• RIP Holly Lisle

    From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 19 03:16:10 2024
    My sister just informed me that Holly Lisle passed away in August,
    something I was very saddened to hear.

    I met her at a Lois McMaster Bujold book signing at a "Waldenbooks"
    in Fayetteville NC. She and her then husband were part of an
    enthusiastic group talking back and forth with Bujold, and I gradully
    came to understand all of them were in a local SF writers' workshop
    that Holly led, "Schroedinger's Petshop". I came away from the
    signing with an invitation to their next meeting which, after some
    hesitation as I am not much of a group-er, I attended.

    I ended up becoming a full member and enjoying the weekly critique
    sessions which Holly chairman-ed, and came to understand the greatest
    sin in such settings was "fielding", attempting to defend your work
    against every criticism rather than just noting what was not working
    for others about your piece and taking it to heart.

    Shortly after I joined, Holly broke into publication with _Fire In
    The Mist_, and was making regular sales thereafter. She was a
    meticulous background background detail-er, keeping notebooks of
    maps, history and character studies for all her settings, and at
    the time she was throwing off ideas faster than she could write
    them up. In particular, she had an idea for a North Carolina series
    (we were all in North Carolina) involving demons from Hell being
    given a second chance (due to a prayer from a pure soul) to make
    good on Earth, and in particular in North Carolina. Her plan was
    to write the first book, and plot the rest with those of us in the
    group, with other members doing most of the writing for the follow-ups.
    This was the "Devil's Point" series, and I had the great privilege
    to be chosen for the third book, _Hell On High_.

    I had written the final pages for *a* book after seeing the background
    and the fact that it would not be a completely happy ending, and
    the fact that I wanted to write about spaceships made it into the
    actual book, but as I recall the plotting session which went well
    into the morning at her Laurinburg home, it frankly consisted mostly
    of Holly saying "How about this?" and me saying "Yeah, that would
    be great!".

    In the middle of writing _Hell On High_, I moved to South Carolina,
    and Holly moved to Florida, and apart from finishing the book, and
    doing some revisions for the indie publication after the rights
    reverted to us, we gradually drifted apart. Frankly I was probably
    a bit embarrassed that after the book was published, my company
    started me on a series of death marches, and I basically stopped
    writing entirely.

    My sister, who is still an active writer, followed Holly's blog and
    noticed that it was no longer being updated, and searching the
    Internet found that Holly had recently passed, something I was very
    saddened to hear. I owe Holly for opening a fondly remembered chapter
    in my life, for her encouragement, and for her believing I could
    actually sit down and write a decent book.

    RIP

    Ted Nolan
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  • From Ahasuerus@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 19 21:05:57 2024
    On 9/18/2024 11:16 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    My sister just informed me that Holly Lisle passed away in August,
    something I was very saddened to hear.

    I met her at a Lois McMaster Bujold book signing at a "Waldenbooks"
    in Fayetteville NC. She and her then husband were part of an
    enthusiastic group talking back and forth with Bujold, and I gradully
    came to understand all of them were in a local SF writers' workshop
    that Holly led, "Schroedinger's Petshop". I came away from the
    signing with an invitation to their next meeting which, after some
    hesitation as I am not much of a group-er, I attended.

    I ended up becoming a full member and enjoying the weekly critique
    sessions which Holly chairman-ed, and came to understand the greatest
    sin in such settings was "fielding", attempting to defend your work
    against every criticism rather than just noting what was not working
    for others about your piece and taking it to heart.

    Shortly after I joined, Holly broke into publication with _Fire In
    The Mist_, and was making regular sales thereafter. She was a
    meticulous background background detail-er, keeping notebooks of
    maps, history and character studies for all her settings, and at
    the time she was throwing off ideas faster than she could write
    them up. In particular, she had an idea for a North Carolina series
    (we were all in North Carolina) involving demons from Hell being
    given a second chance (due to a prayer from a pure soul) to make
    good on Earth, and in particular in North Carolina. Her plan was
    to write the first book, and plot the rest with those of us in the
    group, with other members doing most of the writing for the follow-ups.
    This was the "Devil's Point" series, and I had the great privilege
    to be chosen for the third book, _Hell On High_.

    I had written the final pages for *a* book after seeing the background
    and the fact that it would not be a completely happy ending, and
    the fact that I wanted to write about spaceships made it into the
    actual book, but as I recall the plotting session which went well
    into the morning at her Laurinburg home, it frankly consisted mostly
    of Holly saying "How about this?" and me saying "Yeah, that would
    be great!".

    In the middle of writing _Hell On High_, I moved to South Carolina,
    and Holly moved to Florida, and apart from finishing the book, and
    doing some revisions for the indie publication after the rights
    reverted to us, we gradually drifted apart. Frankly I was probably
    a bit embarrassed that after the book was published, my company
    started me on a series of death marches, and I basically stopped
    writing entirely.

