• Tom Dooley had it coming.

    From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.co on Wed Sep 25 02:19:31 2024
    In article <vccfkf$3ki1t$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Oh and I nearly left out Folk Music but it is full of bad
    choices that some other possibly fictional character made. "Bow
    down your head, Tom Duley, poor boy about to die", just off
    top of my head.

    That song always bugged me. The song seems to be asking us to
    feel sorry for Tom "Yah, I knifed the b****. And I'd have got
    away with it, too, if it weren't for that SOB Grayson." Dooley.

    Nope. Tom Dooley is a definite "Needs Killin'" character.
    After, of course, a fair trial, guilty verdict, and a long
    trip at the end of a short rope.

    (I gather the song's based on a real case, and the real Tom
    Duley may have been innocent. The one in the song, however,
    admits and brags about his guilt. Not too different, perhaps,
    from the Lizzie "40 whacks" Borden case; the real Elizabeth
    Borden was almost certainly innocent. And was acquitted in
    court, but not in popular song.)

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  • From Titus G@21:1/5 to Mike Van Pelt on Wed Sep 25 17:00:58 2024
    On 25/09/24 14:19, Mike Van Pelt wrote:
    In article <vccfkf$3ki1t$1@dont-email.me>,
    Bobbie Sellers <blissInSanFrancisco@mouse-potato.com> wrote:
    Oh and I nearly left out Folk Music but it is full of bad
    choices that some other possibly fictional character made. "Bow
    down your head, Tom Duley, poor boy about to die", just off
    top of my head.

    That song always bugged me. The song seems to be asking us to
    feel sorry for Tom "Yah, I knifed the b****. And I'd have got
    away with it, too, if it weren't for that SOB Grayson." Dooley.

    Nope. Tom Dooley is a definite "Needs Killin'" character.
    After, of course, a fair trial, guilty verdict, and a long
    trip at the end of a short rope.

    (I gather the song's based on a real case, and the real Tom
    Duley may have been innocent. The one in the song, however,
    admits and brags about his guilt. Not too different, perhaps,
    from the Lizzie "40 whacks" Borden case; the real Elizabeth
    Borden was almost certainly innocent. And was acquitted in
    court, but not in popular song.)


    I thought it was shame rather than sorrow for Tom, eg Hang down your
    head. (in shame.) Long before I was interested in popular music, an
    older brother drenched my poor ears with the Kingston Trio.

    From Song Facts. Because it is quite short I have included it all. (https://www.songfacts.com/facts/the-kingston-trio/tom-dooley)
    "The first hit for the Kingston Trio, this song is about Tom Dula
    (pronounced Dooley) who was a real person. He was a gifted fiddle player
    and enjoyed the company of ladies. During the Civil War he served the Confederacy as a musician and was captured near the end of the war and
    held as a prisoner of war. After he was released he returned to his life
    and his relationship with Ann Melton and other women including Ann's
    cousin Laura Foster. On the day that he and Laura were to be married she disappeared and was found weeks later in a shallow grave. She had been
    stabbed in the heart. Tom knew that it was known he was the last known
    person to see her alive so he fled the county and went to work for
    Colonel James Grayson on his farm in a nearby county. Dula stayed long
    enough to earn money for a pair of boots and then left for Tennessee
    where the posse with assistance from Colonel Grayson found him. He was
    taken back to North Carolina and was represented by ex-Governor of North Carolina Zebulon Vance. After a much publicized trial and appeal he was
    found guilty and hanged in Statesville North Carolina. The graves of
    Laura and Ann are visited each year by a number of tourists. Tom's grave
    is on private property and is not open to the public. The "Tom Dooley"
    museum is located in Ferguson North Carolina. The reason for the murder
    is not known but it appears he may have killed her because of
    contracting a venereal disease from her."

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  • From Mike Van Pelt@21:1/5 to noone@nowhere.com on Wed Sep 25 21:08:51 2024
    In article <vd05ea$3i6jo$1@dont-email.me>, Titus G <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >From Song Facts. Because it is quite short I have included it all.
    ...
    The reason for the murder is not known but it appears he may
    have killed her because of contracting a venereal disease
    from her."

    Ah. That seems more definite than the version I read
    a number of years ago that I only vaguely remember.

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