that underwater ?
Lynn
collapsed. but the Florida peninsula is gone on the map.
In article <vat874$kerq$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 11:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Maybe an island or washed away or the underlying geological have
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American >>>> Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley
and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South >>>> Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes >>>> up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in >>>> New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is
that underwater ?
Lynn
collapsed. but the Florida peninsula is gone on the map.
There's rolling hills in Hernando county as well...
The description puts me in the mind of a certain Costner movie...
On 8/30/24 18:49, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vat874$kerq$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 11:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:Maybe an island or washed away or the underlying geological have
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American >>>>> Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the Central Valley
and San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South >>>>> Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes >>>>> up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in >>>>> New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is >>>> that underwater ?
Lynn
collapsed. but the Florida peninsula is gone on the map.
There's rolling hills in Hernando county as well...
The description puts me in the mind of a certain Costner movie...
Well in this novel there is plenty of land but a lot of
productive land has been lost with the loss of the Southern mid-west.
a great big gulf where New Orleans used to be shortens the Mississippi
and some of its tributary rivers run right into that gulf.
The old USA is broken into self-interested small nations.
Except for the West Coast which has been reclaimed by Mexico. The
author may have taken some liberties in disregarding the elevations
of certain portions of the nation but it was a good read at the time.
And is pretty hard science that there is no way to defend the land
from the rising water. Exactly how fast it will happen is the main
dispute. I live in California where we have earthquakes and
Trying to think of other SF examples of sea rise, but all that's
coming to mind (other than the sinking of Atlantis) right now is
the XKCD "Time" sequence.
In article <vaubfv$srme$2@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 18:49, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:Central Valley
In article <vat874$kerq$1@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 11:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
On 8/29/2024 11:52 PM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American >>>>>> Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
The Big Bay* is in Central California. I.e. the
Maybe an island or washed away or the underlying geological haveand San Joaquin Valley are flooded. Only the high points of
the San Francisco Bay Area remain above water.
A Free Southern State exists with a quarantine zone in South >>>>>> Carolina. Florida is gone. New Orleans is gone.
A Mexican Protectorate extends past San Francisco and takes >>>>>> up the Southern-Most tier of Western states.
The narrator of the tale of the female protagonist lives in >>>>>> New Anchorage, Alaska where they might see frost on the
windows in January, but it never snows. Alaska is a Neutral
State
` The author is one Omar El Akkad.
The ACW II takes place from 2074-2095 caused by the
Southern states unwillingness to abide by the ban on
Fossil Fuels finally enacted. Florida is gone.
A girl's father is murdered and a thirst for revenge
grows within her as the War goes on. Horrendous acts
are done on each side and the protagonist does the
final horrendous act of the War, which kills the last
of her relatives but not intentionally.
It could be sub-titled Fall of the American Empire!
bliss
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is >>>>> that underwater ?
Lynn
collapsed. but the Florida peninsula is gone on the map.
There's rolling hills in Hernando county as well...
The description puts me in the mind of a certain Costner movie...
Well in this novel there is plenty of land but a lot of
productive land has been lost with the loss of the Southern mid-west.
a great big gulf where New Orleans used to be shortens the Mississippi
and some of its tributary rivers run right into that gulf.
The old USA is broken into self-interested small nations.
Except for the West Coast which has been reclaimed by Mexico. The
author may have taken some liberties in disregarding the elevations
of certain portions of the nation but it was a good read at the time.
And is pretty hard science that there is no way to defend the land
from the rising water. Exactly how fast it will happen is the main
dispute. I live in California where we have earthquakes and
The Dutch might dispute that..
Not sure this one would be for me, sounds a bit too bleak.
Trying to think of other SF examples of sea rise, but all that's coming
to mind (other than the sinking of Atlantis) right now is the XKCD "Time" >sequence.
On 8/30/24 11:30, Lynn McGuire wrote:
Maybe an island or washed away or the underlying geological have
Tallahassee, Florida (the panhandle) is 203 feet above sea level. Is
that underwater ?
collapsed. but the Florida peninsula is gone on the map.
In the case of a return-to-Cretaceous scenario twenty meters could be
added, but there would be a lag of some thousands of years before the
warmer temperatures affected the deep ocean.
Plausibility is nice, but not required for a good story. "The Great
Nebraska Sea" is totally implausible but enjoyable.