    My sister, who is still an active writer, followed Holly's blog and
    noticed that it was no longer being updated, and searching the
    Internet found that Holly had recently passed, something I was very
    saddened to hear. I owe Holly for opening a fondly remembered chapter
    in my life, for her encouragement, and for her believing I could
    actually sit down and write a decent book.

    RIP

    Ted Nolan

    Sorry to hear about her passing!

    I didn't realize that she wrote paranormal suspense in the mid-2000s and
    that it was later republished as by "Kate Aeon". I have added the
    missing titles to her ISFDB bibliography.

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  • From Jaimie Vandenbergh@21:1/5 to tednolan on Fri Sep 20 23:05:27 2024
    On 19 Sep 2024 at 04:16:10 BST, "Ted Nolan <tednolan>" <Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>> wrote:

    I owe Holly for opening a fondly remembered chapter
    in my life, for her encouragement, and for her believing I could
    actually sit down and write a decent book.

    Ah, that's very sad. Thank you for the history, and I'm also glad she
    helped push you into doing that - it *is* a decent book!

    Cheers - Jaimie
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    "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we
    grow old because we stop playing"
    -- George Bernard Shaw

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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to jaimie@usually.sessile.org on Sat Sep 21 02:49:56 2024
    In article <ll6ddnFi5g8U1@mid.individual.net>,
    Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@usually.sessile.org> wrote:
    On 19 Sep 2024 at 04:16:10 BST, "Ted Nolan <tednolan>" <Ted Nolan
    <tednolan>> wrote:

    I owe Holly for opening a fondly remembered chapter
    in my life, for her encouragement, and for her believing I could
    actually sit down and write a decent book.

    Ah, that's very sad. Thank you for the history, and I'm also glad she
    helped push you into doing that - it *is* a decent book!


    Thanks!
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  • From Ted Nolan @21:1/5 to tnusenet17@gmail.com on Wed Sep 25 01:51:35 2024
    In article <vcvaaj$3bgdq$1@dont-email.me>,
    Tony Nance <tnusenet17@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 9/18/24 11:16 PM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
    My sister just informed me that Holly Lisle passed away in August,
    something I was very saddened to hear.

    I met her at a Lois McMaster Bujold book signing at a "Waldenbooks"
    in Fayetteville NC. She and her then husband were part of an
    enthusiastic group talking back and forth with Bujold, and I gradully
    came to understand all of them were in a local SF writers' workshop
    that Holly led, "Schroedinger's Petshop". I came away from the
    signing with an invitation to their next meeting which, after some
    hesitation as I am not much of a group-er, I attended.

    I ended up becoming a full member and enjoying the weekly critique
    sessions which Holly chairman-ed, and came to understand the greatest
    sin in such settings was "fielding", attempting to defend your work
    against every criticism rather than just noting what was not working
    for others about your piece and taking it to heart.

    Shortly after I joined, Holly broke into publication with _Fire In
    The Mist_, and was making regular sales thereafter. She was a
    meticulous background background detail-er, keeping notebooks of
    maps, history and character studies for all her settings, and at
    the time she was throwing off ideas faster than she could write
    them up. In particular, she had an idea for a North Carolina series
    (we were all in North Carolina) involving demons from Hell being
    given a second chance (due to a prayer from a pure soul) to make
    good on Earth, and in particular in North Carolina. Her plan was
    to write the first book, and plot the rest with those of us in the
    group, with other members doing most of the writing for the follow-ups.
    This was the "Devil's Point" series, and I had the great privilege
    to be chosen for the third book, _Hell On High_.

    I had written the final pages for *a* book after seeing the background
    and the fact that it would not be a completely happy ending, and
    the fact that I wanted to write about spaceships made it into the
    actual book, but as I recall the plotting session which went well
    into the morning at her Laurinburg home, it frankly consisted mostly
    of Holly saying "How about this?" and me saying "Yeah, that would
    be great!".

    In the middle of writing _Hell On High_, I moved to South Carolina,
    and Holly moved to Florida, and apart from finishing the book, and
    doing some revisions for the indie publication after the rights
    reverted to us, we gradually drifted apart. Frankly I was probably
    a bit embarrassed that after the book was published, my company
    started me on a series of death marches, and I basically stopped
    writing entirely.

    My sister, who is still an active writer, followed Holly's blog and
    noticed that it was no longer being updated, and searching the
    Internet found that Holly had recently passed, something I was very
    saddened to hear. I owe Holly for opening a fondly remembered chapter
    in my life, for her encouragement, and for her believing I could
    actually sit down and write a decent book.

    RIP

    Ted Nolan


    Aw bummer - sad to hear of her passing, and sad for your loss as well.

    But thank you for the info and background about how it all came about. I >truly did enjoy Hell on High, so much that I sought out the others in
    that linked series.

    Tony


    Thank you. There was to have been at least one more, from the man
    who was at the time her husband (I believe you can guess what
    happened to that one).
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