On 31/08/2024 07:18, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vaubfv$srme$2@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 18:49, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> And is pretty hard
science that there is no way to defend the land
from the rising water. Exactly how fast it will happen is the main
dispute. I live in California where we have earthquakes and
The Dutch might dispute that..
Let's table that point. On the other hand: Venice.
Not sure this one would be for me, sounds a bit too bleak.
Trying to think of other SF examples of sea rise, but all that's coming
to mind (other than the sinking of Atlantis) right now is the XKCD "Time"
sequence.
John Wyndham, _The Kraken Wakes_ (sea people are angry)
Stephen Baxter, _Flood_, _Ark_ (similar)
J. G. Ballard, _The Drowned World_ (1962)
Richard Jefferies, _After London_ (1885)
Ken McLeod, _The Cassini Division_, I think contains
a scene, which certainly is in something, of flying
above London and observing a line of little points
sticking just above the water level. This is the top
of the Thames Flood Barrier. <https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational-images/thames-flood-barrier-woolwich-10386>
I think the sea had risen in the film of
_Johnny Mnemonic_. It definitely had in
Stephen Spielberg's _A.I._. And on a lesser
scale in _Evan Almighty_.
I read this in May of 2017
"American War"- set in a future of Global Warming and post American
Civil War II. No Florida and the Southern Coast is depleted.
On 31/08/2024 16.17, Robert Carnegie wrote:
On 31/08/2024 07:18, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vaubfv$srme$2@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 18:49, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> And is pretty hard science that there is no way to defend the land
from the rising water. Exactly how fast it will happen is the main
dispute. I live in California where we have earthquakes and
The Dutch might dispute that..
Let's table that point. On the other hand: Venice.
Not sure this one would be for me, sounds a bit too bleak.
Trying to think of other SF examples of sea rise, but all that's coming
to mind (other than the sinking of Atlantis) right now is the XKCD "Time" >>> sequence.
John Wyndham, _The Kraken Wakes_ (sea people are angry)
Stephen Baxter, _Flood_, _Ark_ (similar)
I seem to recall that the Gulf of Mexico went way up the Mississippi in WJW's >_The Rift_. But, that might have been due to an earthquake rather than melt.
On 31/08/2024 07:18, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
In article <vaubfv$srme$2@dont-email.me>,
Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
On 8/30/24 18:49, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote: >> And is pretty hard
science that there is no way to defend the land
from the rising water. Exactly how fast it will happen is the main
dispute. I live in California where we have earthquakes and
The Dutch might dispute that..
Let's table that point. On the other hand: Venice.
Not sure this one would be for me, sounds a bit too bleak.
Trying to think of other SF examples of sea rise, but all that's coming
to mind (other than the sinking of Atlantis) right now is the XKCD "Time"
sequence.
John Wyndham, _The Kraken Wakes_ (sea people are angry)
Stephen Baxter, _Flood_, _Ark_ (similar)
J. G. Ballard, _The Drowned World_ (1962)
Richard Jefferies, _After London_ (1885)
Ken McLeod, _The Cassini Division_, I think contains
a scene, which certainly is in something, of flying
above London and observing a line of little points
sticking just above the water level. This is the top
of the Thames Flood Barrier. <https://historicengland.org.uk/services-skills/education/educational- images/thames-flood-barrier-woolwich-10386>
I think the sea had risen in the film of
_Johnny Mnemonic_. It definitely had in
Stephen Spielberg's _A.I._. And on a lesser
scale in _Evan Almighty_
I remember Jack Kirby's take on Earth: After Disaster -
"Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth."
The Great Lakes will have merged and Hudson's Bay gets surrounded by land.
On 9/3/2024 3:56 PM, The Horny Goat wrote:
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 11:17:02 -0400, Kevrob <kjrobinson@mail.com> wrote:
I remember Jack Kirby's take on Earth: After Disaster -
"Kamandi, the Last Boy on Earth."
The Great Lakes will have merged and Hudson's Bay gets surrounded by land.
I'm going to have to look that one up since if Erie and Ontario merge that's a major event (not to mention Superior which is 150-200 meters further above see level) since those two are connected by Niagara
Falls (which is about a 75 meter difference between top and bottom)
I did look it up.
If all ice melted, the Great Lakes would not be affected. Sea level
would rise about 230 feet, but Lake Ontario is at 246 feet, and is
the lowest.
I'm going to have to look that one up since if Erie and Ontario mergeThe other lakes are all about 100m above Ontario, with Superior the
that's a major event (not to mention Superior which is 150-200 meters
further above see level) since those two are connected by Niagara
Falls (which is about a 75 meter difference between top and bottom)
highest by a few meters.
To join them all sea level would have to rise by the equivalent of
melting three and a half to four times as much ice as exists on earth.
So you need massive subsidence in which case there's no point in
worrying about survivors.
We toured the Canada plant just last summer - super interesting.
Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
We toured the Canada plant just last summer - super interesting.
I have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn
down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the
American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour
where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't
answer any questions.
To join them all sea level would have to rise by the equivalent of
melting three and a half to four times as much ice as exists on earth.
So you need massive subsidence in which case there's no point in
worrying about survivors.
Let's face it that would mean one helluva lot of hydroelectric
potential - even putting turbines under Niagara Falls (which is less
than 200' high) could generate a lot of power.
Not just "could" ... it actually does!
Canada side: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Adam_Beck_Hydroelectric_Generating_Stations
US side:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses_Niagara_Power_Plant
We toured the Canada plant just last summer - super interesting.
I have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the >>American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get
hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under theI have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>> visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>> actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn
down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin
effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the
American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour
where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't
answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get
hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be
fatal) and no guards.
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under theI have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>>visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>>actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>>down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>>effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the >>>American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>>where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>>answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get
hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be
fatal) and no guards.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:15:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person >><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'I have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>>>visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>>>actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>>>down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>>>effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the >>>>American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>>>where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>>>answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get >>>hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:15:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under theI have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>>>> visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>>>> actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>>>> down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>>>> effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the
American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>>>> where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>>>> answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get
hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be
fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
"Think of it as evolution in action!"
That's a quote, but I can'st remember from where (or who).
On 9/16/2024 8:27 PM, Don_from_AZ wrote:
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:15:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person
<psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>> Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'I have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I
visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the
actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>>>> down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>>>> effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the >>>>> American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>>>> where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>>>> answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get >>>> hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>> fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
"Think of it as evolution in action!"
That's a quote, but I can'st remember from where (or who).
A Niven collaboration involving an arcology IIRC.
Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> writes:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 12:15:31 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2024 08:31:03 -0700, Paul S Person >>><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>>Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'I have to admit that I was disappointed in the tour. When I was a kid I >>>>>visited the plant on the American side and they let you walk down on the >>>>>actual floor and see operating equipment... they had one generator torn >>>>>down and you could see how the brushes were honeycombed to reduce skin >>>>>effect. (at 60 Hz!) It was very, very cool. Forty years later the >>>>>American side was totally locked down and the Canadian plant had a tour >>>>>where you could look through a window and talk to someone who couldn't >>>>>answer any questions.
"But the kids are much less likely to run into the equipment and get >>>>hurt."
Just one possible excuse for the change.
"Makes sabotage harder" would be another.
Ah! The 50's!
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>>fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
"Think of it as evolution in action!"
That's a quote, but I can'st remember from where (or who).
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the
Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be
fatal) and no guards.
Almost like they expect people to have common sense and a sense of >self-preservation! Well! The joke's on them!
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>>>Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15' >>>>in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you >>>>from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>>>fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
"Think of it as evolution in action!"
That's a quote, but I can'st remember from where (or who).
Yes, I guess that /would/ qualify for a Darwin Award.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 08:47:20 -0700, Paul S Person ><psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
To me the most amazing thing about the Falls are the tunnels under the >>>Falls on the Canadian side. There's even a hallway (roughly 15' x 15'
in size) where there's only a small standard railing preventing you
from running out into the midst of the Falls (which would obviously be >>>fatal) and no guards.
Well, I suppose that's one way to weed out the more daring children.
I walked up to the railing (about 15' from the Falls) and was amazed
they let me get that close. It's a VERY strange feeling not at all
like the fences and flower pots along the Niagara River Parkway.
(I just looked at Google Maps and was surprised to find that on the
road map, though the Niagara river was well marked, the actual
location of the falls was not - good thing I remembered Goat Island!)
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